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Eight million people internationally study the bible with Jehovah's Witnesses in 230 languages.

 
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Who are the Jehovah's Witnesses and what are their beliefs?

What do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe? Close scrutiny of their doctrinal position on such subjects as the deity of Christ, salvation, the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the atonement shows beyond a doubt that they do not hold to orthodox Christian positions on these subjects. Jehovah’s Witnesses believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the highest created being. This contradicts many Scriptures which clearly declare Jesus to be God (John 1:1,14, 8:58, 10:30). Jehovah’s Witnesses believe salvation is obtained by a combination of faith, good works, and obedience. This contradicts countless scriptures which declare salvation to be received by grace through faith (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the Trinity, believing Jesus to be a created being and the Holy Spirit to essentially be the inanimate power of God. Jehovah’s Witnesses reject the concept of Christ’s substitutionary atonement and instead hold to a ransom theory, that Jesus’ death was a ransom payment for Adam’s sin.

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"What is the definition of a cult?"

A cult is an unorthodox sect whose members distort the original doctrines of the religion. In a Christian context, the definition of a cult is, specifically, “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” A cult is a group that teaches doctrines that, if believed, will cause a person to remain unsaved. A cult claims to be part of a religion, yet it denies essential truth(s) of that religion. Therefore, a Christian cult will deny one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity while still claiming to be Christian.

The two most common teachings of Christian cults are that Jesus was not God and that salvation is not by faith alone. A denial of the deity of Christ results in the view that Jesus’ death was insufficient to pay for our sins. A denial of salvation by faith alone results in the teaching that salvation is achieved by our own works. The apostles dealt with cults in the early years of the church: for example, John addresses the teaching of Gnosticism in 1 John 4:1–3. John’s litmus test for godly doctrine was “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh” (verse 2)—a direct contradiction of the Gnostic heresy (cf. 2 John 1:7).

The two most well-known examples of cults today are the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. Both groups claim to be Christian, yet both deny the deity of Christ and salvation by faith alone. Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons believe many things that are in agreement with or similar to what the Bible teaches. However, the fact that they deny the deity of Christ and preach a salvation by works qualifies them as cults. Many Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and members of other cults are moral people who genuinely believe they hold the truth. As Christians, our hope and prayer must be that many people involved in cults will see through the lies and will be drawn to the truth of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone.

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"Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons. Both groups claim to be Christian, yet both deny the deity of Christ and salvation by faith alone."

1. "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him." Jo3:16

2. "Nevertheless, a certain one will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.” Ja2:18

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8 million people sadly being deceived by a false version of Christianity...and you are complicit in their deception, OP.
 Quoting: Elephant in the room

So show me genuine Christianity.
 Quoting: DGN


You mean the bible definition?

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


That definition?

JW keep Gods commandments? Even the 4th commandment?

Matthew 5 : 18-19

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:


Least means, you wont be there.


What was that about "genuine" Christianity?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Show me the actual global congregation not a diversion attempt, the real people proclaiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
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8 million people sadly being deceived by a false version of Christianity...and you are complicit in their deception, OP.
 Quoting: Elephant in the room

So show me genuine Christianity.
 Quoting: DGN


You mean the bible definition?

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


That definition?

JW keep Gods commandments? Even the 4th commandment?

Matthew 5 : 18-19

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:


Least means, you wont be there.


What was that about "genuine" Christianity?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Show me the actual global congregation not a diversion attempt, the real people proclaiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
 Quoting: DGN


Scripture speaks of in the end times, 3 angels proclaiming their message. Revelation 14 : 7 - 9

1st, judgment is coming, repent.

2nd, babylon(rome and her protestant daughters) are doomed

3rd, reject the sunday pagan mark of rome or eternal death is the reward.

Where is this "proclaim the 1000 year reign" as an end time prophecy?
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So show me genuine Christianity.
 Quoting: DGN


You mean the bible definition?

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


That definition?

JW keep Gods commandments? Even the 4th commandment?

Matthew 5 : 18-19

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:


Least means, you wont be there.


What was that about "genuine" Christianity?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Show me the actual global congregation not a diversion attempt, the real people proclaiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
 Quoting: DGN


Scripture speaks of in the end times, 3 angels proclaiming their message. Revelation 14 : 7 - 9

1st, judgment is coming, repent.

2nd, babylon(rome and her protestant daughters) are doomed

3rd, reject the sunday pagan mark of rome or eternal death is the reward.

Where is this "proclaim the 1000 year reign" as an end time prophecy?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


All these threads and you knoweth this not?
"For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.' Mt24:7

"“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28;19
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You mean the bible definition?

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.


That definition?

JW keep Gods commandments? Even the 4th commandment?

Matthew 5 : 18-19

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:


Least means, you wont be there.


