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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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quote, Just heard on kfbk radio (local). The new spillway has 7 feet minimum concrete up to 100 feet thick in areas where the bedrock was eroded...

quote, Just heard on kfbk radio (local). The new spillway has 7 feet minimum concrete up to 100 feet thick in areas where the bedrock was eroded...

They only used concrete on the top, all the build up and all the emergency spill area is rolled fly ash paste. Rolled fly ash has a history of not being stable or able to stand strong water flow, a history of failures. The fly ash work was meant to be replaced over the next several years.

Also, looks like there is a green spot on both sides of the dam, maybe all the way across now?
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quote, Just heard on kfbk radio (local). The new spillway has 7 feet minimum concrete up to 100 feet thick in areas where the bedrock was eroded...

quote, Just heard on kfbk radio (local). The new spillway has 7 feet minimum concrete up to 100 feet thick in areas where the bedrock was eroded...

They only used concrete on the top, all the build up and all the emergency spill area is rolled fly ash paste. Rolled fly ash has a history of not being stable or able to stand strong water flow, a history of failures. The fly ash work was meant to be replaced over the next several years.

Also, looks like there is a green spot on both sides of the dam, maybe all the way across now?
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That green spot doesn't really seem to be indicative of leaking during the winter. It rained lots, so everything is green. Wait till the summer and if there's a green spot, you know there's water feeding that grass.
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the biggest issue i can see is that they haven't given
this this thing enough time to Cure, before running
it at full throttle.
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We are patrolling Oro Dam Blvd east, due to increased traffic.

And no, no one is allowed to surf on the spillway 🌊🏄‍♂️🏄‍&#979​2;️
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UPDATE: As of 10 AM this morning, flows down the main spillway have increased to 14,800 cubic feet per second (cfs). Total releases to the Feather River will remain at approximately 25,000 cfs through Sunday.
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the biggest issue i can see is that they haven't given
this this thing enough time to Cure, before running
it at full throttle.
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Exactly. 30 days per inch of concrete.

Any additive to accelerate curing weakens the concrete.

So it's either still wet or cured but at expense of strength of concrete.
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the biggest issue i can see is that they haven't given
this this thing enough time to Cure, before running
it at full throttle.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


Exactly. 30 days per inch of concrete.

Any additive to accelerate curing weakens the concrete.

So it's either still wet or cured but at expense of strength of concrete.
 Quoting: Nonentity


This is true. I used to be a concrete contractor.

If this shit show continues its regularly scheduled programming, we'll witness an epic collapse of this dam.

Unfortunately, the Central Valley which is the richest agricultural region on the planet will be ruined forever.
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the biggest issue i can see is that they haven't given
this this thing enough time to Cure, before running
it at full throttle.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


Exactly. 30 days per inch of concrete.

Any additive to accelerate curing weakens the concrete.

So it's either still wet or cured but at expense of strength of concrete.
 Quoting: Nonentity


This is true. I used to be a concrete contractor.

If this shit show continues its regularly scheduled programming, we'll witness an epic collapse of this dam.

Unfortunately, the Central Valley which is the richest agricultural region on the planet will be ruined forever.
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All of you are correct,been in the trades for 35 years. Concrete is a fickle bitch! Depends how far they had to haul it also,can't let concrete heat up,lot of variables. But as much canned fruit as you can afford.
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[link to www.timebomb2000.com] Post #7290

There's an earthquake fault running right through Lake Oroville from south to north. It's called the Miner's Ranch fault. It was discovered long after the dam was built by Beale Air Force pilots. If you dont have anything else to do, here's the study from 2010 by South Feather River Water and Power. Oroville gets their drinking water from Miner's Ranch Reservoir aka Saddle Dam. The fault is capable of a 6.5 earthquake.

[link to southfeather.com]
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[link to www.timebomb2000.com] Post #7290

There's an earthquake fault running right through Lake Oroville from south to north. It's called the Miner's Ranch fault. It was discovered long after the dam was built by Beale Air Force pilots. If you dont have anything else to do, here's the study from 2010 by South Feather River Water and Power. Oroville gets their drinking water from Miner's Ranch Reservoir aka Saddle Dam. The fault is capable of a 6.5 earthquake.

[link to southfeather.com]
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Better link about the Miner's Ranch Fault:

[link to southfeather.com]
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okg you mean to
tell me they put substandard 6000
psi concrete and let it
heat up?

CHARLIE DONT SURF!
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quote, There's an earthquake fault running right through Lake Oroville from south to north. It's called the Miner's Ranch fault. It was discovered long after the dam was built by Beale Air Force pilots.

They knew about the faults where they wanted to pile up all that mine dump waste to get rid of it instead of reclaiming it. The papers of the day detail how the officials hid the earthquake data. A little research still brings it up.
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Oro Dam Blvd. East will remain open. We'll continue to monitor the spillway performance and adjust operations in response to updated forecasts.

