California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed | |
mon KeyHanger User ID: 75209705 United Kingdom 05/15/2019 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816 05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679 05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777 DWR MAGIC MATH!!! Make that "over three hours now"... 05/15/2019 1:00 889.29 3,371,179 --- --- beneath the main Oroville dam, there is something called the "thermolito diversion pool". From here, the water can go to 2 different places: the Feather River, and also to something called the "thermolito forebay." The thermolito forebay eventually gets released BACK into the Feather River. Just look at a map. I am going to guess (and from what I have gathered from other posts) that the outflows are measured in TWO places: ONE - water released from the diversion pool and into the Feather River TWO - wather released from the forebay and into the Feather River you add up One and Two and that is the TOTAL amount of outflows. However I could be wrong (SO, how full is the Diversion Pool and also the Forebay??!!) Yes wrong. Outflow is what is released directly from the lake (whatever method used) into the pool below the dam itself. River Release is the total that is released downstream into the main Feather River from the bays and the remaining thru put which comes from the pool below the lake (that has not been channeled off into the bays.) This way the actual river release can be adjusted up or down as necessary. A surplus can be retained in the bays to reduce river release or previously retained surplus can be released to increase river release. Last Edited by mon KeyHanger on 05/15/2019 05:46 PM mon KeyHanger |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13358554 United States 05/15/2019 05:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76561248 Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179 Which is a volume measurement. It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height. One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot. At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds. To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid. LYING SEEM TO WORK FOR THEM. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77647308 United States 05/15/2019 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The fulerton dipshit with the bad haircut has gine mega fucking viral, I’m not sure if it’s us (GLiPtards) or him driving this the most, but we now got national attention on the scurrying cockroaches (CA government workers and politicians) Cant wait till calpers goes belly up along with everything else the Demonshits touch. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77647308 United States 05/15/2019 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed 889.50 “Raindrops keep falling on my head But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turning red Crying's not for me 'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complaining Because I'm free Nothing's worrying me“ -DWR Theme Song, sing it with me!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77647308 United States 05/15/2019 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed “Raindrops keep falling on my head But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turning red Crying's not for me 'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complaining Because I'm free Nothing's worrying me“ -DWR Theme Song, sing it with me!! Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... 109 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13358554 United States 05/15/2019 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Spring Storms Concern Residents Living Near Oroville Dam “The ground’s too corroded up there. You’re just basically putting a band-aid on a big patch,” said Andy Buckley. Buckley doesn’t believe the dam was fixed, even after the state spent $1.1 billion on repairs to fix the dam after it was damaged by a storm in February 2017. State officials quickly countered, saying it is perfectly fine. [link to sacramento.cbslocal.com (secure)] |
Midwest Skeptic User ID: 77374864 United States 05/15/2019 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed MUAHAHAHAHAHHAH Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77647308 WE GOT THIS DIOM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF ZEDGE WE LIKELY WILL GET UT ON DRUDGE SOON!!! CA DWR WILL BE IN THE NATUONAL SPOTLIGHT FOR their stupidity and corruption #democratdisaster WINNING The piece in Zero Hedge might wake up some people downstream who don't even know there is something going on up there. The publicity on the Dam this time around has been very very restricted to basically GLP and a couple of small websites this time ... so most are clueless. Maybe this will get one or more of the Sacramento TV stations up there to cover the situation, which is really what is necessary for informing the general public that there may be a problem (of course we all know that DWR is going to LIE LIE LIE like they did back in 2017 claiming there is NO PROBLEM AT ALL, which is patently false) Midwest Skeptic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77650159 United States 05/15/2019 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed MUAHAHAHAHAHHAH Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77647308 WE GOT THIS DIOM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF ZEDGE WE LIKELY WILL GET UT ON DRUDGE SOON!!! CA DWR WILL BE IN THE NATUONAL SPOTLIGHT FOR their stupidity and corruption #democratdisaster WINNING The piece in Zero Hedge might wake up some people downstream who don't even know there is something going on up there. The publicity on the Dam this time around has been very very restricted to basically GLP and a couple of small websites this time ... so most are clueless. Maybe this will get one or more of the Sacramento TV stations up there to cover the situation, which is really what is necessary for informing the general public that there may be a problem (of course we all know that DWR is going to LIE LIE LIE like they did back in 2017 claiming there is NO PROBLEM AT ALL, which is patently false) One of the local talk radio stations did mention this yesterday, but they just reported that the Sheriff said everything is A-OK, nothing to worry about this year. Other than that there is no coverage on Oroville here in the Sac area. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13358554 United States 05/15/2019 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Deja Vu: Is the Oroville Spillway About To Fail Just Two Years After Near-Disastrous Evacuation? It may be hard to believe but only two years after a near-disastrous last-minute evacuation, the Oroville Spillway could be on the verge of failure again. A major piece of infrastructure in Northern California, the spillway has not been well-maintained despite continuously increasing taxes for that purpose. I asked Paul Preston, “How close is the dam to failing?” Preston replied “It could go by this weekend”.. His comments, in part, are based upon the dire weather forecast in which intense rainfall is forecasted between Wednesday May 15 and Sunday, May 19th. This is significant because this could greatly add to the inflow and the outflow data which shows an extreme imbalance. And when we consider that the dam is 12 feet from overtopping, the danger multiplies exponentially. When any structure takes on more water, whether it be a ship or a dam, it is going to fail/sink… [link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)] |
