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Many sources inside the military industrial complex have
related to me that after John Kennedy was shown the flying saucer technology early in his Presidency, he realized that the advances in technology promised
by the flying saucers could solve many of the pressing problems of the world.

He saw that releasing this exotic technology would point the way towards cheap and environmentally friendly energy among other things.

Soon after seeing the flying saucer technology, JFK made his famous speech asking NASA to land a man on the moon before the decade was out.

Many insiders believed that this was a ploy by JFK to get NASA, and the secret government, to release their saucer technologies. Since it was obvious to everyone that standard rocket technology could not get man to the moon and back, JFK may have thought that NASA would be forced to release the knowledge of the technology behind the flying saucers in order to fulfill his vision and get to the moon by the end of the 1960s. JFKs ploy was therefore intended to free this advanced technology from the insidious hands of the shadow government.

After the assassination of Kennedy in 1963, NASA began a new plan that would solve the problem that JFK initiated. This new plan would allow NASA, and the shadow government, to keep the saucer technology secret and to
still make it look like standard rocketry had taken man to the moon and back.
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This actually makes sense, especially in the light of Kennedy's anti-secrecy speech. I think people will agree:

1) that Kennedy did oppose the secret government.
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Except in reality JFK only announced the effort to go to the Moon AFTER NASA said they could do it.

2) that science books from the 1950's show that the conventional understanding was that to reach the Moon with rocket technology, one would have to build a space station as an intermediate point, etc. Even Werner Von Braun promoted that approach. In other words, no one expected a regular rocket to go to and from the Moon.
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If you look at the context, that was using the direct ascent approach.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
Instead they used the lunar-orbit rendezvous method which allows for a smaller rocket.
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STANLEY KUBRICK - SHINING CODE - DETAILS ABOUT APOLLO 'FAKE' MISSION IN KUBRICK'S FILM, "THE SHINING"
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1897079


Really having to dig deep into conspiracy THEORY to reach that conclusion huh?

As a teenager, I got to shake Dr. Edgar Mitchell's hand at a conference my father (25 yr USAF Korean/Vietnam veteran) took me. It was his talk about his NASA career and science that got me interested in getting pursuing electronics/computer science. He definitely earned my respect and trust, especially on his later statements regarding UFO's, ET's and Roswell.

You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, "Look at that, you son of a bitch."
 Mitchell on seeing the Earth from the Moon.
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The astronauts may actually have thought they DID go to the moon. Give them enough of certain types of drugs, hypnosis, mental conditioning and you could probably convince them they were James Kirk on The Enterprise. We have to go with PHYSICAL facts rather than what people say. The physical facts support that we did NOT go to the moon. The LEM, only flown once on earth, was a sad joke.
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The LM was never flown on Earth. It was designed for flight only in low gravity and a vacuum. It was tested in space on Apollo 9 and 10.

You are probably thinking of the LLTV and LLRV. Those were training vehicles used to simulate the lower gravity. They flew much more than once. There were hundreds of successful flights.

Thanks again for proving that hoaxies know the least about the subject.
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Whenever I think of the moon landing bullshit I always think of the James Bond movie "Diamonds are Forever". In that movie, there's a sequence where James Bond gets into a complex in the desert where they're shooting.....moon videos. With a lunar capsule and astronauts and rovers....it looks just the kind of set up that they might actually have used to film this bullshit. Bond ends up stealing one of the Rovers to escape the bad guys and breaks out of the complex into the real desert.

And that probably is as good a summation of our moon "landing" as any.....
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"your" Moon landing maybe...my generation, and ones before it, actually learned stuff in school, and didn't need a handheld brain to do their higher brain functions for them......because you haven't a clue how things work in the real world is not our problem.
To win an argument, you need to understand both sides...and you don't.
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Don't throw your condescending bullshit at me. I'm over 60 fucking years old and I watched the moon "landing" on TV. This was an OBVIOUS FRAUD when you examine the actual physical details, like this researcher does in this excellent video. There are things like the space clearances in the LEM and the door space, etc, that you simply cannot explain away. IT'S A PHYSICAL REALITY. You can't fit 2 astronauts 3 feet deep through a door that's only 2 feet deep. The clearances here are grossly insufficient. [/qquote]
Sure, let's just ignore the many pics and videos that show them going through the door. Collier lied to you and you bought it hook, line, and sinker.

And who would use an LEM that had only flown on earth ONCE and according to the video nearly blew up that time, almost killing Neil Armstrong?

 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485

Again, the LM did not fly on Earth. It DID fly in space on Apollo 9 and 10. You are referring to the training vehicles, the LLRV and the LLTV. There were hundreds of successful flights. Armstrongs accident was due to an unrelated technical problem of a prototype.

