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IMPORTANT! From a Native American Elder - relevant perspective for you people!

 
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IMPORTANT! From a Native American Elder - relevant perspective for you people!
Please take the time out of your day, should not be more than 4 minutes, to read this transcription of a conversation with a native American elder. It is relevant in many ways to the feelings of a great part of the people!

"I think the most important thing for white people is freedom. The most important thing for Indian people is honor. This is why white people have listened to the black people more than to us Indians. The black people want freedom, too, just like white people. And since the white people took freedom from the black people, the whites feel guilty about the blacks. You see what I'm saying?

But the Indian has always been free. We are free today. We have always been freer than the white man, even when he first came here. When you came to our shore your people wore clothes made out of chains. Our people wore nothing at all. Yet you tried to bring us freedom.

The white world puts all the power at the top. When someone gets to the top, they have the power to take your freedom. When your people first came to our land they were trying to get away from those people at the top. But they still thought the same, and soon there were new people at the top in the new country. It is just the way you were taught to think.

In your churches there is someone at the top. In your schools, too. In your government. In your business. There is always someone at the top and that person has the right to say whether you are good or bad. They own you.

No wonder Americans always worry about freedom. You have so damn little of it. If you don't protect it, someone will take it away from you. You have to guard it every second, like a dog guards a bone.

When you came among us, you couldn't understand our way. You wanted to find the person at the top. You wanted to find the fences that bound us in- how far our land went, how far our government went. Your world was made of cages and you thought ours was, too. Even though you hated your cages you believed in them. They defined your world and you needed them to define ours.

Our old people noticed this from the beginning. They said that the white man lived in a world of cages, and that if we didn't look out, they would make us live in a world of cages too.

So we started noticing. Everything looked like cages. Your clothes fit like cages. Your houses looked like cages. You put fences around your yards so they looked like cages. Everything was a cage. You turned the land into cages. Little squares.

Then after you had all these cages you made a government to protect these cages. And that government was all cages. All laws about what you couldn't do. The only freedom you had was inside your own cage. Then you wondered why you weren't happy and didn't feel free. You made all the cages, then you wondered why you didn't feel free.

We Indians never thought that way. Everyone was free. We didn't make cages of laws or land. We believed in honor. To us the white man looked like a blind man walking. He knew he was on the wrong path when he bumped into the edge of one of the cages. Our guide was inside, not outside. It was honor. It was more important for us to know what was right than to know what was wrong.

We looked at the animals and saw what was right. We saw how the deer would trick the more powerful animals and how the bear would make her children strong by running them without mercy. We saw how the buffalo would stand and watch until it understood. We saw how every animal had wisdom and we tried to learn that wisdom. We would look to them to see how they got along and how they raised their young. Then we would copy them. We did not look for what was wrong. Instead we always reached for what was right.

It was this search that kept us on a good path, not rules and fences. We wanted honor for ourselves and our families. We wanted others to say, 'He is a good man. He is as brave as the bear' or 'as clean as the fox.' We had freedom so we did not seek it. We sought honor, and honor was duty. The man who sought freedom was just running from duty, so he was weak.





This excerpt was taken from a book called Neither Wolf Nor Dog, an account of conversations with a Native American elder. It has affected many people very deeply. You can buy it for a cent online and 4 dollars shipping in many places. I recommend you read it.

God bless you all

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Nicely wrote. Drugs and achol are the chains of so many. The worse enslavement is of chemical addiction. The whites have the same addictions but have more resources to deal with it.
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Got to love historical revisionism. The Amerindians of today, are a domesticated people. Research, "Mourning War's".
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"White teachers from the Blue Stars" - Hopi
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most Beautiful people that ever have been

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Got to love historical revisionism. The Amerindians of today, are a domesticated people. Research, "Mourning War's".
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There is wisdom available if you listen.

Truth has no color, no face, no skin, no ethnicity.

I hope you aren't one of those people who have no hope for making the world a better place. It is this sort of stinking thinking that is allowing depravity to become normal amongst people who once glimpsed of a bright future and now wondered if it was only a dream... the folks of the past had hope for their children, and their children's children.

Are we going to let the hopes and sacrifices of all of the many many thousands of years of our ancestors go to waste with our irresponsibility?

There is still time... please be open to thinking differently and learning...
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there is reason to believe native peoples are remnants left behind from mining and resource expeditions from the Middle East…

native tribes were often at war with each other and prone to some pretty hideous behavior… which included killing any indians who converted to Christ…

if there is a God, maybe there is more to life than just warring, whoring and hunting? maybe we have a purpose?

why do you think the shamans and chiefs of many tribes knew white people were coming and that their days were numbered?

do you think the plagues in Europe were an accident? or perhaps part of a larger orchestration of the stage of history?
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"Let us put our minds together and see what life we can make for our children"
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Please people... do not direct your mind in the direction of defeatism...

Do you know what defeatism is? It is willing to accept defeat.

You still have doubts about the ultimate goodness of humanity? Why is it that the vast majority of people enjoy watching movies and hearing stories of good winning out over evil? Lord of the Rings? Star Wars? You think if people were truly evil deep down that they could have even made it this far?

NO! Your doubt makes you powerless.

You want to believe people are good? Then BE A GOOD PERSON and see what it does for the people around you. You want to see love? Give it!