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Midwest Skeptic User ID: 77374864 United States 05/15/2019 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed One of the local talk radio stations did mention this yesterday, but they just reported that the Sheriff said everything is A-OK, nothing to worry about this year. Other than that there is no coverage on Oroville here in the Sac area. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650159 Ah ... maybe this year the Sheriff plans on warning people further in advance of the potential of an imminent failure than he did in 2017. Say 1 hour and 5 minutes instead of only an hour!! Don't Worry ... Be Happy!! . . Midwest Skeptic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77647308 United States 05/15/2019 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed One of the local talk radio stations did mention this yesterday, but they just reported that the Sheriff said everything is A-OK, nothing to worry about this year. Other than that there is no coverage on Oroville here in the Sac area. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650159 Ah ... maybe this year the Sheriff plans on warning people further in advance of the potential of an imminent failure than he did in 2017. Say 1 hour and 5 minutes instead of only an hour!! Don't Worry ... Be Happy!! . . “Raindrops keep falling on my head But that doesn't mean my eyes will soon be turning red Crying's not for me 'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complaining Because I'm free Nothing's worrying me“ -DWR Theme Song, sing it with me!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76561248 Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179 Which is a volume measurement. It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height. One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot. At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds. To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid. How you you measure an acre foot of water, friend? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed A couple questions, Quoting: Hnry Bwmn What did they do with all that asphalt? In a video yesterday, I think it was 25 minutes, no voice just text. I think it was at 17 minutes they showed 3 approximately 6' diameter drains ending by the river at bottom of hill..... In the process of being buried. Where is the top end of those? Where are they going to drain from? Probably under the road they just paved below the ES. To avoid erosion of the lower hill they might funnel water into drains at the top of the boat launch road. Those drains aren't big enough though, if the ES goes over . . . 1272 CFS at 15 ft/s water speed (very fast) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2700750 United States 05/15/2019 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650159 Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179 Which is a volume measurement. It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height. One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot. At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds. To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid. How you you measure an acre foot of water, friend? An acre-foot is a measure of volume. It is essentially a rectangular prism that is 1 acre (43560 square feet) on the top surface, and 1 foot deep. It is equal to 43560 cubic feet, which is about 325851 gallons. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed The shallow Orange county bad haircut dipshit just got a talkin to from the some DOJ thugs... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77647308 DWR is in full panic mode..... details or link please Agreed, if true, worth looking further into thirded. I'm assuming you mean the hispanic guy? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650159 Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179 Which is a volume measurement. It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height. One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot. At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds. To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid. How you you measure an acre foot of water, friend? In case my original post wasn't clear enough, it takes over 150 acre feet of volume change for the lake height sensor to register a change in height. The volume is calculated from the height, since there is NO OTHER WAY to measure it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77307297 It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height. One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot. At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds. To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid. How you you measure an acre foot of water, friend? An acre-foot is a measure of volume. It is essentially a rectangular prism that is 1 acre (43560 square feet) on the top surface, and 1 foot deep. It is equal to 43560 cubic feet, which is about 325851 gallons. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed In order for the lake storage to update every single acre foot, the lake height sensor would need to be accurate to 0.00075 inches. Have you ever seen the surface of a lake? Do you think, even if you got a sensor that accurate, it would give consistent readings? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77307297 United States 05/15/2019 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Or is there some machine that empties the entire lake into 55 gallon drums every hour (then puts it all back) and uses the number of drums to add up the total volume? You decide. |
Anonymous CowTard User ID: 56030391 United States 05/15/2019 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Everyone is forgetting to consider that all the rain that falls on the lake is 1 to 1 real time. If an inch falls on the entire lake it will raise the lake by almost an inch(less the angle of slope differential from vertical of the sloped lake shore) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75545597 United States 05/15/2019 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Fact check: KCRA investigates Oroville Dam rumors . . . CLAIM: The wet winter and melting snowpack will lead to too much water in the reservoir. Findings: This claim is false. According Mellon, the water supply is being closely monitored. “There’s about 200,000 acre-feet of storage remaining in the reservoir, which is a lot of water,” Mellon said. She said water is being released as necessary. “Just because we’re not using the spillway doesn’t mean we’re not releasing water from the reservoir,” she said. “Right now, Hyatt Powerplant is releasing about the same amount of water that’s coming from the snowpack.”. . . [link to www.kcra.com (secure)] |
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