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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. New Spillway May Be Used Soon

 
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CAP'N DO YOU SUPPOSE IT WILL BLOW OUT AT THE GREEN ACRE ON THE FACE OF THAT DAMNED DAM?

OR DO YOU SUPPOSE THE GATES WILL FAIL?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77223081


I think the green spot will blow out someday, but the current issue is the spillway gates.

They rebuilt the whole spillway, but the gates are still fucked up. The bottom of the intake to the gates is at 813', but they won't try to use it until 830-840'.

What happens if the gates jam or tweak when they try to open them?
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OK..WE HAVE THIS DATA...AND THE WET SPOT IS AS LOW AS 795 ON SOME PHOTOS...?..RIGHT? MAYBE EVEN LOWER?...! NEED TO RE-CHECK AND SEE...OR LOOK NOW AT THE THING REAL CLOSE..GO OUT THERE AND SEE SOME GREEN OR 'DARK' PATCHES OR SPOTS!!
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whats up with the fucking CAPS??? DRAMA QUEEN or what
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How big is the wet spot?
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CAP'N DO YOU SUPPOSE IT WILL BLOW OUT AT THE GREEN ACRE ON THE FACE OF THAT DAMNED DAM?

OR DO YOU SUPPOSE THE GATES WILL FAIL?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77223081


I think the green spot will blow out someday, but the current issue is the spillway gates.

They rebuilt the whole spillway, but the gates are still fucked up. The bottom of the intake to the gates is at 813', but they won't try to use it until 830-840'.

What happens if the gates jam or tweak when they try to open them?
 Quoting: Crunch62


OK..WE HAVE THIS DATA...AND THE WET SPOT IS AS LOW AS 795 ON SOME PHOTOS...?..RIGHT? MAYBE EVEN LOWER?...! NEED TO RE-CHECK AND SEE...OR LOOK NOW AT THE THING REAL CLOSE..GO OUT THERE AND SEE SOME GREEN OR 'DARK' PATCHES OR SPOTS!!
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whats up with the fucking CAPS??? DRAMA QUEEN or what
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I have a brilliant idea!

angryface Why don't you shut your fkn face!
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I think the green spot will blow out someday, but the current issue is the spillway gates.

They rebuilt the whole spillway, but the gates are still fucked up. The bottom of the intake to the gates is at 813', but they won't try to use it until 830-840'.

What happens if the gates jam or tweak when they try to open them?
 Quoting: Crunch62


OK..WE HAVE THIS DATA...AND THE WET SPOT IS AS LOW AS 795 ON SOME PHOTOS...?..RIGHT? MAYBE EVEN LOWER?...! NEED TO RE-CHECK AND SEE...OR LOOK NOW AT THE THING REAL CLOSE..GO OUT THERE AND SEE SOME GREEN OR 'DARK' PATCHES OR SPOTS!!
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whats up with the fucking CAPS??? DRAMA QUEEN or what
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76335807

LOL Only after you tongue the corn out of my ass...buttercup

I have a brilliant idea!

angryface Why don't you shut your fkn face!
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The repair work done so far is temporary. It is supposed to be torn out and replaced with new permanent spillways and fix the gates after this wet season. If you look close you can see that the roller compacted material is not holding up very well.
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are you serious? I read it cost a billion dollars so far.
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[link to www.catholic.org (secure)]

This is an exceptionally great investigative article about the gates. If you only read one thing on this thread, read this.

If you have any extra time, read the one on the green spot, below. And by the way did you know that supposedly there are no functioning piezometers on the entire dam? They can't check water pressure and flow.

[link to www.catholic.org (secure)]

The new spillway is beautiful. But read these articles and ask yourself if that means the risk of a dam failure is mitigated.
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You all really really really need to read these articles on the gates and the green spot.
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This is an exceptionally great investigative article about the gates. If you only read one thing on this thread, read this.

If you have any extra time, read the one on the green spot, below. And by the way did you know that supposedly there are no functioning piezometers on the entire dam? They can't check water pressure and flow.

[link to www.catholic.org (secure)]

The new spillway is beautiful. But read these articles and ask yourself if that means the risk of a dam failure is mitigated.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


You all really really really need to read these articles on the gates and the green spot.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


waaaht
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Why are they still only letting out only 6700 cfs. Thats like one turbine. Juan makes no mention of this and nothing but silence on the local media. Juan talks about opening the spillway though.
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Oroville will be getting hammered all this week, time for the spillway. [link to www.actionnewsnow.com (secure)]
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Camera off line
Water level up to 808
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How much CFS can the new spillway take ? 3X would be ?

I forgot the numbers from the spillway before it crumbled last time.

When is 840' predicted ?
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A free and open society is the cornerstone of freedom.