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Tomorrow around 10 AM flows from the Oroville main spillway will increase to 25,000 cubic feet per second (cfs). Releases to the Feather River will remain consistent at 25,000 cfs

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Oro Dam Blvd. East will remain open. We'll continue to monitor the spillway performance and adjust operations in response to updated forecasts.

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Tomorrow around 10 AM flows from the Oroville main spillway will increase to 25,000 cubic feet per second (cfs). Releases to the Feather River will remain consistent at 25,000 cfs

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To put 25,000 cfs into perspective ... the normal flow that is sent through the Grand Canyon out of the Hoover Dam is around 17,500 cfs.

The Niagara River carries 200,000 cfs, but MOST of that water is diverted into it's hydro complex and does not go over Niagara Falls itself.
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Oro Dam Blvd. East will remain open. We'll continue to monitor the spillway performance and adjust operations in response to updated forecasts.

CA - DWR
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Tomorrow around 10 AM flows from the Oroville main spillway will increase to 25,000 cubic feet per second (cfs). Releases to the Feather River will remain consistent at 25,000 cfs

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75545597


To put 25,000 cfs into perspective ... the normal flow that is sent through the Grand Canyon out of the Hoover Dam is around 17,500 cfs.

The Niagara River carries 200,000 cfs, but MOST of that water is diverted into it's hydro complex and does not go over Niagara Falls itself.
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Glen Canyon Dam. But we know what you meant.
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the biggest issue i can see is that they haven't given
this this thing enough time to Cure, before running
it at full throttle.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


Exactly. 30 days per inch of concrete.

Any additive to accelerate curing weakens the concrete.

So it's either still wet or cured but at expense of strength of concrete.
 Quoting: Nonentity


This is true. I used to be a concrete contractor.

If this shit show continues its regularly scheduled programming, we'll witness an epic collapse of this dam.

Unfortunately, the Central Valley which is the richest agricultural region on the planet will be ruined forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70976636

All of you are correct,been in the trades for 35 years. Concrete is a fickle bitch! Depends how far they had to haul it also,can't let concrete heat up,lot of variables. But as much canned fruit as you can afford.
 Quoting: SNOPRO98


They built a concrete plant right on the hillside and made the concrete on site.

Also it was over 100 degrees for most of the summer when they were working on the spillways, don't know if that makes any difference.

But Oroville Dam is very remote, they had to build a concrete plant and make the concrete right there, it wasn't trucked in.
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Will it be able to handle 25,000 cfs today?
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Bump...where's UH..he get banned?
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Will it be able to handle 25,000 cfs today?
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BIGGER VIBRATIONS..THATS FO SURE...

11AM DATA SHOULD BE OUT.
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GOTTA BUMP THIS PAGE..AND GET READY FOR THE SPIN OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE...
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BUMP 4 DATA AVAIL.
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SNEAKY SAN LUIS SNUCK ANOTHER ONE HOUR OF THE MYSTERY 4 FOOT JUMP IN AT 4 FUCKIN AM...!
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DATA BUMP FOR CDEC....IT WORKS.
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5 PM NUMBERS!
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GOTTA BUMP THIS PAGE..AND GET READY FOR THE SPIN OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE...
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BUMP 4 DATA AVAIL.
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GOTTA BUMP THIS PAGE..AND GET READY FOR THE SPIN OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE...
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BUMP 4 DATA AVAIL.
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853.56....APPROX. 25 K IN AND OUT....VIBRATIONS......
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Exactly. 30 days per inch of concrete.

Any additive to accelerate curing weakens the concrete.

So it's either still wet or cured but at expense of strength of concrete.
 Quoting: Nonentity


This is true. I used to be a concrete contractor.

If this shit show continues its regularly scheduled programming, we'll witness an epic collapse of this dam.

Unfortunately, the Central Valley which is the richest agricultural region on the planet will be ruined forever.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70976636

All of you are correct,been in the trades for 35 years. Concrete is a fickle bitch! Depends how far they had to haul it also,can't let concrete heat up,lot of variables. But as much canned fruit as you can afford.
 Quoting: SNOPRO98


They built a concrete plant right on the hillside and made the concrete on site.

Also it was over 100 degrees for most of the summer when they were working on the spillways, don't know if that makes any difference.

But Oroville Dam is very remote, they had to build a concrete plant and make the concrete right there, it wasn't trucked in.
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Mathews Ready Mix was trucking plenty of concrete in from about 5-6 miles away.
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..GOOD VIBRATIONS..SHOULD GET IT UP HERE...PLAYIN THE BEACH BOYZ.
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3 PM NUMBERS SHOULD B IN..

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GOTTA BUMP THIS PAGE..AND GET READY FOR THE SPIN OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE...
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BUMP 4 DATA AVAIL.
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853.56....APPROX. 25 K IN AND OUT....VIBRATIONS......
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NO 3 PM DATA YET..2PM WAS 853.50
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