Question for JW's (Jehovah Winesses)

Nope, there are circumstances where they might want to attend. They could sit in back and not up front. They don't have to take part in any of the service. And they don't have to tell anyone their business.

Yes, people like to spread false information when they are mad at an organization. That is why it is best to go to someone who is in the religion as well. Not someone who has something against it. Get into from all areas.

And that was wrong for them to do. There is no rule for when or what age a person should get baptized. Being forced to be baptized is not from the organization but from unbalanced/abusive parents.

The indicator that your religion is correct for you personally is you achieve the Flash where you suddenly understand all religions, and you cannot possibly attach yourself to any of them. It would be like asking a well seasoned fighter jet pilot to now only and forever use a tricycle to engage the enemy.

Chapter Twelve
Clarifications and Guidelines
on Handling Certain Matters

Marking disorderly ones
Weddings
Scriptural freedom to remarry
Adulterous marriage
Child abuse
Taking brothers to court
When disasters occur


Weddings
4. Elders may perform a wedding of two Chris-
tians or of two unbaptized publishers who are pro-
gressing toward baptism. If the couple have a specif-
ic elder in mind, they can personally ask him toofficiate at their wedding. If the couple have no pref-
erence, the body of elders can select one of their
number to do this. The elder solemnizing a marriage
should make sure that he is legally qualified in the
state or locality where the wedding takes place. If
the speaker does not legally qualify to administer the
vows, another elder who meets such legal require-
ments could administer the wedding vows after the
speaker gives the discourse. The elder who adminis-
ters the vows would complete the necessary docu-
ments. Any elder who is asked to give a wedding talk
or administer the vows should conscientiously de-
cide whether he wishes to serve in such capacity.
(
w97
4/15 p. 24;
w84
4/15 pp. 13-14) Elders should
not perform the wedding of two persons who are not
seriously involved in the activities of Jehovah’s Wit-
nesses. Neither should the elders be involved, directly
or indirectly, in the wedding of a baptized individual
to an unbaptized, disassociated, or disfellowshipped
person. (1 Cor. 5:11; 7:39) It would be improper to
participate in a second wedding years after the initial
ceremony, as this would imply that the first wedding
was not binding.—
w06
10/15p.19par.8.
5. Before agreeing to officiate, an elder should
personally speak with the couple and tactfully but
straightforwardly
inquire about their conduct
during courtship
.
Make sure that all involved are
familiar with and follow the direction in the arti-
cles in the November 2008
Our Kingdom Ministry,
page 3; the October 15, 2006,
Wa tchto we r,
pages 18-
31; the April 15, 1997,
Wa tchto we r,
pages 23-26; and
the April 15, 1984,
Wa tchto we r,
pages 11-15. If it is
learned that they have engaged in sexual immorality
that requires assistance from a judicial committee,
the couple cannot use the Kingdom Hall. If neither is
disfellowshipped, it will be up to the discretion of the
elder as to whether he will officiate at another loca-
tion.He may also want to inquire about some of the
plans for the wedding and reception and give kind-
ly reminders if needed to help them demonstrate
reasonableness. However, he should remember that
what they choose to do is a personal matter as long as
this is not unscriptural. (Phil. 4:5;
w84
4/15 pp. 11-
12) The elder should also
make sure that the bride
and groom are legally and Scripturally free to
marry.
If either was married before, the elder should
ask to see a copy of the divorce decree to make sure
that the divorce was finalized. He should also be sat-
isfied that the divorce is Scriptural. If the person’s di-
vorce occurred before baptism, the elder should not
assume the individual is Scripturally free, as baptism
does not dissolve previous marital ties. If either the
bride or the groom is from another congregation,
the elder should speak or correspond with the el-
ders from that congregation to confirm the person’s
standing in the congregation, Scriptural freedom to
marry,andsoforth.
6.
If a couple wishes to use the Kingdom Hall,
they should submit a written request well in advance
of the wedding date indicating the specific day and
time they desire to use the hall. The Congregation
Service Committee should promptly consider the re-
quest on behalf of the body of elders. Though it is not
a requirement that all in the wedding party be bap-
tized, the wedding party should not include any per-
son whose lifestyle grossly conflicts with Bible princi-
ples. (
km
11/08 p. 3;
w84
4/15 p. 15) Any decoration
of the Kingdom Hall or rearrangement of the chairs
must be approved. Only music selected from
King-
dom Melodies
or that is found in our songbook may
be used. The elders may permit a rehearsal at the
Kingdom Hall as long as it does not interfere with
other congregation arrangements.
7.
The marriage discourse
should reflect digni-
ty, honor, and seriousness. (Heb. 13:4) Its purpose is
to impress on the minds of the participants, as well as
those observing, the God-given responsibilities that
married couples must assume and discharge in full
harmony with the Scriptures. It is not appropriate to tell humorous stories or read poems simply to enter-
tain or amuse the audience. If the branch office pro-
vides an outline in the local language, it should be
used.
8. Since much of the direction outlined above has
generally been given only to congregation elders,
ap-
pointedeldersshouldbeusedtoofficiateat
weddings, if available
.
(
km
11/08 p. 3;
w84
4/15
pp. 13-14) Also, elders are certified teachers of God’s
Word, so they are the ones most qualified to high-
light the important Scriptural principles that apply
on this special occasion.—1 Tim. 3:2

