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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. New Cracks Found In Spillway. Built On Unstable Rock

 
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Did you see this? It was published several months ago but I missed it.

Will Oroville Spillway Gates Fail in Heavy Flows? Design Flaws & Fixes Risk Gate Binding?

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Thus, a frozen Radial Gate Failure condition could lead to scouring erosion of the cobble rock inlet apron as it drops below the 830 foot cutoff elevation. Erosion turbulence of the Spillway inlet lip could begin a penetrating erosion at a deeper level to the foundation to the headworks. If any scouring erosion reaches any sections of the now known "highly weathered rock" or "highly erodible rock", a piping channel may develop to the other side of the headworks. Then the risk of a "v" breach would develop. If the turbulent erosive flow continues, the "v" breach could enlarge to the point of compromising the headworks and possibly beneath or adjacent to the upper main spillway. At this point, it becomes a condition of where it is described as "loss of crest control".

But read the whole thing. Those gates are 50 year old trouble waiting to happen. Really good article.

This below is an older interview with Scott Cahill. Same thing. They did a great job on the new lower spillway...but ignored the huge risk up top at the gates. Misplaced priority in rebuilding. Listen to the whole thing, it is excellent.

Pray for a dry winter.

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We're currently almost 200' below the 901 mark, yet they never did drain in below the 653 to fix the "spring" leak in the wall.
I've no concerns about them even having to use the gates this year, but it doesn't mean I feel any better about the dam wall and that corner.
I am beginning to think that whole thing last year really was a gold heist. At the same time, an "earthen" dam doesn't last forever, no matter what spillways and gates you throw in it.

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Oroville Update Phase 1 DONE!!


Stop the deception, tell the truth, be set free.
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It would seem to me that if they truly cared they would have cemented the inlet structure to prevent erosion and a possible breech if a gate failed in the open position.

So yes, one wonders what is really going on here.
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We're currently almost 200' below the 901 mark, yet they never did drain in below the 653 to fix the "spring" leak in the wall.
I've no concerns about them even having to use the gates this year, but it doesn't mean I feel any better about the dam wall and that corner.
I am beginning to think that whole thing last year really was a gold heist. At the same time, an "earthen" dam doesn't last forever, no matter what spillways and gates you throw in it.
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NOW YER TALKIN...IT'S AT 691.10...THEY'VE GOT IT UPTO 44OO CFS AND NEGETIVE INFLOW FOR THE LAST 5 HOURS..


THEY WORKED ON THE WRONG END...SO TH EGREEN SPLOOG ESPOT IS THAT LOW...WOW..WAS 901.5 ISH RIGHT...

SO...210 PLUS FEET DOWN...NEAR TWO THIRDS EMPTY...
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Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. New Cracks Found In Spillway. Built On Unstable Rock
Oroville Dam ready to withstand winter rains as first phase of repairs is finished, officials say.

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Article says the repair job by Kiewit will cost at least 500 million and probably will exceed that amount.





November 1st was the deadline date.
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UH...NO...IT UH..STILL HAS THE 'GREEN SPOT'...WHERE IT WILL BREACH...WHICH IS WHY THEY R STILL CRANKING IT OUT..AHEAD OF THE RAINS...ILL BET THEY TRY TO KEEP IT GOING DOWN WHILE IT RAINS TOO...THEY JUST FIXED A SPILLWAY...DAT'S IT!!
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Oroville Dam ready to withstand winter rains as first phase of repairs is finished, officials say.

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Article says the repair job by Kiewit will cost at least 500 million and probably will exceed that amount.





November 1st was the deadline date.
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UH...NO...IT UH..STILL HAS THE 'GREEN SPOT'...WHERE IT WILL BREACH...WHICH IS WHY THEY R STILL CRANKING IT OUT..AHEAD OF THE RAINS...ILL BET THEY TRY TO KEEP IT GOING DOWN WHILE IT RAINS TOO...THEY JUST FIXED A SPILLWAY...DAT'S IT!!
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The green spot was determined to be due to rainfall.

The worrying thing is the emergency spillway is now built way better than the dam itself should the big earthquake hit.
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We're currently almost 200' below the 901 mark, yet they never did drain in below the 653 to fix the "spring" leak in the wall.
I've no concerns about them even having to use the gates this year, but it doesn't mean I feel any better about the dam wall and that corner.
I am beginning to think that whole thing last year really was a gold heist. At the same time, an "earthen" dam doesn't last forever, no matter what spillways and gates you throw in it.
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SPRING LEAK OR DAM LEAK OR JUST GRASS GROWING???

I DONT THINK THEY WILL GET DOWN THERE TO FIX IT!
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We're currently almost 200' below the 901 mark, yet they never did drain in below the 653 to fix the "spring" leak in the wall.
I've no concerns about them even having to use the gates this year, but it doesn't mean I feel any better about the dam wall and that corner.
I am beginning to think that whole thing last year really was a gold heist. At the same time, an "earthen" dam doesn't last forever, no matter what spillways and gates you throw in it.
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SPRING LEAK OR DAM LEAK OR JUST GRASS GROWING???

I DONT THINK THEY WILL GET DOWN THERE TO FIX IT!
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Well, they said it was a "natural spring", however Cahill and others said-- na-ugh... plus that far wall side on the other side of spillway.
It's an Earthen Dam, over 50 years old. Needs to be retired, will not withstand any substantial quake (some think that 2.4 the day b4 had an impact). Perhaps they are just trying to buy time to reorganize the "Water Project". It would take billions and billions to divert all those 9 upper dams somewhere else, all that stuff.
I think they've just agreed to sink 500 mil in for "looks" and to stabilize best they can and move on, deal with the breach when it happens someday.

