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WTF???? Australia's carp herpes plan dubbed 'serious risk to global food security'

 
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WTF???? Australia's carp herpes plan dubbed 'serious risk to global food security'
UK academics say introduction of herpes virus could also cause ‘catastrophic ecosystem crashes’ in Australia
A truckload of dead carp collected from the Murray river in South Australia

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Friday 24 February 2017 06.14 AEDT Last modified on Friday 24 February 2017 06.16 AEDT


Scientists in Britain have raised concerns about Australia’s $15m plan to release a herpes virus in the nation’s largest river system to eradicate carp, saying it poses a serious risk to global food security, could cause “catastrophic ecosystem crashes” in Australia, and is unlikely to control carp numbers long term.

In a letter published in the Nature Ecology and Evolution journal this week, University of East Anglia researchers Dr Jackie Lighten and Prof Cock van Oosterhout say the “irreversible high-risk proposal” could have “serious ecological, environmental, and economic ramifications.”

The Australian government allocated $15m in the 2016 budget to a national carp control plan, centred around a plan to release the koi herpes virus into the Murray-Darling river system to kill common carp, or Cyprinus carpio.

It followed extensive research by the CSIRO, which conducted seven years of tests to ensure that native fish, birds, amphibians, and other species in the river system could not contract the virus.

Lighten and van Oosterhout say the use of the carp herpes virus should not be compared to the release of the myxomatosis virus to control the rabbit population, arguing: “compared with the biocontrol of terrestrial vertebrates, the biocontrol of large, highly fecund aquatic animals such as carp adds novel risks.”


Australia commits $15m in bid to eradicate carp using herpes virus

They argue that laboratory tests “cannot rule out the possibility of cross-infection” and that the virus will have “an enormous evolutionary potential” once released in the wild, and could evolve to attack other species.

FULL ARTICLE:
[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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UK academics say introduction of herpes virus could also cause ‘catastrophic ecosystem crashes’ in Australia
A truckload of dead carp collected from the Murray river in South Australia

Calla Wahlquist
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Friday 24 February 2017 06.14 AEDT Last modified on Friday 24 February 2017 06.16 AEDT


Scientists in Britain have raised concerns about Australia’s $15m plan to release a herpes virus in the nation’s largest river system to eradicate carp, saying it poses a serious risk to global food security, could cause “catastrophic ecosystem crashes” in Australia, and is unlikely to control carp numbers long term.

In a letter published in the Nature Ecology and Evolution journal this week, University of East Anglia researchers Dr Jackie Lighten and Prof Cock van Oosterhout say the “irreversible high-risk proposal” could have “serious ecological, environmental, and economic ramifications.”

The Australian government allocated $15m in the 2016 budget to a national carp control plan, centred around a plan to release the koi herpes virus into the Murray-Darling river system to kill common carp, or Cyprinus carpio.

It followed extensive research by the CSIRO, which conducted seven years of tests to ensure that native fish, birds, amphibians, and other species in the river system could not contract the virus.

Lighten and van Oosterhout say the use of the carp herpes virus should not be compared to the release of the myxomatosis virus to control the rabbit population, arguing: “compared with the biocontrol of terrestrial vertebrates, the biocontrol of large, highly fecund aquatic animals such as carp adds novel risks.”


Australia commits $15m in bid to eradicate carp using herpes virus

They argue that laboratory tests “cannot rule out the possibility of cross-infection” and that the virus will have “an enormous evolutionary potential” once released in the wild, and could evolve to attack other species.

FULL ARTICLE:
[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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NUTZO
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What they gonna do?

Dangle hillarys flaps in the water or something?
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What they gonna do?

Dangle hillarys flaps in the water or something?
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laugh

just pour huge amounts in?

pre-infect some fish?

herpies epidemic on the way.....
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What they gonna do?

Dangle hillarys flaps in the water or something?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74197980


laugh

just pour huge amounts in?

pre-infect some fish?

herpies epidemic on the way.....
 Quoting: CitizenPerth


Ahh...so it will be similar to Sydney and Melbourne then...but for fish?
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Pusbags!
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Just toss some corium in......
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Just toss some corium in......
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Or get Turnbull to piss in the river.
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Just toss some corium in......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74168740


Or get Turnbull to piss in the river.
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toss them all in... that'll kill anything...
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Laugh all you want

But they've fucked this place

And continue to..


Hahahahaha huh
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Yeah because that worked so well with cane toads!
Fucking idiots
Why not net the shit out of that waterway, at the same time as releasing native fish stocks back in.

Gross waste of money spending on the golden haired child of science in this fucking country.

Bit tired of their stupidity.

I'm almost convinced the negative impact some are making on people and land here is deliberate.
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My home is this river system - the Murray River
One of biggest in southern hemisphere
I've camped from top(alpine) to ocean mouth


Netting is impossible - folk are catching carp all day long
They then throw them on the banks
Cos their their eggs remain living long after parent is dead

There must be easier ways than releasing disease

Nop system likes to treat the symptoms

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bump
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Fucking Aussi's.

A once proud country has become a complete joke in every way.


WTF happened?

