Could this be a seriously real way to EXIT THE MATRIX?

Wow. Excellent questions. There is no new awareness. There is only awareness here and now, and that is God, so there is no room or desire for God since those imply a separation that doesn't really exist. The matrix arise out of the conscious awareness of the present moment, but the present moment has no origination. Like awareness, it just is because it is awareness.

There is no spark that infuses awareness into our souls. That is just a helpful metaphor. Our souls are that awarenes. We do not achieve this higher awareness. We are this higher awareness. Our cleverness and ingrained ability are what keeps us away from this truth by seeking to separate that which cannot be separated, to make the non-dual into a duality. This is maya, illusion.

This awareness cannot be hidden or masked, nor can it be manifested to the masses or anyone else. It is the ground of all that manifests. It is not something to be attained so there is nothing you can do to attain it because you already are it. This is the deeper meaning of Christ saying I am the way, truth, and life, as well as the notion that there is nothing one can do to attain salvation.

Your awareness is not different than mine or anyone else's. I am "in here" typing these words that you are reading while you are "in there" but the awareness I have of my typing is the same awareness that you have of your reading because there is only awareness and it cannot be separated into my awareness or your awareness or his awareness of her awareness. There is only awareness here and now and it is the witness of all that rises and falls in the stream of time.

Yup. And I judge that you missed my play on words there. You do know who wrote the words to the excellent song you and the other person are quoting, don't you?

Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.

Oh, and tying this deadly talk to the subject of the thread and to the subject of our little diversion here, listen to the thunder shout, I am, I am, I am.

Thank you for your comment and response. I am still trying to digest the deeper implications of your reply but in the meantime -

You write that Awareness is not something you attain, rather it is you and you it, awareness being here and now, and that is God, as there is no separation between us and God. You write that a spark to infuse Awareness into our souls is unnecessary, as our souls are that Awareness, Awareness not being something you can attain, which suggests it is also something you can't lose but simply forget or have masked. If such is the case, why do you then site Christ's words "I am the way, truth, and life", as Christ was all about seeking Awareness, Righteousness and Salvation, most often considered learned or aquired attributes. Isn't this a contradiction?

And lastly, in so far as you reject "duality", would that be an argument for "As Above So Below", and would that imply that you are either a Mason and/or a Kabbalist?

Damn, you sure do pack a lot of pop in a short paragraph. Well played.

Yes, you can't attain it and you can't lose it. It just is. You can't even forget or mask it ultimately because it is what is witnessing you as you go off and get engrossed in the show of duality.

There are loads of contradictions that aren't really so when viewed from a deeper perspective, and there's also language to account for, common ways of saying things that play into these apparent contradictions. Remember, the ceiling at one level is also the floor at the next, right? So the idea that our souls are sparks of the flame of Spirit is helpful to come to the idea that we are divine in essence if not in ego, but once that is done, the idea that we are in fact not separate souls has to be grokked. And so it goes.

Christ repeatedly refers to himself as the I am, both in the famous I am sayings of John, but also in other places such a when he walks on the water and the disciples freak and he says be not afraid, it is I. Well, the original Greek actually says "I am [he]," with the "he" added. It's the same when the soldiers come for him and they as if he is the Christ and he says I am [he]. It should be noted that I am he is an ancient mantra from the vedas and is far older than Christianity.

So when Christ says I am the way, the truth, and the life, he is speaking of the I am, the sense of existence in each of us, the one thing we know that no one can make us doubt because it is directly perceived. So he is saying seek that or focus on that, but when you actually do so, you find that it is that I am that is actually seeking itself, it is a self-awareness prior to any detail about us. It is awareness seeking itself, so the seeker, the seeking, and the sought, or knower, knowing, and known, are all one and the same.

Salvation in the deeper sense is being established in the I am or witness consciousness, which is eternal, hence eternal life, instead of being in the flesh, the egoic separate self sense, which is duality or sin, hence the wages of it is death. The ego, separate self, or flesh will die, but the I am is eternal because it is beyond or prior to the stream of time. Satan, of course, tries to seduce us into somehow making the separate self yearn for eternal life, to be as gods, but this of course cannot be, so he is the father of lies. The only way to salvation, eternal life, is the I am, not the ego.

I'm not a mason or kabbalist. I don't reject duality, I just know that it is an illusion, the result of eating the fruit of good and evil, hence duality. As above, so below is still dualistic because all opposites are dual.

You are very welcome. Thanks for the feedback.

Hey op, this is a great thread and I'm really glad you put it here. Do ya think ya might add "God" or "religion" or any other tag word in the title so it shows up in the religion topic list? That way it will be easier to keep touch with and get more views and hopefully more responses.

Many good questions here. Let me try to answer them the best i can one at a time.

The first one: 'So there is no room or need or desire for God in this new Awareness of which you speak? "

Awareness is the same as God. Awareness has no beginning and no end. God has no beginning and no end. There is only desire for God because we don't recognize that only illusion separates us from God or Awareness. God/awareness is the light by which and through which we see but it's so close to us that it ends up being hidden in plain sight. It's similar to the idea that the eye can't look at itself.

Second question: "From whence does the Matrix, Awareness, or Bliss originate? "

Answer: Awareness is all there is. It precedes all else. It is foundational. It always was and always will be. It is timeless. It has no origin because it is that from which all things arise. In that sense it is the origin-ator of all things.