Why are there no stars in these videos?
 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485

Because there shouldn't be. Stars are relatively dim compared to sunlit objects.

How can we clearly see blue sky through the module windows?
 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485

You don't. You see glare from one of the coatings on the glass.

How can there be dust clouds on the moon with no atmosphere?
 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485

There aren't. In fact we do see dust moving in neat parabolic arcs without clouding, which could only happen in a vacuum.

Why is the earth the wrong size?
 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485

Compared to what? Do you realize that the lens used affects the apparent size of the object? Pics from the surface had a wide field of view because they used wide angle lenses. Do the math on the field of view with pics that show the Earth and it takes up about 2 degrees every time, as it should.
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Gee, that looks bigger than 2 feet to me. Of course I know that Collier lied.
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hasselblad camera film would've MELTED in 250f
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Unevidenced ASSertion.

radioactive solar particles would've gone right through the cameras and
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Unevidenced ASSertion.


This is all antique recycled B.S.

Got some fresh B.S.?
Stuff that hasn't been refuted and debunked ten thousand times?
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The LM egress hatch measured 32" by 32"...there were earlier prototypes with smaller hatches, but weren't flown in the manned program.
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refutation of Collier's claims

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Gee, that looks bigger than 2 feet to me. Of course I know that Collier lied.
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I watched that Collier piece, what a condescending ignoramus...such incredulity while spouting sheer nonsense.

I hope he doesn't drive a car and stuff...
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48586632


Gee, that looks bigger than 2 feet to me. Of course I know that Collier lied.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799


I watched that Collier piece, what a condescending ignoramus...such incredulity while spouting sheer nonsense.

I hope he doesn't drive a car and stuff...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48586632


Well, he's been dead for a while so if he was driving a car that would be impressive. cool2
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799


To expand on this, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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So I'm finishing up on this video, which is outstanding, btw, and the film maker points out something absolutely remarkable.

On 1.18.11 (roughly) of the film, the astronauts are shown in a specific area, said to be 1 kilometer west of the module, doing some experiments. The researcher (who did the video) says to pay very close attention to this setting and the rocks there....as we will see them again. There's a rock in the middle that looks, as the researcher describes it, like an alligator opening its mouth. Not sure I'd describe it like that, but it's very distinctive, and right in the middle of a distinctive set of rocks, from left to right. It's unique.

Then next day the astronauts are sent in ANOTHER direction, south 4 km, to do more exploring. And at 1.20.40 in the film....what landscape do they run into (now remember - this is an entirely different direction and distance)....THE SAME SET OF ROCKS INCLUDING THE UNUSUAL ONE IN THE MIDDLE!!!!!

I took screenshots of both and it IS the same location.

So what does this mean? IT MEANS THEY WERE ON A SET.

Again, you don't need a degree or theoretical understanding to catch this and understand it. You just need to watch the film and see that it is the SAME LOCATION, despite our being told it's two different days, directions and distance!!!!

It doesn't get much plainer than this. NASA being caught in a blatant lie. How big is the lie? Does this mean we NEVER went to the moon? I don't know. Does it mean no manned flights to the moon? I don't know. All I know is that NASA has been caught in MANY LIES on this topic (and others) and this is one of the best. You can see it YOURSELF.
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else. Who did the documentarian GET THE INFO FROM to be able to place these astronauts? And why is the footage leading into the 2nd one different? They interspliced entire scenes from wrong days? I don't think so. I think they showed exactly what they got from NASA with the commentary. WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?
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No, what it means is they were the same EVA but a different third party documentary made the mistake of calling them different EVAs and Collier never checked his source. NASA never made the claim that the footage claim from two different EVAs
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else. Who did the documentarian GET THE INFO FROM to be able to place these astronauts? And why is the footage leading into the 2nd one different? They interspliced entire scenes from wrong days? I don't think so. I think they showed exactly what they got from NASA with the commentary. WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?
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Because it couldn't have possibly just been an editing mistake, right?

AGAIN, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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People, watch the video. This is only one of many that clearly show that NASA lied repeatedly about these moon shots. How far we got to the moon, if at all, I don't know. But I do know much, if not most, if not all, of what we've been shown over the years is just a collection of LIES. Why should you believe the govt told the truth on this when they've demonstrably lied about every other major thing for the past 50 years or more?

Watch and judge for yourselves. And watch some of the other videos there too - Cooper's will be my next one.
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No, it doesn't mean that. He's showing the actual NASA documentary with the ACTUAL NASA narrator saying exactly where they are each day. And we run into THE SAME LANDSCAPE. This is not Collier's "mistake"....it is NASA showing and saying this. NASA was caught in a LIE.