Service not available...
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[link to www.catholic.org (secure)]

This is an exceptionally great investigative article about the gates. If you only read one thing on this thread, read this.

If you have any extra time, read the one on the green spot, below. And by the way did you know that supposedly there are no functioning piezometers on the entire dam? They can't check water pressure and flow.

[link to www.catholic.org (secure)]

The new spillway is beautiful. But read these articles and ask yourself if that means the risk of a dam failure is mitigated.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


You all really really really need to read these articles on the gates and the green spot.
 Quoting: Prayandprepare000


waaaht
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77223081


SO, WHAT'S GOIN ON...?..WE GOT ACTION OR WHUT!?....THE SAN LUIS IS AT 99+% NO DOUBT!

....WE GOT A BABY OROVILLE THREAD TRYIN TA GROW...SO B NICE 2 IT!....
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72998710


TOP ONE WOIKS FINE...WE R GONNA B OVER 811 AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR!
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02/28/2019 20:00

Elevation 798.99
Inflow 30,824
Outflow 1,584
 Quoting: Crunch62


THIS IS NEARLY "PRECISE": IT HAS RISEN 9 FEET IN 66 HRS
 Quoting: UH 71124740


IT IS AVERAGING 3 FEET EVERY 22 HOURS...FOR AT LEAST THE PAST 4 DAYS....!
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Elevation 798.99
Inflow 30,824
Outflow 1,584
 Quoting: Crunch62


THIS IS NEARLY "PRECISE": IT HAS RISEN 9 FEET IN 66 HRS
 Quoting: UH 71124740


IT IS AVERAGING 3 FEET EVERY 22 HOURS...FOR AT LEAST THE PAST 4 DAYS....!
 Quoting: UH 42156718


SO WE'LL NEED ABOUT A WEEK TO HIT THE MAGICAL NUMERALS?!?
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NEW DATA SHOON....LOOK AT SAN LUIS...GETTIN THERE...!
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TOP ONE WOIKS FINE...WE R GONNA B OVER 811 AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR!
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Not for me.
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TOP ONE WOIKS FINE...WE R GONNA B OVER 811 AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR!
 Quoting: UH 42156718


Not for me.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger



FEET STORAGE
AF OUTFLOW
CFS INFLOW
CFS RIV REL
CFS RAIN
INCHES BAT VOL
VOLTS
03/04/2019 05:00 809.86 2,304,976 4,380 23,331 4,982 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 06:00 810.01 2,306,730 4,365 24,086 4,981 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 07:00 810.15 2,308,367 4,373 25,049 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 08:00 810.30 2,310,122 4,356 24,979 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 09:00 810.43 2,311,644 4,367 24,234 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 10:00 810.58 2,313,401 4,372 22,752 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 11:00 810.70 2,314,808 4,379 22,687 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 12:00 810.84 2,316,449 4,374 24,380 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 13:00 810.96 2,317,856 4,372 23,627 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 14:00 811.10 2,319,499 4,391 22,143 4,986 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 15:00 811.20 2,320,673 4,334 21,337 4,947 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 16:00 811.32 2,322,082 5,386 20,772 4,966 35.24 13.4
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Right now, as of noon PST today, the lake level is at 810.84 feet, just 2.7 feet from the spillway gates, and rising 2-3 feet daily. At that rate, it will only be less than a day before the new billion-dollar spillway can be used/tested. DWR says there is an 813.6 foot threshold for use, and that is indicated by the orange line in the graph above. . .

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Oroville Dam/Lake data for last week as of 8 AM times (ending 8 am March 3, 2019)
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Water Level has increased by 29.95' over the last week
Water Stored has increased by 321,645 Acre Feet over the last week

3/3/19 @ 8 am local time - 807.24 .... IN 21,569/cfs .. OUT .. 6,777/cfs (stored 2,274,498)
3/2/19 @ 8 am local time - 804.41 .... IN 23,499/cfs .. OUT .. 6,778/cfs
3/1/19 @ 8 am local time - 801.14 .... IN 26,619/cfs .. OUT .. 2,576/cfs
2/28/19 @ 8 am local time - 796.47 ... IN 32,371/cfs .. OUT .. 1,428/cfs
2/27/19 @ 8 am local time - 790.13 ... IN 41,476/cfs .. OUT .. unreported (1,450 estimated)
2/26/19 @ 8 am local time - 783.03 ... IN 38.538/cfs .. OUT .. unreported (1.450 estimated)
2/25/19 @ 8 am local time - 779.25 ... IN 9.077/cfs .. OUT .. 1,030/cfs
2/24/19 @ 8 am local time - 777.95 ... IN 7,744/cfs .. OUT .. 1,195/cfs (stored 1,952,853 AF)
 Quoting: Midwest Skeptic


Current data as of 3/4/2019 @ 4 pm local time

811.32' level ... IN .. 20,772/cfs.. OUT 5,386/cfs (stored 2,322,082)

Level is UP 4.08 feet since 8 am Sunday morning
Storage is UP 47,584 Acre Feet since 8 am Sunday morning
(lake goes up about 1 foot per 11,900+- AF of water added to storage)

Based upon past behavior by the CA DWR they probably will allow the lake to steadily climb up to the 840 to 850 level before they really crank up the release rate.