What was that about "genuine" Christianity?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Show me the actual global congregation not a diversion attempt, the real people proclaiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
 Quoting: DGN


Scripture speaks of in the end times, 3 angels proclaiming their message. Revelation 14 : 7 - 9

1st, judgment is coming, repent.

2nd, babylon(rome and her protestant daughters) are doomed

3rd, reject the sunday pagan mark of rome or eternal death is the reward.

Where is this "proclaim the 1000 year reign" as an end time prophecy?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


All these threads and you knoweth this not?
"For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.' Mt24:7

"“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28;19
 Quoting: DGN


You did not explain some "prophesied cry" of a 1000 year reign being shown as an end time prophecy.

The actual bible was explained to you, but your own point , you ignored.
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Show me the actual global congregation not a diversion attempt, the real people proclaiming the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
 Quoting: DGN


Scripture speaks of in the end times, 3 angels proclaiming their message. Revelation 14 : 7 - 9

1st, judgment is coming, repent.

2nd, babylon(rome and her protestant daughters) are doomed

3rd, reject the sunday pagan mark of rome or eternal death is the reward.

Where is this "proclaim the 1000 year reign" as an end time prophecy?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


All these threads and you knoweth this not?
"For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.' Mt24:7

"“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28;19
 Quoting: DGN


You did not explain some "prophesied cry" of a 1000 year reign being shown as an end time prophecy.

The actual bible was explained to you, but your own point , you ignored.
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Disregard, does not apply.
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Wow that many people study the bible and they still cant work it out?
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Scripture speaks of in the end times, 3 angels proclaiming their message. Revelation 14 : 7 - 9

1st, judgment is coming, repent.

2nd, babylon(rome and her protestant daughters) are doomed

3rd, reject the sunday pagan mark of rome or eternal death is the reward.

Where is this "proclaim the 1000 year reign" as an end time prophecy?
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


All these threads and you knoweth this not?
"For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 “Then people will deliver YOU up to tribulation and will kill YOU, and YOU will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, also, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 And many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness the love of the greater number will cool off. 13 But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. 14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.' Mt24:7

"“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” Mt28;19
 Quoting: DGN


You did not explain some "prophesied cry" of a 1000 year reign being shown as an end time prophecy.

The actual bible was explained to you, but your own point , you ignored.
 Quoting: Itiswhatitisheh


Disregard, does not apply.
 Quoting: DGN


obviously. hence, your issue with Gods commandments, that Christ said if you teach are done away with, youll be denied heaven, literally, not sure how you resolve that.


Unless "heaven and earth have passed away"

?

no? why do you teach 1 of the 10 were removed even though Christ said those who teach such will not make heaven?
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Wow that many people study the bible and they still cant work it out?
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" And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it all the nations must stream. 3 And many peoples will certainly go and say: “Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” .....4 And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore." Isa2
Who can't work it out?

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Show me! Show me! Show me!
Let the facts fall wherever, whenever, and however they may.

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The Jehovahs I know kidnapped their daughter from her legal guardian and tortured her religiously mentally and mildly physically (restraints not beatings) for four days until she was able to escape - even now after all the court proceedings have been sorted out they still hound her and everyone around her sending other Jehovah's to her work, calling her boss and saying she isn't worth her job and threatening if she doesn't get fired, among other sources of harassment as well (some of this IS being litigated so I cannot be more specific)

From the behavior Ive personally witnessed, my opinion of it is the same as scientology, cult.
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Show me! Show me! Show me!
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JW's are nice people and I grew up with organized religion (not JW) and it does not serve the proper human condition to be the best person you can be. It is a mind trap.

Religion at best is a guide because there is always some truth regarding love and compassion yet it ultimately ends up being a control system that makes one grow up with fear and guilt. Then give us your money.

Well to each their own.

Sorry OP
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Its a cult and you know it....Read Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is God almighty.Repent!
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JW's are nice people and I grew up with organized religion (not JW) and it does not serve the proper human condition to be the best person you can be. It is a mind trap.

Religion at best is a guide because there is always some truth regarding love and compassion yet it ultimately ends up being a control system that makes one grow up with fear and guilt. Then give us your money.

Well to each their own.

Sorry OP
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Sorry for what that's the truth about religion, here's your backup;
"After these things I saw another angel descending from heaven, with great authority; and the earth was lighted up from his glory. 2 And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong." R v18;4
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There's no talking to this dipshit. In his mind if you disagree with him, whether you know it or not, you're "hating your own soul". He tries not to laugh and arrogantly pretends he's won the argument no matter how blatantly wrong you prove him to be. Or how frequently. That's why he's banned XJDUB from posting in his threads. Just like all JW's picturing you running from a fireball at Armageddon if you disagree with them.
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8 million people sadly being deceived by a false version of Christianity...and you are complicit in their deception, OP.
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So if they have the false version then what is the true version according to you?

