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CNN: Home prices take a big dive! Largest drop on record! The bubble be a poppin'
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Record home price slump

Fourth quarter report from Realtors shows largest price drop on record as markets with price declines now outpace those with gains.

By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
February 15 2007: 2:54 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The slump in home prices was both deeper and more widespread than ever in the fourth quarter, according to a trade group report Thursday.

Prices slumped 2.7 percent in the fourth quarter compared to the fourth quarter of a year earlier, according to the report from the National Association of Realtors. That's the biggest year-over-year drop on record, and follows a 1.0 percent year-over-year decline in the third quarter.

In addition, 73 metropolitan areas reported a decline in the fourth quarter, compared to a year earlier. That outpaced the 71 that saw a gain. It was both a record number and percentage of markets showing a decline in the group's quarterly report. Five markets saw prices unchanged.

That decline was a far more widespread than the third quarter, when only 45 markets reported drops and 102 saw gains, or the second quarter when only 26 saw a year-over-year slump in prices. The national median price was still showing a year-over-year gain in the second quarter.

The most recent median prices are down even more - 3.4 percent, since hitting record highs in the second quarter. Almost three-quarters of the markets, reported on by the group, saw declines in median prices over the last six months, with eight reporting double-digit declines.

Vacation markets, where investor-buyers had driven up prices during the building boom of 2005, were particularly hard hit.

The Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, Fl., market saw the biggest year-over-year decline in the fourth quarter, with prices plunging 18 percent.

When looking at the change between the fourth quarter and the second-quarter peak, Palm Bay-Melbourne-Titusville, Fl., market saw the biggest drop, with median prices plunging 19.5 percent.

But the weakness in prices wasn't restricted to those kinds of vacation markets. Springfield, Illinois reported a 16.2 percent drop in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter, the biggest decline during that time frame, along with a 10.4 percent decline compared to a year earlier.

Still the trade group statement said it believed that the worst was over for the drop in prices.

"Examination of data within the quarter shows home prices stabilizing toward the end," said a statement from David Lereah, the Realtors' chief economist. "When we get the figures for this spring, I expect to see a discernable improvement in both sales and prices."

Part of the decline in prices was due to the drop in sales pace. Total existing-home sales, including single-family and condo, were at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.24 million units in the fourth quarter, down 10.1 percent from a 6.94 million-unit level in the fourth quarter of 2005.

And the slower pace of sales, coupled with investor-buyers from 2005 trying to sell homes and condos they had bought, created a glut of homes on the market, according to other real estate readings, which also fed into the decline in home prices.

Realtors President Pat Vredevoogd Combs, a Grand Rapids, Mich. Realtor, admitted the group doesn't expect to see a big gain in 2007 statistics.

"Right now, buyers are responding to seller pricing and incentives, and there's a bit of a pent-up demand as a result of buyer hesitation during the second half of 2006," she said in the group's statement. "We're not looking for big changes, but a gradual rise in sales and home prices is projected - that will be good for the overall housing market and related industries."

She said that since most home owners stay in a home six years on average, a look at five-year price gains shows most homeowners are doing OK despite the recent weakness. The median five-year price gain is 41.8 percent, according to the group's figures.

The nation's leading home builders have all reported declining prices for new homes, which are not captured in this report. KB Home (Charts) reported a net loss of $49.6 million, or 64 cents per share, for the fiscal fourth quarter ended Nov. 30, earlier this week. Other leading builders reporting weakness in prices include Lennar (Charts), Pulte Home (Charts), Centex (Charts), D.R. Horton (Charts) and Toll Brothers (Charts).

The most expensive market in the latest report was San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, Calif., where the median home price $760,000. That was up $20,000, or 2.7 percent from a year earlier, but down $19,000, or 2.4 percent, from the third quarter and off $35,000, or 4.4 percent, from the second-quarter peak.

The cheapest market was Elmira, N.Y., where the median price was $78,400. That was off 0.5 percent from a year earlier, and down 16.2 percent from the third quarter, which is when prices there peaked.