People, go watch this video yourself, especially check out those two areas I designate in the last post 1.18 and 1.20 - thereabouts, and you'll see that this is from NASA'S FILM ITSELF, NOT from Collier.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else. Who did the documentarian GET THE INFO FROM to be able to place these astronauts? And why is the footage leading into the 2nd one different? They interspliced entire scenes from wrong days? I don't think so. I think they showed exactly what they got from NASA with the commentary. WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?
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Because it couldn't have possibly just been an editing mistake, right?

AGAIN, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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And of course, NASA would not be at all involved in making that documentary...one wonders where the documentarian got not only the film, but the descriptions that go with the locations. And NASA didn't check the film before it was released for errors because...well, they're just so fucking cautious. And of course....after the film was released, NASA again didn't note that this was an error and made them look like they were LYING....which they ARE, of course.

NASA is just so damned precise! And they didn't pay any attention to documentaries that film makers made at that time about their coveted moon bullshit.
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AGAIN, the documentary was not made by NASA. A third party made the mistake and Collier didn't check his source. NASA did not make the claim.
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else. Who did the documentarian GET THE INFO FROM to be able to place these astronauts? And why is the footage leading into the 2nd one different? They interspliced entire scenes from wrong days? I don't think so. I think they showed exactly what they got from NASA with the commentary. WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?
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Because it couldn't have possibly just been an editing mistake, right?

AGAIN, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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And of course, NASA would not be at all involved in making that documentary...one wonders where the documentarian got not only the film, but the descriptions that go with the locations. And NASA didn't check the film before it was released for errors because...well, they're just so fucking cautious. And of course....after the film was released, NASA again didn't note that this was an error and made them look like they were LYING....which they ARE, of course.

NASA is just so damned precise! And they didn't pay any attention to documentaries that film makers made at that time about their coveted moon bullshit.
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So now NASA should be involved in all phases and be more involved than the director? Of a third party project? You just can't admit that NASA had nothing to do with the claim, can you?
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else. Who did the documentarian GET THE INFO FROM to be able to place these astronauts? And why is the footage leading into the 2nd one different? They interspliced entire scenes from wrong days? I don't think so. I think they showed exactly what they got from NASA with the commentary. WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY HAVE DONE?
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Because it couldn't have possibly just been an editing mistake, right?

AGAIN, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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And of course, NASA would not be at all involved in making that documentary...one wonders where the documentarian got not only the film, but the descriptions that go with the locations. And NASA didn't check the film before it was released for errors because...well, they're just so fucking cautious. And of course....after the film was released, NASA again didn't note that this was an error and made them look like they were LYING....which they ARE, of course.

NASA is just so damned precise! And they didn't pay any attention to documentaries that film makers made at that time about their coveted moon bullshit.
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So now NASA should be involved in all phases and be more involved than the director? Of a third party project? You just can't admit that NASA had nothing to do with the claim, can you?
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You don't know they weren't involved at all. And I would assume, of course, that they would be HIGHLY involved in any documentary about the moon shots, as the provider of source material, and as the technical advisors on the project. And YES, I WOULD expect them to correct any such OBVIOUS "errors" as this one. I would expect, esp at that time, that NASA would have been highly proprietary and cautious about what film makers were releasing about their projects. Especially as they HAD to be involved with both giving the info and technical advice! To think otherwise would be ludicrous.
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Because it couldn't have possibly just been an editing mistake, right?

AGAIN, if you get the footage from NASA it is clear they are the same EVA. If you check the dialog with the transcript it is clear they are the same EVA. NASA did not make the claim, the maker of the documentary did. It may have been sponsored by NASA but it was not made by them.
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And of course, NASA would not be at all involved in making that documentary...one wonders where the documentarian got not only the film, but the descriptions that go with the locations. And NASA didn't check the film before it was released for errors because...well, they're just so fucking cautious. And of course....after the film was released, NASA again didn't note that this was an error and made them look like they were LYING....which they ARE, of course.