We can help each other, we can heal each other, we can work together. There is still time. Don't let your doubt cripple you. What is even the point in drawing out such a depressing meaningless existence? True lasting happiness is shared.... true depression is from a situation... fix the situation!
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As if native Americans had/have no hierarchy...LOL! They do.
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Ah, the myth of the "noble savage". So 1960ish. All natives honorable, honest, with 100% best intentions. All whites selfish, Machiavellian, and greedy. So simple, so intellectually dishonest. So wrong.
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Individuals are individuals... some people murder, some people rape

and then some people love, and some people devote their life to the trying to become the best possible instrument of the highest possible good! And you know how they did it? Looking for the truth... welcoming it... even and especially when it might cause them to have to completely re-evaluate things. There is no shame in mistakes. The only shame is being so afraid of human error that through the power of denial you perpetuate the same problems forever!

Just because one man spoke a good truth, we are to look at his ethnic group and decide whether or not there is efficacy in his words?

What if a murderer were to relay some ultimate truth? Is it wrong?

Truth is truth. It is naked and formless. Greet it, embrace it, it will take you places you want to be
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"White teachers with the Blue Balls" - Hopi
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So true!

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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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Of course, given the track record here, it is easy to see the huffers and puffers coming from a mile away. Welcome

Today's society likes to make you think everything is about color... then you have quite a bit of trouble recognizing truth even when it comes up and smacks you right in the face

Whether these words were spoken by an alien, an animal, an inanimate object... there is truth there to be appreciated.

Don't be so reactionary as the news outlets are. You will become very dense...
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And honestly, please learn about history and do not speak so bluntly. You have no idea what it feels like for the Native people of any country to have been completely slaughtered and wiped out and then completely misunderstood, so do not pretend to know the truth that absolves you of guilt

Maybe you are supposed to feel guilty. Maybe guilt is supposed to teach us what is wrong so that we do what is right. Stop running. Face the facts.
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"Let us put our minds together and see what life we can make for our children"
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There is hope, there is hope. Keep the hope alive and it can grow into your thoughts, your actions, your very life. There is hope!

"My heart is filled with anger.
My heart is filled with anger.
It is like the prairie fire that burns.
I send my anger like smoke to the heavens.
The earth is crying now.
The earth is crying now.
We need to stop her tears.
Fire will not stop her tears.
This song is for my grandfathers.
I sing this song for my grandfathers."

Hate and Anger are the opium of the masses

We are all in this together. Whether we as humans will survive, or perish, it is together...

Amen
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"you people"

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This is a beautiful post. Thank you O.P.

I sure do wish the people would have listened to the Native American people. What a different world this would be indeed. We would be so happy. Not living out of balance and in a not natural way.

I was meant to be one of them. I wonder if they would adopt me.
I could tell them my spiritual knowledge and wisdom and I think they would keep me.
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What a crock of shit!

Sounds like it was written by maxine waters pretending to be elizebeth warren pretending to be an indian!
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"you people"

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you people. us people. those people. these people. we are people. people are people. we're all people. get over it. the words weren't meant to divide. are you even reading this thread?
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Intellectually dishonest.
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-snipped

This excerpt was taken from a book called Neither Wolf Nor Dog, an account of conversations with a Native American elder.

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The excerpt quoted was written by Kent Nerburn, the Indian elder was known as Dan.

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What a crock of shit!

Sounds like it was written by maxine waters pretending to be elizebeth warren pretending to be an indian!
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haha. thanks for your opinion.

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What a crock of shit!

Sounds like it was written by maxine waters pretending to be elizebeth warren pretending to be an indian!
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hesright

OP= asshole
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please folks, you can get worked up about some brown person saying things about brown people and white people, but there is more to it than that

if you are going to enter and leave this thread pissed off, at least contribute your opinion on this, which I am eager to know.

Do you have hope for the future our society? Where are we going?

And if you don't, is that why you aren't doing anything about it?
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Of course, given the track record here, it is easy to see the huffers and puffers coming from a mile away. Welcome

Today's society likes to make you think everything is about color... then you have quite a bit of trouble recognizing truth even when it comes up and smacks you right in the face

Whether these words were spoken by an alien, an animal, an inanimate object... there is truth there to be appreciated.

Don't be so reactionary as the news outlets are. You will become very dense...
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It was this native elder who injected "race" into it. "We see the ways of the white man."
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Dan? Jewish Native American???
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most Beautiful people that ever have been

~ Bless you
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Is that why so many white people claim to have Cherokee in them?
Why are white people obsessed with being "Mexican"?

Because that's what Mexicans are. White with native American?


And the white people who claim to have Native in them, why don't you just call yourselves Latino?
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Of course, given the track record here, it is easy to see the huffers and puffers coming from a mile away. Welcome

Today's society likes to make you think everything is about color... then you have quite a bit of trouble recognizing truth even when it comes up and smacks you right in the face

Whether these words were spoken by an alien, an animal, an inanimate object... there is truth there to be appreciated.

Don't be so reactionary as the news outlets are. You will become very dense...
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It was this native elder who injected "race" into it. "We see the ways of the white man."
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it's a simplification intended to talk about the difference in PHILOSOPHIES which ran TWO SEPARATE SOCIETIES with TWO DIFFERENT MODUS OPERANDI. The white one came from Europe, obviously. One destroyed the each other. Don't be so dense.

Lighten up folks. There is hope. Smarten up, lighten up.






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