I just love how a person will put down something but not say why or offer something better.

So, again, what is the true version of Christianity?
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Show me God's international Christian congregation
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The Catholic Church. Universal. 1.2 billion members

Founded by Jesus himself...

...and the gates of hell are not prevailing against it for 2000+ years.

Drop the mic
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No. That is a pagan religion with a Christian veneer. It was not founded by Jesus. It is satanic.
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What did the early Bible students believe would happen in 1914?

Who was Ray Franz, and why was he disfellowshipped?

Why do Jehovah’s Witnesses have such a poor record on child abuse?

Why was the Watchtower Society affiliated with the United Nations for nine years?

What is the biblical justification for having a secret elder’s manual?

On what basis were the Bible Students selected as God’s Organization in 1919?

What is the scriptural justification for believing in “new light”?

Is the good news being preached in “all the inhabited earth”? (Mt 24:14)

Is there a scriptural reason for family members to be shunned?

How is the Governing Body any different from the Pope?

What year did Watchtower abandon the worship of both Jehovah and Jesus in favor of only Jehovah through Jesus?

When Gerrit Losch, the longest serving member of the governing body, was given the opportunity to defend your organization’s policy on child sexual abuse in a court ordered deposition what did he do?

How can I trust Watchtower regarding life threatening situations when it has taken a variety of stances on medical issues over the years?

Why do their bound volumes and ‘Watchtower Library’ present changes to some articles compared to the wording in their initial printing?

Prior to adopting the practice in 1952 how did Jehovah’s Witnesses view disfellowshipping/shunning?

Has Watchtower ever knowingly violated copyright laws?

Does Watchtower ever deliberately misquote its sources?

Must I be one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to escape God’s wrath that will kill billions at Armageddon?

Are Jehovah’s Witnesses the happiest people on earth?
 Quoting: XJDUB


So you are just spamming him? That is insane. Why not just go for one question at a time and flesh that out? Looks like you aren't here to have a serious conversation but to just argue.
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Its a cult and you know it....Read Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is God almighty.Repent!
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No. Jesus is God's son. God didn't die for us. God's son did. Jesus is not his own dad.

The trinity is from pagan religious beliefs. So being non-trinitarian is one the doctrines JW's have definitely gotten right.
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That's awesome! If only everyone studied the Bible. I think it would make a big difference in how people treat other people. The scriptures can make better people.
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That's awesome! If only everyone studied the Bible. I think it would make a big difference in how people treat other people. The scriptures can make better people.
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If only the world would follow this:


Love for Enemies

Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
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Its a cult and you know it....Read Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is God almighty.Repent!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72763308

No. Jesus is God's son. God didn't die for us. God's son did. Jesus is not his own dad.

The trinity is from pagan religious beliefs. So being non-trinitarian is one the doctrines JW's have definitely gotten right.
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No, it's from the Gospel of John.

as well as a few other things that don't exist in any of the 3 gospels that were written before it, like..

The author of the gospel of John is the only one to believe that Jesus was God, the only one to say that Jesus himself made that claim, the only one to mention the trinity and the only one to say that Jesus always existed and that he was always a divine being.

In the Gospel of John, Jesus does not become the son of god at the baptism as in Mark and is not born of a virgin as in Matthew and Luke.
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Its a cult and you know it....Read Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is God almighty.Repent!
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No. Jesus is God's son. God didn't die for us. God's son did. Jesus is not his own dad.

The trinity is from pagan religious beliefs. So being non-trinitarian is one the doctrines JW's have definitely gotten right.
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No, it's from the Gospel of John.

as well as a few other things that don't exist in any of the 3 gospels that were written before it, like..

The author of the gospel of John is the only one to believe that Jesus was God, the only one to say that Jesus himself made that claim, the only one to mention the trinity and the only one to say that Jesus always existed and that he was always a divine being.

In the Gospel of John, Jesus does not become the son of god at the baptism as in Mark and is not born of a virgin as in Matthew and Luke.
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Interesting. But it was taken from pagan beliefs as well because Constantine was trying to bring peace by merging pagan and Christian beliefs together. That is where immortal soul and hell fire doctrine come from as well.
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Its a cult and you know it....Read Isaiah 9:6
Jesus is God almighty.Repent!
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No. Jesus is God's son. God didn't die for us. God's son did. Jesus is not his own dad.

The trinity is from pagan religious beliefs. So being non-trinitarian is one the doctrines JW's have definitely gotten right.
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No, it's from the Gospel of John.

as well as a few other things that don't exist in any of the 3 gospels that were written before it, like..

The author of the gospel of John is the only one to believe that Jesus was God, the only one to say that Jesus himself made that claim, the only one to mention the trinity and the only one to say that Jesus always existed and that he was always a divine being.

