California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13358554 United States 05/15/2019 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed AH ... but in it's infinite wisdom DWR now says they won't open the Main Spillway Gates UNTIL the lake hits 899'!! When the lake is hitting 899' EVERYBODY in Oroville should be on the road getting to higher ground (imo)!! 100% agree... except for now they are saying not until 900 feet... Kinda suggests that the MS is now a de facto ES. Interesting times we live in. EARLIER TODAY DWR SAID THAT THEY DON'T PLAN ON USING THE MAIN SPILLWAY THIS YEAR! |
PhysicalGeographer User ID: 73547694 United States 05/15/2019 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Holy Schnikes. If this can happen in Texas, it sure the hell can happen here right now. This needs to be discussed with all posters [link to www.liveleak.com (secure)] Last Edited by PhysicalGeographer on 05/15/2019 10:16 PM weatherman |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73565502 United States 05/15/2019 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Does anyone know where the information is to verify what she said about the lake staying at 900 for a month in 2011? I've only found info back to 2016 And it sounds like a lot more Oroville people were aware and making noise than we knew. |
#Geomagnetic_Storm# (OP) User ID: 77651414 United States 05/15/2019 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed |
Dee49 User ID: 73049300 United States 05/15/2019 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed There's a silver lining in every cloud and I suppose if the dam fails the california state legislature would go and silicon valley too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75058346 Always gotta look on the bright side. Along with the US economy Very few people understand this. The impact would be devastating, another blow to food production. Multiple insurance companies would be wiped out. My mother lives in an area that would see the initial wave at 10 hours of breech. The number of people evacuating would be unreal. I followed this thread closely the last time. She had bags packed and things already in the car prior. I called her immediately when the evacuation was called because I knew it from GLP. I was watching that guy live when it breached. She was gone in less than 20 minutes. Her drive south to family is normally 4 1/2 hours, it took her just over 5 hours. She knew people that didn’t leave as fast. It took them over 5 hours just to get to Sacramento, a drive that would have taken 45 minutes. This was just an evacuation of only a few towns. I can’t imagine if the entire thing goes. They have received so much moisture and wind. In the last few years tornados have been touching down in that area. She couldn’t work her yard until very late due to how moist it had been. Last Edited by Dee49 on 05/15/2019 10:19 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60905062 United States 05/15/2019 10:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Of course this is the flat valley floor, so may not apply in steep hills. |
Crunch62 User ID: 34409171 United States 05/15/2019 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Based on the radar, heavy rain is moving into the Watershed as we speak. Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm# Yes, it is. Good luck, Crunch! Thanks! Whatever happens, I am going to ride it out. DWR holding out for 899'? That is complete insanity. I'll play along, and raise them for 900. I've been married so long, I don't even look both ways when I cross the street. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75815210 United States 05/15/2019 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed ... Quoting: Midwest Skeptic AH ... but in it's infinite wisdom DWR now says they won't open the Main Spillway Gates UNTIL the lake hits 899'!! When the lake is hitting 899' EVERYBODY in Oroville should be on the road getting to higher ground (imo)!! 100% agree... except for now they are saying not until 900 feet... Kinda suggests that the MS is now a de facto ES. Interesting times we live in. EARLIER TODAY DWR SAID THAT THEY DON'T PLAN ON USING THE MAIN SPILLWAY THIS YEAR! If they can't open the gates I suppose the water just starts flowing over the emergency spillway? Is that their plan? It may be the only option they have. Especially if they think the main spillway concrete may fail even if they are able to open some of the gates. I mean, Oroville is getting pretty full quickly! [link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)] |
HempWillSaveTheWorld User ID: 75001518 United States 05/15/2019 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed CAN ANY ONE OF YOU REFUTE THESE NUMBERS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 Emergency spillway overtops at 901. If gates closed & inflows high, emerg could get to 908 or more. Dam itself would not overtop till 922. Whole things goes if its at 905. That means you have 4 ft over a 100 yds moving over the emerg. That would disimate the whole foundation HempWillSaveTheWorld Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60905062 United States 05/15/2019 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77563121 100% agree... except for now they are saying not until 900 feet... Kinda suggests that the MS is now a de facto ES. Interesting times we live in. EARLIER TODAY DWR SAID THAT THEY DON'T PLAN ON USING THE MAIN SPILLWAY THIS YEAR! If they can't open the gates I suppose the water just starts flowing over the emergency spillway? Is that their plan? It may be the only option they have. Especially if they think the main spillway concrete may fail even if they are able to open some of the gates. I mean, Oroville is getting pretty full quickly! [link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)] Not sure if UH is just Mia or banned again but the level is 889.32 as of now. Just incremental increase today? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26563083 United States 05/15/2019 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed CAN ANY ONE OF YOU REFUTE THESE NUMBERS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13358554 Emergency spillway overtops at 901. If gates closed & inflows high, emerg could get to 908 or more. Dam itself would not overtop till 922. Whole things goes if its at 905. That means you have 4 ft over a 100 yds moving over the emerg. That would disimate the whole foundation In essence over topping the ES weir is FAILURE MODE # 1. At that point the dam is IN THE PROCESS of failing. It's just a matter of time after that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73565502 United States 05/15/2019 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed There's a silver lining in every cloud and I suppose if the dam fails the california state legislature would go and silicon valley too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75058346 Always gotta look on the bright side. Along with the US economy Very few