Religitards will always try and convince normal people to join their religion and that their invisible guy in the sky will save them.

Or the imperfect parents. If I was forced to be baptized I would have written a letter as soon as I was able to get out on my own to the headquarters and told that I want it to be annulled. They have to know this is happening sometimes and should do something about it.

I also believe from what I have been seeing that there is a correction coming soon. They are still the ones who teach the truth about Jesus. Never believed the pagan trinity that was taught to me from childhood.

The difference is this, your church will marry if only ONE is Episcopal whereas the JW's will not do it unless both are baptized into the religion officially...

WRONG????!?!?!

REALLY??!?!?! YOU HAVE BEEN AWAY FOR TOO LONG!

So what is wrong with that? Like I said, I had to jump through hoops to get married in a church. Nothing wrong with a denomination having standards.

The post I just read(from the handbook) said they will marry two unbaptized individuals if they are progressing towards baptism. You don't have to be baptized yet to be married there.

And, again, I don't have any problem with the rules of a denomination you want to get married by. If you don't like it you go somewhere else. I certainly wouldn't expect the Mormons to marry me unless I was going by their rules.

Not everyone who is a JW is unhappy with it.

I see this as him saying that there is an age of accountability with God. Not that he agrees with parents forcing their kids to get baptized.

No one is ever seen as a 'lost cause' and told to move on. No one is ever told to just give up on family, friends etc. All JW's are told is to watch their association outside the organization and even *inside* of it. And that should go for everyone on this planet. We should all be careful who we choose as friends. But no where are JW's told who to be friends with. That is a personal decision.

YOU TWIST THE WORDS!

DID YOU EVEN LISTEN????

Here's your answer that should make the hair on your head stand up.


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In the July 2017 Watchtower on page 28 of the article entitled “winning the battle for your mind” the following statement is made “Keep in mind that Satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well. Why? Because propaganda is likely to be most effective, says one source, if people… are discouraged from thinking critically.”

The quote comes from a book entitled: “Media and Society In the Twentieth Century: A Historical Introduction By Lyn Gorman, David McLean" The watchtower however, chose to leave out a portion of the quote.

The full quote is "Therefore, it is likely to be most effective if people do not have access to multiple sources of information and if they are discouraged from thinking critically.

The following sentence which the watchtower also decided was best not to include states,

“Michael Balfour has suggested that the "best touchstone for distinguishing propaganda from science is whether a plurality of sources of information and of interpretations is being discouraged or fostered."

Yes, I listened. He says if we think we are responsible to drive then we are old enough to be responsible to God. We should know right and wrong in behavior. It is not like he is saying that you can't get your license if you are not baptized or that you have to get baptized at a certain age or get kicked out of the house.

This is just about being accountable. Now if unbalanced parents want to take it that way then shame on them. But that is not what he was saying to do.

And personally I think today 16 is too young to get a full license which many states don't do. And 16 is the youngest I believe anyone should even think of getting baptized. I think more like past the age of 21 but that is me personally and I would never make my children do anything. Nor have I heard of any elders forcing kids to get baptized. Only a screwed up parent would do such a thing and I believe they would answer to God for that.

Again, if I was a someone whose parents forced me to get baptized I would do something about it. Writing to the headquarters would be the first thing I would do. I would also take it up with my parents. I do not believe the organization is perfect. Nothing is on this earth and changes need to be made. Maybe this would be one of them. If you still believe in God you might just pray for change to be made and for God to help you. I am sorry this happened to you.