Where are the men?
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'' Pull It ''
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I probably don't understand, but why do they want to get rid of the carp? If there are too many, just catch them and turn them into fillets. BTW the skins can also be used as fish leather. Carp are considered a delicacy in Central Europe, heck, it's the national dish in the Czech Republic on Christmas Eve.

Releasing a virus into the wild would be very short-sighted. What could possibly go wrong, right?
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Fucking Aussi's.

A once proud country has become a complete joke in every way.


WTF happened?

Where are the men?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62392185


Watching footy in their stubbies

Screaming "you little beauty!!!" at the the tv screen

splat5
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holy shit what are 1 billion Chinese gonna eat????
Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance!

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These carp have dirty flavour
They scoop from muddy bottom

So their flesh is shit
Have heard if they are transplanted to clean water tanks
Then yes, it becomes ok for eating
Some are yuuuge
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Australia have a history of fucking up pretty much most things they do and one of those they monumentally fuck up every times is the eradication of a species.

so, without a doubt, there will be consequences, they never will be the same and everyone will be laughing when australia done goofed again.
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This is why you never allow bill or Hillary clinton

to go swimming in your lakes or rivers.
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These carp have dirty flavour
They scoop from muddy bottom

So their flesh is shit
Have heard if they are transplanted to clean water tanks
Then yes, it becomes ok for eating
Some are yuuuge
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thats why we feed them to the Chineses they are

the only ones that eat carp
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UK academics say introduction of herpes virus could also cause ‘catastrophic ecosystem crashes’ in Australia
A truckload of dead carp collected from the Murray river in South Australia

Calla Wahlquist
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Friday 24 February 2017 06.14 AEDT Last modified on Friday 24 February 2017 06.16 AEDT


Scientists in Britain have raised concerns about Australia’s $15m plan to release a herpes virus in the nation’s largest river system to eradicate carp, saying it poses a serious risk to global food security, could cause “catastrophic ecosystem crashes” in Australia, and is unlikely to control carp numbers long term.

In a letter published in the Nature Ecology and Evolution journal this week, University of East Anglia researchers Dr Jackie Lighten and Prof Cock van Oosterhout say the “irreversible high-risk proposal” could have “serious ecological, environmental, and economic ramifications.”

The Australian government allocated $15m in the 2016 budget to a national carp control plan, centred around a plan to release the koi herpes virus into the Murray-Darling river system to kill common carp, or Cyprinus carpio.

It followed extensive research by the CSIRO, which conducted seven years of tests to ensure that native fish, birds, amphibians, and other species in the river system could not contract the virus.

Lighten and van Oosterhout say the use of the carp herpes virus should not be compared to the release of the myxomatosis virus to control the rabbit population, arguing: “compared with the biocontrol of terrestrial vertebrates, the biocontrol of large, highly fecund aquatic animals such as carp adds novel risks.”


Australia commits $15m in bid to eradicate carp using herpes virus

They argue that laboratory tests “cannot rule out the possibility of cross-infection” and that the virus will have “an enormous evolutionary potential” once released in the wild, and could evolve to attack other species.

FULL ARTICLE:
[link to www.theguardian.com (secure)]

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This is a very, very bad idea!

Viruses are by definition always mutating, and you know what that means!

Especially bad because of the extremely unique Australian ecosystem found nowhere else on the planet!!
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every 'eco-engineering' stunt AUtralia has pulled has backfired massively and caused a greater problem than that which was being tackled.

They consistantly have fucked up in this regard.

It is a fact and a part of historical record.

For the love of god do not let Australian eco engineers fuck up again.


They always do.

always.

and it gets worse and worse.

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Good grief.

I will never return to Australia.

Do you know the poor farmers there are not allowed to shoot the parrots that come in THOUSANDS - AND THEY ARE BIG - to eat everything - grain, fruit, you name it.
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Gulped the bird
To eat the spider
Cos we swallowed a fly
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Gulped the bird
To eat the spider
Cos we swallowed a fly
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its simple

Has every bio engineering effort by Australia massilvley backfired?

YES

Wait, every single one?

YES

Badly?

YES, WORSE THAN THEY COULD HAVE EVER IMAGINED

So, should they be allowed to try this new bio engineering project, to cut down Carp numbers?

FUCK NO
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP
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You might not have heard of or seen any successes

Rabbit numbers have been reduced
They bait foxes,

The koalas they moved to Kangaroo Island
Became so abundant they developed
A type of AIDS
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they should just put a bounty on the carps head
like a dollar a carp
carp problem gone in couple years
open the area up to people

i live in Alberta Canada that's what we did for rats and our province has been rat free for over a hundred years

cockroach free too
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might cost 10-20 million depending how bad the problem is but maybe you could feed dogs or something with the meat

and fish hook sales would off set the cost lol
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they should just put a bounty on the carps head
like a dollar a carp
carp problem gone in couple years
open the area up to people

i live in Alberta Canada that's what we did for rats and our province has been rat free for over a hundred years

cockroach free too
 Quoting: dean007


Good idea... but instead of money..a dozen carp gets ya a sixpack.





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