people understand this. The impact would be devastating, another blow to food production. Multiple insurance companies would be wiped out. My mother lives in an area that would see the initial wave at 10 hours of breech. The number of people evacuating would be unreal. I followed this thread closely the last time. She had bags packed and things already in the car prior. I called her immediately when the evacuation was called because I knew it from GLP. I was watching that guy live when it breached. She was gone in less than 20 minutes. Her drive south to family is normally 4 1/2 hours, it took her just over 5 hours. She knew people that didn’t leave as fast. It took them over 5 hours just to get to Sacramento, a drive that would have taken 45 minutes. This was just an evacuation of only a few towns. I can’t imagine if the entire thing goes. They have received so much moisture and wind. In the last few years tornados have been touching down in that area. She couldn’t work her yard until very late due to how moist it had been. I grew up in Sacramento and had family in Oroville so I know that drive well, and all the agriculture in between. There are not a lot of escape options if you have to evacuate due to flood. Gridley, Live Oak and Biggs... do they even have an escape route? They're surrounded by water ways. And I learned only recently the Buttes are NOT an escape to higher ground because it's all private property and behind locked gates. A failure of the dam is a dire event with devastating consequences most people here don't comprehend. |
HempWillSaveTheWorld User ID: 75001518 United States 05/15/2019 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Please note The MS is the ES because it takes years for that much concrete to cure to full strength. If they allow water on the spill way there is a high chance of failure. I dont think they expected the damn to refill 2 years later. Normally you have 10 years after building before it under full load. Too much concrete too fast, it cant be used until 900 because high risk of failure if they did too soon. Hence its not in operation. Its not smart to have that much water in it beforw the snow pack melts. Obviously they cant use the spill way till it cures proper otherwise they risk the whole dam and the new spill way. ES would probably be an even worse scenario at this point as it would under mine the spill way faster. They have no other choice but to hope and pray they dont have to use it, otherwise they probably know its high likely hood of loss. HempWillSaveTheWorld Vi Veri Vniversum Vivus Vici |
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Jeff_43 User ID: 61782277 United States 05/15/2019 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Two years ago we watched water coming down the MS for a whole week before it crested over the ES. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77649299 I don't know what to think now. Say the MS can handle 50,000 CFS. Water can come in as much as 200,000 CFS. The ES can handle 150,000 CFS for how long? The DWR would prefer you call it the main spillway and the Auxiliary spillway. They say calling it an emergency spillway gives the impression that there is an actual emergency. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 05/15/2019 10:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed [link to twitter.com (secure)] [link to twitter.com (secure)] @weiryone ‏ @weiryone Following Following @weiryone More Confidence booster? Pictures at the link of the gates. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 05/15/2019 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed [link to twitter.com (secure)] CHP Oroville ‏ @CHP_Oroville Follow Follow @CHP_Oroville More There are no expected negative impacts downstream. We will continue our security presence at the dam and related infrastructure and will work with our partners @ButteSheriff @CAStateParks to keep the public informed of any changes. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75545597 United States 05/15/2019 11:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Does anyone know where the information is to verify what she said about the lake staying at 900 for a month in 2011? I've only found info back to 2016 And it sounds like a lot more Oroville people were aware and making noise than we knew. [link to cdec.water.ca.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75545597 United States 05/15/2019 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Does anyone know where the information is to verify what she said about the lake staying at 900 for a month in 2011? I've only found info back to 2016 And it sounds like a lot more Oroville people were aware and making noise than we knew. [link to cdec.water.ca.gov] here you go |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 05/15/2019 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed [link to twitter.com (secure)] Pictures~ ‏ @Jack_in_VA 57s 57 seconds ago More Replying to @weiryone The first picture, that shows the white things over the concrete buttress to the weir. Are those white things tarps, or plastic? Were you able to see? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26563083 United States 05/15/2019 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Two years ago we watched water coming down the MS for a whole week before it crested over the ES. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77649299 I don't know what to think now. Say the MS can handle 50,000 CFS. Water can come in as much as 200,000 CFS. The ES can handle 150,000 CFS for how long? The DWR would prefer you call it the main spillway and the Auxiliary spillway. They say calling it an emergency spillway gives the impression that there is an actual emergency. Yeah but 'auxiliarary' is hard to spell. |
Jeff_43 User ID: 61782277 United States 05/15/2019 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed Two years ago we watched water coming down the MS for a whole week before it crested over the ES. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77649299 I don't know what to think now. Say the MS can handle 50,000 CFS. Water can come in as much as 200,000 CFS. The ES can handle 150,000 CFS for how long? The DWR would prefer you call it the main spillway and the Auxiliary spillway. They say calling it an emergency spillway gives the impression that there is an actual emergency. Yeah but 'auxiliarary' is hard to spell. How about the "we fucked up spillway" and the "oh fuck we are in serious trouble spillway" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64698495 United States 05/15/2019 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed [link to twitter.com (secure)] OroDamWatch ‏ @Oro_Dam_Watch Following Following @Oro_Dam_Watch More Interesting video from DWR. At 2 minutes in she states that they need a buffer 50 feet of storage for any rain or snowmelt. 3 years later they need less than a foot??? Makes sense, right? Smoking gun video!!! |
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