I hope there are changes made as well. I think people are getting exhausted to say the least even though they believe the basic doctrines. Just don't give up on God and keep praying.

I thought you were also poster ...847 whose parents forced him to get baptized. That I why I was saying sorry for what happened to you.

Except if you are 16 years old, indoctrinated by family your entire life, you have not been free to make the choice on your own. You have been told your whole life that evil apostates and Satan's minions tell nothing, but lies and you must not investigate the religion or other religion unless it comes from the Watchtower's publications.

It is a horseshit cult.

How old was Jesus when he was baptized? Yeah, screw some cult members saying 16 year olds should be baptized.

That is something that should be changed. But does God hold us accountable at that age? I say it depends on the person but it is too young to be baptized. Governments usually hold a person accountable past 18 so that should be the youngest a person should be baptized IMO.

Very few 18 year olds even are mature enough to fully understand baptism.

Old enough to have a moral compass to know right from wrong, sure. To have a full understanding of the life long impact of becoming a Jehovah's Witness? No way.

Baptism is not about dedicating your life to God. It is about taking an oath to an organization and abiding by its rules.

You can dedicate your life to God without taking the oaths JWs make all baptism candidates say.

I have known JW's who were baptized at 12 and FT pioneering by 15. By the time they turned 18 they were out.

Personally, a shark lawyer could go after the WT because there is a lot of legalesse that they got wrong like other other cults. If you get baptized at 16, and then decide by 19 you want to leave, can you talk to your friends, family who are still JW's? No.

Is that the most recent WT? I need to look it up. I know this is not the first time they lied or used deceit and were called out for it. Remember the Indian scientist who called them out for misquoting him and they didn't even have the guts to apologize to him or their readers? Crazy stuff. I know if this is God's "only earthly organization" then I would expect, accountability (they have none) transparency (they definitely have none) full honesty (they have none) and definitely being ecologically sound (they did lots of illegals things up in Warwick and the Farms.

I agree what happened was wrong. Very wrong. And that was horseshit. Even if something is good for you, you should still not be made to do it. But as for them being a cult I would say no. It is strict in many ways but that is the Bible if we follow it like we should. As for their doctrines they are correct. No trinity, no hellfire, no immortality of the soul. No pagan holidays. They have that right. Do they need correction. Yes. People always need correction. And if anyone thinks this is God's organization then it still needs correction. From what I have read in the Bible it seems God's people were always getting into trouble and needing correction to get out of it. So hope the correction happens soon for them.

And the thing is that you have said is that you weren't free to make your choice. Maybe had you had time you would have felt differently. I would just tell you not to give up on God. Keep praying for His help and direction. And the Bible tells us to forgive so forgive your parents for what they have done. You don't have to agree or condone what happened but to forgive because that is for you. Parents think they are doing the right thing when they are not many times. Imperfection at its worst. So I hope you can get rid of any anger and move on from that and hopefully things will change one day for you all to be able to reconcile.

I agree that 18 is young for most people. And yes, a person can dedicate their lives to God and that is what they should do at first. Baptism is just a public demonstration of that dedication which could have happened many years before. And it should happen as an adult.

Believe me, if this is the organization God is using there will be accountability. If it happened to His people in the bible it will happen now. God does not change. We are usually not that patient as God is and want change now. But it will come. And again, don't ever expect perfection because it won't happen in the world we live in. But God will do what needs to be done in His time frame because it is all about Him and what is coming up in the future. We are just along for a very bumpy ride if we even choose to ride.

No...they are NOT allowed to have friends who are not jws.

Im an ex jdub. Grew up in the cult. Not allowed to have any friends at all unless they are jdubs. At school i had to sit alone and shun everyone because they were not jdubs.

And every time the elders would come for a visit they would always try to get me and my little sister alone away from our parents to diddle us. They did it to all the kids.

Its a pedo organization at its core. It was founded by masons too and the translators who did their special bible were masons and two of them were spirit mediums.

Look it up.

Ct russel was a TOP RANK MASON...google his gravestone...a b8g pyramid covered in masonic and satanic symbols...nice gravestone for a so called "jesus follower"...not.

You jws are THE MOST EVIL CULT IN THE WORLD.