Despite the record weakness, there were some markets that showed strong price gains. The best was Atlantic City, N.J., where the median price was $339,800, up 25.9 percent compared to a year earlier.
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"The nation's leading home builders have all reported declining prices for new homes, which are not captured in this report."


heard investors "flipping houses" had lots to do with the new home decline...and why aren't they captured in this report?
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heard investors "flipping houses" had lots to do with the new home decline...and why aren't they captured in this report?
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Probably because the numbers would be so much worse.
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i suppose they would.
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It's bad enough. I was watching CNN today, and they were doing a rah-rah cheer for the stock market because it was climbing despite the housing trends.

I think they're smoking something.
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It's bad enough. I was watching CNN today, and they were doing a rah-rah cheer for the stock market because it was climbing despite the housing trends.
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Which shows you just how disconnected the stock market has become from reality. As people watch the value of their home fall, you can damn well bet they're going to stop taking equity out of their house to buy plasma TVs, SUVs, or $10,000 kitchen re-models.
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Re: CNN: Home prices take a big dive! Largest drop on record! The bubble be a poppin'
This talk of how great the economy was and everything is was just like it was during the early days of the great depression.
I pity the person who gets elected after Bush leaves office. They will get blamed for everything. But thats all part of the plan.
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This talk of how great the economy was and everything is was just like it was during the early days of the great depression.
I pity the person who gets elected after Bush leaves office. They will get blamed for everything. But thats all part of the plan.
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Yes. It was called the "Roaring Twenties" and TPTB bid up prices on housing, the start market and there was a huge bank credit expansion.

Sound familiar?

History repeats, with very few paying attention.
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bump
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prices go up ... prices go down
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What goes up, must come down.

Duh.
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prices go up ... prices go down
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it's called flucuation......


I had a bunch of Canadian dollars I needed to exchange, so I went to the

currency exchange window at the local bank.

It was a short line. Just one guy in front of me...an Asian guy who was

trying to exchange yen for dollars and he was a little irritated.

He asked the teller, "Why it change?? Yestoday, I get two hunat dolla
for
yen. Today I get hunat eighty?? Why it change?"

The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, "Fluctuations".

The Asian guy said, "Fluc you white people too!"
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Re: CNN: Home prices take a big dive! Largest drop on record! The bubble be a poppin'
I saw this on another forum:

1) Housing experiences the worst bust in decades, with values dropping the largest amount on record.
2) American carmakers are taking record losses and laying off tens of thousands.
3) American manufacturing is slipping into recession.

and yet...

4) The stock market is making new highs daily.

HUH?
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prices go up ... prices go down



it's called flucuation......


I had a bunch of Canadian dollars I needed to exchange, so I went to the

currency exchange window at the local bank.

It was a short line. Just one guy in front of me...an Asian guy who was

trying to exchange yen for dollars and he was a little irritated.

He asked the teller, "Why it change?? Yestoday, I get two hunat dolla
for
yen. Today I get hunat eighty?? Why it change?"

The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, "Fluctuations".

The Asian guy said, "Fluc you white people too!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 193352


LOL

kind of like Newtons fluxions
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Tell me about it!

I'm trying to sell a modestly priced (195K), beautifully restored home in Cocoa, Florida, near everything.

It's on Ebay, MLS, It's 65 degrees here and the phones are eerily quiet WTF!!

Maybe I should rent it . . . by the hour!
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They should be dropping by 50% to get closer to reality.

There has been no need for prices to triple in 3 to 5 years.

There has never been any shortage. There have always been empty houses on the market.

This is a conspiracy put together by the National Realtors associations. Those greedy bas****s have made a killing in commisions that they do not deserve. They have engaged in price fixing not only with their commisions, but with the prices of real estate.

They have their profession sewed up with laws that prevent anyone else from being an agent in selling a house for a fee. Before you can get a license you must take a test, which may or may not have anything to do with the real aspects of the property they get licensed to sell.