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We're currently almost 200' below the 901 mark, yet they never did drain in below the 653 to fix the "spring" leak in the wall.
I've no concerns about them even having to use the gates this year, but it doesn't mean I feel any better about the dam wall and that corner.
I am beginning to think that whole thing last year really was a gold heist. At the same time, an "earthen" dam doesn't last forever, no matter what spillways and gates you throw in it.
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SPRING LEAK OR DAM LEAK OR JUST GRASS GROWING???

I DONT THINK THEY WILL GET DOWN THERE TO FIX IT!
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Why would you fix something that's due to rainwater?
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SHEET..THIS THING IS LIKE 70 YEARS OR MORE OLDER!

GOV. BROWN FAMILY...DO DO DO DO DO DO DO DO ....THEY BUILT IT...
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IT IS OFFICIALLY AT 33 % OF CAPACITY!

55% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE!

THE DAILY CHART HAS ALL THE OTHERS WAY HIGH AND % OF CAPACITY IS ALL OBOVE100%..WELL ABOVE!

THIS DAMMED DAM ...IS DAMMED...BROKEN FROM THE GATES ON DOWN...AND THEY KEEP DRAINING IN...WHY?
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Current levels for anyone not having link.
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Current levels for anyone not having link.
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THANKS..I KEEP GOIN BACK TO P969
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689.92

IT IS OFFICIALLY AT 33 % OF CAPACITY!

55% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE!

THE DAILY CHART HAS ALL THE OTHERS WAY HIGH AND % OF CAPACITY IS ALL OBOVE100%..WELL ABOVE!

THIS DAMMED DAM ...IS DAMMED...BROKEN FROM THE GATES ON DOWN...AND THEY KEEP DRAINING IN...WHY?
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Looks like the Sierra's from about Oroville down to about Lake Tahoe seem to be the bullseye. Looks like areas in the coast near the CalifornMeanwhile Southern California Oregon border as well as the Sierra's down to Yosemite will be hit hard too. Meanwhile Southern California, Southern Nevada, and Arizona look to remain dry as a bone. Looks like their doing everything to make sure the dam in Oroville breaks flooding out everything downstream from it which likely include Sacramento. Not only that but due to all the fires there will likely be massive landslides if Northern California sees another really wet winter. All this while keeping much needed rain away from Southern California, Southern Nevada, and Arizona and keeping them in a severe and prolonged drought.
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Looks like the Sierra's from about Oroville down to about Lake Tahoe seem to be the bullseye. Looks like areas in the coast near the CalifornMeanwhile Southern California Oregon border as well as the Sierra's down to Yosemite will be hit hard too. Meanwhile Southern California, Southern Nevada, and Arizona look to remain dry as a bone. Looks like their doing everything to make sure the dam in Oroville breaks flooding out everything downstream from it which likely include Sacramento. Not only that but due to all the fires there will likely be massive landslides if Northern California sees another really wet winter. All this while keeping much needed rain away from Southern California, Southern Nevada, and Arizona and keeping them in a severe and prolonged drought.
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Exactly.
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Oroville Update Phase 1 DONE!!


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Cost 650 million, probably more!
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This doom is STILL GLP effected?
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UPDATE.....689.52...

AFTER THE RAIN EVENT THEY ARE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS...

LOWER NOW THAN WHEN IT WENT UP B 4 THE RAINS..BACK TO RECORD LOWS AGAIN.....!!

33% OF CAPACITY AND DROPPING

55% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE...GO SEE THE CHART AND COMPARE IT TO THE OTHERS....!!
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UPDATE.....689.52...

AFTER THE RAIN EVENT THEY ARE RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT WAS...

LOWER NOW THAN WHEN IT WENT UP B 4 THE RAINS..BACK TO RECORD LOWS AGAIN.....!!

33% OF CAPACITY AND DROPPING

55% OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE...GO SEE THE CHART AND COMPARE IT TO THE OTHERS....!!
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You should see the beautiful storm lineup in the next 16 days.
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The reserves behind oroville are pretty much at capacity? ... any link for a graphic of surrounding infrastructure levels? Will be a lot channeled towards oroville with everyone else doing a massive dump upstream during a storm?
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The reserves behind oroville are pretty much at capacity? ... any link for a graphic of surrounding infrastructure levels? Will be a lot channeled towards oroville with everyone else doing a massive dump upstream during a storm?
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Great question. Hopefully someone can answer that fully.
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The reserves behind oroville are pretty much at capacity? ... any link for a graphic of surrounding infrastructure levels? Will be a lot channeled towards oroville with everyone else doing a massive dump upstream during a storm?
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689.46..IT HAS BEEN FLAT ....ALMOST NOTHING IN OR OUT TO MOVE THE LEVEL...INFLOW 3600

OUT FLOW 3600...

WOW...THE RAINS START IN A DAY OR SO....
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raining yet?
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Current levels for anyone not having link.
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THANKS..I KEEP GOIN BACK TO P969
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And further chart/info - My fav anyways:

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raining yet?
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IT RAINED AND THE LEVEL IS UP TO 693 ISH...RIVERS WERE CRANKIN...