In the Gospel of John, Jesus does not become the son of god at the baptism as in Mark and is not born of a virgin as in Matthew and Luke.
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Interesting. But it was taken from pagan beliefs as well because Constantine was trying to bring peace by merging pagan and Christian beliefs together. That is where immortal soul and hell fire doctrine come from as well.
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Constatine was 160-170 years later, there were a lot of beliefs that merged with others and even their gods too.
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Believe it or not the studies are actually enjoyable and you don't even need a harp or a cross.
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And they believe that only 9,000 of those 8 million get to go to heaven.

There are 144,000 total, but only 9,000 are alive right now. The rest aren't damned... but they are not part of "The Body"




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The Witnesses say these people represent the Church of Christ, the Israel of God, and this is a common view among Bible scholars, one that has had a long history in the interpretation of Revelation. The 144,000 are taken as a symbol of the Christian faithful. It is what Witnesses say next that is bizarre.

Supposedly God began collecting the 144,000 at Pentecost in A.D. 33 but stopped collecting them in 1935, when the full number was reached. Some of the 144,000 are still living, and they are all Jehovah's Witnesses. As of 1986 there were only about 9,000 of the 144,000 left alive. Since the Jehovah's Witnesses are a larger group, possessing several million members, how are the rest of the Witnesses regarded? As non-members of the body of Christ. They will still be saved in the end, but they will not be part of the body and will not go to heaven. They are considered part of the "great crowd" mentioned in Revelation 7:9-10.





They also talk about this on wikipedia... so I guess that makes it official.

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And they believe that only 9,000 of those 8 million get to go to heaven.

There are 144,000 total, but only 9,000 are alive right now. The rest aren't damned... but they are not part of "The Body"




[link to www.catholic.com (secure)]


The Witnesses say these people represent the Church of Christ, the Israel of God, and this is a common view among Bible scholars, one that has had a long history in the interpretation of Revelation. The 144,000 are taken as a symbol of the Christian faithful. It is what Witnesses say next that is bizarre.

Supposedly God began collecting the 144,000 at Pentecost in A.D. 33 but stopped collecting them in 1935, when the full number was reached. Some of the 144,000 are still living, and they are all Jehovah's Witnesses. As of 1986 there were only about 9,000 of the 144,000 left alive. Since the Jehovah's Witnesses are a larger group, possessing several million members, how are the rest of the Witnesses regarded? As non-members of the body of Christ. They will still be saved in the end, but they will not be part of the body and will not go to heaven. They are considered part of the "great crowd" mentioned in Revelation 7:9-10.





They also talk about this on wikipedia... so I guess that makes it official.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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They believe the rest of them will live on a paradise earth which Adam and Eve lost for us and those that are dead will be resurrected to that earth. That is why Jesus was performing resurrections on earth to show what he will do during his thousand year reign.

Until Adam and Eve lost perfection for us all and the paradise, heaven was not meant for humans. But some humans will form a government with Jesus to reign over the new earth. They will be judges along with Jesus.

That is what I learned when reading the Bible.
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And they believe that only 9,000 of those 8 million get to go to heaven.

There are 144,000 total, but only 9,000 are alive right now. The rest aren't damned... but they are not part of "The Body"




[link to www.catholic.com (secure)]


The Witnesses say these people represent the Church of Christ, the Israel of God, and this is a common view among Bible scholars, one that has had a long history in the interpretation of Revelation. The 144,000 are taken as a symbol of the Christian faithful. It is what Witnesses say next that is bizarre.

Supposedly God began collecting the 144,000 at Pentecost in A.D. 33 but stopped collecting them in 1935, when the full number was reached. Some of the 144,000 are still living, and they are all Jehovah's Witnesses. As of 1986 there were only about 9,000 of the 144,000 left alive. Since the Jehovah's Witnesses are a larger group, possessing several million members, how are the rest of the Witnesses regarded? As non-members of the body of Christ. They will still be saved in the end, but they will not be part of the body and will not go to heaven. They are considered part of the "great crowd" mentioned in Revelation 7:9-10.





They also talk about this on wikipedia... so I guess that makes it official.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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They believe the rest of them will live on a paradise earth which Adam and Eve lost for us and those that are dead will be resurrected to that earth. That is why Jesus was performing resurrections on earth to show what he will do during his thousand year reign.

Until Adam and Eve lost perfection for us all and the paradise, heaven was not meant for humans. But some humans will form a government with Jesus to reign over the new earth. They will be judges along with Jesus.

That is what I learned when reading the Bible.
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When Adam and Eve...
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The Jehovah's Witness cult demonstrates how psychosis can be induced in millions of people. When you study with JWs, they
create the questions for you, your own questions are dismissed as trivial and unimportant. It's all about getting a person to abandon their sense of self so that cult thinking can restructure their thought processes.





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