NASA is just so damned precise! And they didn't pay any attention to documentaries that film makers made at that time about their coveted moon bullshit.
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So now NASA should be involved in all phases and be more involved than the director? Of a third party project? You just can't admit that NASA had nothing to do with the claim, can you?
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You don't know they weren't involved at all. And I would assume, of course, that they would be HIGHLY involved in any documentary about the moon shots, as the provider of source material, and as the technical advisors on the project. And YES, I WOULD expect them to correct any such OBVIOUS "errors" as this one. I would expect, esp at that time, that NASA would have been highly proprietary and cautious about what film makers were releasing about their projects. Especially as they HAD to be involved with both giving the info and technical advice! To think otherwise would be ludicrous.
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Or in the real world they provided the footage and then had other things to do besides acting as a second director. The fact remains that the claim they are different EVAs comes ONLY from this third party documentary. NASA does not make this claim and if you get the footage from them it is clear they are not the same EVA or if you check the dialog with the transcript it is also clear they are not the same EVA. You're grasping at straws based on a claim NASA didn't even make. But thanks for the humor.
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And of course, NASA would not be at all involved in making that documentary...one wonders where the documentarian got not only the film, but the descriptions that go with the locations. And NASA didn't check the film before it was released for errors because...well, they're just so fucking cautious. And of course....after the film was released, NASA again didn't note that this was an error and made them look like they were LYING....which they ARE, of course.

NASA is just so damned precise! And they didn't pay any attention to documentaries that film makers made at that time about their coveted moon bullshit.
 Quoting: Mehitable 68162485


So now NASA should be involved in all phases and be more involved than the director? Of a third party project? You just can't admit that NASA had nothing to do with the claim, can you?
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You don't know they weren't involved at all. And I would assume, of course, that they would be HIGHLY involved in any documentary about the moon shots, as the provider of source material, and as the technical advisors on the project. And YES, I WOULD expect them to correct any such OBVIOUS "errors" as this one. I would expect, esp at that time, that NASA would have been highly proprietary and cautious about what film makers were releasing about their projects. Especially as they HAD to be involved with both giving the info and technical advice! To think otherwise would be ludicrous.
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Or in the real world they provided the footage and then had other things to do besides acting as a second director. The fact remains that the claim they are different EVAs comes ONLY from this third party documentary. NASA does not make this claim and if you get the footage from them it is clear they are not the same EVA or if you check the dialog with the transcript it is also clear they are not the same EVA. You're grasping at straws based on a claim NASA didn't even make. But thanks for the humor.
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The film is provided for free to anyone who asks. Does that mean NASA then gets up in everyone's business about how it is used afterwards? If so then no hoax film would ever be made. But thanks for the humor.
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I know, it's NEVER NASA or the govt that lies, it's always SOMEONE else.
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In this case it is obviously Collier who was lying when he pretended to be a competent investigator.

And I would assume,
I WOULD expect
I would expect,
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Your ASSumptions aren't evidence.

To think otherwise would be ludicrous.
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You not understanding how the real world works is not evidence either.

NASA material is FREE, you only have to pay the copying and mailing cost.
That "documentary" was made by a private business in the hope of making a quick buck.
They weren't that interested in fact-checking.
Fact-checking costs time and effort, i.e. money.

Anyhoo, it is A DEMONSTRATED FACT that they did it wrong, so the why is immaterial.
Shit happens.
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As I stated before, moon hoax conspiracy believers are the same type as the flat Earth believers. It would be easier to sell ice to an Eskimo, then convince one of those believers.
You are born with the truth, then taught a lie.
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...I blame the state of the education system...we're graduating nimble fingered idiots...
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The documentary gets going at about 7:02 into it. He examines the L.E.M. and asks, "Where are the schematics for this project?" .. & later on asks, "Why didn't the team who CREATED THE SHIP WHICH LANDED ON THE MOON RECEIVE A NOBEL PRIZE IN PHYSICS? (etc.)"
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I got a video to counter your video. See how that works?


Then this one...

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I can just about believe we landed on the moon. BUT. How in the hell did they get back to Earth? Just get back in the rocket and turn the ignition? And why have they not been back in over 40 years?
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I can just about believe we landed on the moon. BUT. How in the hell did they get back to Earth? Just get back in the rocket and turn the ignition? And why have they not been back in over 40 years?
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they docked the LM with the CSM and then discarded the LM. The CSM (command and service module) had a large rocket attached to it.

They haven't been back because nobody has wanted to pay for it since then.
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I can just about believe we landed on the moon. BUT. How in the hell did they get back to Earth? Just get back in the rocket and turn the ignition? And why have they not been back in over 40 years?
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it was expensive as hell back then, but it was a serious national priority then.
...not at all like today...practically no support in such missions.
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I can just about believe we landed on the moon. BUT. How in the hell did they get back to Earth? Just get back in the rocket and turn the ignition? And why have they not been back in over 40 years?
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they docked the LM with the CSM and then discarded the LM. The CSM (command and service module) had a large rocket attached to it.

They haven't been back because nobody has wanted to pay for it since then.
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Actually, they would have left the bottom half of the LM on the Moon and only docked with the top half.