Wow. Excellent answer. Beautiful.

Good idea. Let me think about that. Thanks.

We never experience consciousness in the body. It is always our experience that this body, this cluster of sensations, appears in consciousness.

Rupert Spira

Third question: "Was there never a spark to infuse the original Awareness into our souls?"

Answer: Awareness is continuous, timeless. Through ignorance of Awareness, the world of illusion, the world of objects, becomes the apparent reality. This is the apparent reality that consists of the innumerable tangible and intangible physical and mental objects that populate the illusory world we live in.

Among the individual objects that we label as real is the idea of a soul. But to have the experience of thinking about a soul or any other object, there must first be Awareness that allows us to have that thought in the first place. So in that sense, your choice of words: "original Awareness" is intuitively correct.

Your forth question: "Did we simply forget or lose touch with this reality of which you speak?"

Answer: The only reality there is: pure, timeless Awareness, can never be lost or forgotten. It is the Awareness of your existence that's always been with you your entire life that's actually quietly watching you formulate these questions.

Fifth question: "Why in all our cleverness and engrained ability to achieve this higher and vastly more important realm, did we lose ourselves and our abilities along the way?"

Answer: We actually never lost our true nature with is primordial Awareness. It's always been there in the background looking through our eyes. It is only ignorance that hides this fact from us.

As to why ignorance happened in the first place, some say that the universe just wanted to play hide and seek with itself and so Maya or illusion came into being.

Questions 6: "Even taking into account the many and continuous efforts to mask Awareness from Western cultures, it seems to me this engrained Awareness would have manifested to the masses more readily and long ago. Would my Awareness be different than yours?"

Answer: Again, I think this hidden aspect of Awareness is just part of the universe in hide and seek mode. And your second question about whether your Awareness is different than mine: No - it's the same because Awareness is 'The one without a second' as thy say. It pervades all of existence. You could say that all experiential existence owes its very existence to Awareness.

No one can ever find a world outside of their perception; the world arises with the I thought.

Rupert Spira

One of the things I have always wondered about was how we dropped the non-dual ball in the first place. I am aware of your reference to the idea of hide and seek or God's lila as it is called, his play or sport. I have to say I have never found that to be a very satisfying answer, but somehow illusion got into the game or there couldn't be any game or creation.

Even with genesis and the fall from the garden, it's pretty clear that God set up Adam and Eve to fall because they had no idea what good and evil were, not yet having tasted the fruit, or duality. He created the serpent to be more crafty and tricked them in their ignorance and innocence. Also, since it is said that the plan for salvation was in effect before the creation of the world, that's another indication that it was a setup from the start.

Maybe it's not something we can ever have a satisfying answer to.

I like the stuff I have seen from Rupert.

This is a point that Nisargadatta and Ramana hammer over and over. It's the opposite stance than the materialist view of consciousness being a product of the brain, something that has never made sense to me. That the brain is the product of consciousness makes much more sense to me, so I am happy to see the idea of the non-locality of consciousness get more play in science.

Yea. I hear you. Then there's the idea that the wool was pulled over our eyes by virtue of activities orchestrated by the archons and/or negative ET's. That we've purposely been kept in the dark so as not to recognize our inner power/Awareness and that the purpose for this was for us to be used as an energy source for these archons/negative ET's.

Yeah, the loosh farm idea. Not sure how I feel about the whole gnostic archon bit. Regardless, that only puts thing back a step doesn't it? But every tradition I know of has some conception of the fall, so somehow we got trapped in these little bubbles of separateness.

By overlooking the true dimensionless (non-dual) reality of experience, time and space appear its place.

Rupert Spira

The desire I feel for freedom, peace, happiness and love is the pull that infinite consciousness exerts on my finite mind.

Rupert Spira

This awareness comes from God. It comes from reading the bible over and over for years and years. Jim Reeves sang it best when he sang this world is not my home. This awareness is as old as the earth itself, and I believe it was something Enoch, Moses, and Elijah knew. I believe there was a very real attempt to suppress this knowledge but it has resurrected itself now in the information age. I believe fully that my awareness is different than yours, because what separates me from others is that I find is to be subjective and I am to be subjective. Two realtors will describe the same house differently. I believe the soul continues on in the universe that is the energy matrix, taking note continuously of the energy matrix that is itself.

Thanks for your comment. I'm just curious though because you say that awareness comes from God. Can you describe what your definition of God is?

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It's not that the awareness doesn't come from God as much as the awareness IS God. Reading the bible or any other scripture is helpful, but it does not produce awareness because that awareness must be prior to the reading or there would be no ability to read in the first place. Awareness is prior to all experience.

Yes, it is as old as the earth itself, for it is ageless and eternal. Your experience is different than mine, but the awareness that is behind the experience witnessing that experience is not different because awareness cannot be separated. Separateness is the illusion that keeps the game going. As it is said in the advaita tradition so well:

The world is illusory;
Brahman alone is real.
Brahman is the world.

Ah, paradox found.

Great point you make here, op. This goes directly to that age-old question that many atheists think is some kind of kill shot, "if God created the world who created God?" Nobody created God because for there to be any creation it has to be done in the now, and since the now is not in the stream of time, but the stream of time is in the now, then there can be no prior time to now because the now is always prior to everything.

The now, awareness, God, these are all labels or names for the same thing.