At present the Oroville Lake is BELOW the level that they want to end the season at, so they do have storage room, AND presently they are trying to minimize flooding downstream from the recent rain runoff (which is already causing flooding).

As shown by the dynamics of 2017 the risk if HEAVY RAIN moisture hitting the watershed in later march, which then not only generates RAIN runoff but also generates MELT runoff. LOTS of snow now on the ground in the watershed area, with more expected.

Risky Dam
Risky Spillway

If I was downstream of this dam I would be seriously thinking of moving out in a couple of weeks for about 6 weeks once the lake hits the 850 level IF the future weather prognosis is for MORE RAIN/Snow later in March and extending into April
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How much CFS can the new spillway take ? 3X would be ?

I forgot the numbers from the spillway before it crumbled last time.

When is 840' predicted ?
 Quoting: panther0621


I think over 200K.
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TOP ONE WOIKS FINE...WE R GONNA B OVER 811 AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR!
 Quoting: UH 42156718


Not for me.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger



FEET STORAGE
AF OUTFLOW
CFS INFLOW
CFS RIV REL
CFS RAIN
INCHES BAT VOL
VOLTS
03/04/2019 05:00 809.86 2,304,976 4,380 23,331 4,982 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 06:00 810.01 2,306,730 4,365 24,086 4,981 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 07:00 810.15 2,308,367 4,373 25,049 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 08:00 810.30 2,310,122 4,356 24,979 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 09:00 810.43 2,311,644 4,367 24,234 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 10:00 810.58 2,313,401 4,372 22,752 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 11:00 810.70 2,314,808 4,379 22,687 4,969 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 12:00 810.84 2,316,449 4,374 24,380 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 13:00 810.96 2,317,856 4,372 23,627 4,968 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 14:00 811.10 2,319,499 4,391 22,143 4,986 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 15:00 811.20 2,320,673 4,334 21,337 4,947 35.24 13.4
03/04/2019 16:00 811.32 2,322,082 5,386 20,772 4,966 35.24 13.4
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Cheers Buddy
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Right now, as of noon PST today, the lake level is at 810.84 feet, just 2.7 feet from the spillway gates, and rising 2-3 feet daily. At that rate, it will only be less than a day before the new billion-dollar spillway can be used/tested. DWR says there is an 813.6 foot threshold for use, and that is indicated by the orange line in the graph above. . .

More info, pics, data
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75545597


I think they are over simplifying 813.6 level.

DWR have always stated they can't use spillway with less than around 830 level because of the threat of scouring the channel behind the gates which could be very serious.

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Right now, as of noon PST today, the lake level is at 810.84 feet, just 2.7 feet from the spillway gates, and rising 2-3 feet daily. At that rate, it will only be less than a day before the new billion-dollar spillway can be used/tested. DWR says there is an 813.6 foot threshold for use, and that is indicated by the orange line in the graph above. . .

More info, pics, data
[link to wattsupwiththat.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75545597


I think they are over simplifying 813.6 level.

DWR have always stated they can't use spillway with less than around 830 level because of the threat of scouring the channel behind the gates which could be very serious.
 Quoting: mon KeyHanger


Truth. The intake channel is unlined. One might think that they would have used this opportunity to rectify that issue.

At any rate, the lake level will be at 813' in a few hours.
What the Hell?...
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How much CFS can the new spillway take ? 3X would be ?

I forgot the numbers from the spillway before it crumbled last time.

When is 840' predicted ?
 Quoting: panther0621


I think over 200K.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Thanks GeoMS. So in theory they could lower the lake 18 or 19 ft in an hour at that rate right ? As long as the gates themselves hold up, I think everything will be alright.

However I am still glad I am not downstream of a dam of that scale and history of issues.
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How much CFS can the new spillway take ? 3X would be ?

I forgot the numbers from the spillway before it crumbled last time.

When is 840' predicted ?
 Quoting: panther0621


I think over 200K.
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Thanks GeoMS. So in theory they could lower the lake 18 or 19 ft in an hour at that rate right ? As long as the gates themselves hold up, I think everything will be alright.

However I am still glad I am not downstream of a dam of that scale and history of issues.
 Quoting: panther0621


Yeah most likely.
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Up to 813 ft
Should start to get interesting in a day or two
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Gate leak check!
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Shasta is already full and spewing 30,000 cfs..wonder when they are going to open the top gates again?