I have worked with them for 40 years, and I can tell you that they are worse than lawyers. They guard those commission with the zeal of a crocodile setting with her eggs. There is no way you can become friends with any of them.
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What is this? The 12th or 13th time you assholes have said here comes the housing bubble popping.

Idiots.
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prices went up too fast, massive amounts way over real
value and now they are coming down, they way you people
act someone could fart inside a building and you would
scream the terrorists are attacking with nerve gas
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also if values jumped between 10 and 30 percent a few years
ago and are falling at 2 to 3 percent a year now, why are
your panties in a bunch
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Here's the latest data for home prices on a city-by-city basis. If you happen to own a house in Atlantic City or Salt Lake City you're in luck - prices have increased over 20%. But they're down in a lot of others:

[link to money.cnn.com]
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also if values jumped between 10 and 30 percent a few years
ago and are falling at 2 to 3 percent a year now, why are
your panties in a bunch
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because a lot of people only got into the housing market in the last year or two. They never saw the big price jump, yet they financed with a zero-down no interest toxic loan. They are f*cked.
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I expect boats, especially gas powered express cruisers to drop below their 'cost-to-build' value, but it is weird seeing homes do it.

Orlando, Florida now has an 18 month inventory surplus.
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I saw this on another forum:

1) Housing experiences the worst bust in decades, with values dropping the largest amount on record.
2) American carmakers are taking record losses and laying off tens of thousands.
3) American manufacturing is slipping into recession.

and yet...

4) The stock market is making new highs daily.

HUH?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 190252



obviously, we have to root for the stock market to tank so the working man can have good news- fuck the stock market and its "players"
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denial will not help you who have made your own bed and now get to lie in it, greed comes back to bite you in the ass every single time.
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I saw this on another forum:

1) Housing experiences the worst bust in decades, with values dropping the largest amount on record.
2) American carmakers are taking record losses and laying off tens of thousands.
3) American manufacturing is slipping into recession.

and yet...

4) The stock market is making new highs daily.

HUH?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 190252


The FED is buying our own stock market. That is why they hid the M3 stats.

Thus the stock market making new highs is phony. At some point 'they' will pull the rug out from under us. Position yourselves accordingly.
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also if values jumped between 10 and 30 percent a few years
ago and are falling at 2 to 3 percent a year now, why are
your panties in a bunch



because a lot of people only got into the housing market in the last year or two. They never saw the big price jump, yet they financed with a zero-down no interest toxic loan. They are f*cked.
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NO ONES FAULT BUT THEIR OWN.

(what, does a "toxic" loan make you take it)

LOL
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as long as this number keeps going up, the downturn hasn't even started yet.

[link to www.federalreserve.gov]
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I saw this on another forum:
1) Housing experiences the worst bust in decades, with values dropping the largest amount on record.
2) American carmakers are taking record losses and laying off tens of thousands.
3) American manufacturing is slipping into recession.
and yet...
4) The stock market is making new highs daily.
HUH?


The FED is buying our own stock market. That is why they hid the M3 stats.

Thus the stock market making new highs is phony. At some point 'they' will pull the rug out from under us. Position yourselves accordingly.
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Very Interesting about the feeding the stock market/M3 cloaking analogy . . .
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Re: CNN: Home prices take a big dive! Largest drop on record! The bubble be a poppin'
HOORAY....I can't WAIT to see all of those "Master of the Universe" YUPPIES get the Supreme,Royal fucking that those ASSHOLES so richly deserve!!!I will be jumping for joy and glee just knowing that they are losing their MsMansions and the fucking BMW is getting it's ass towed away....fuck them all!!!!!!!!!Obnoxious,pretensious pricks....
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Re: CNN: Home prices take a big dive! Largest drop on record! The bubble be a poppin'
Market changes, Its a fact of life. The question is whether you profited from it. I got friends that cried "the bubble is bursting" 5 years back. Yes I believe the run is over now, but I made a nice chunk of money while they sat on the sideline. They still tell me "I told you so"...I laugh all the way to the bank. They haven't made a penny...





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