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NervousAndJerky User ID: 73798348 United States 04/07/2017 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What's really phucked up is the US abandoned there fall out shelter program in the sixties. Now that's phucked up. Last Edited by NervousAndJerky on 04/07/2017 05:31 PM |
Bud Fox User ID: 74633049 United States 04/07/2017 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do the Russians even believe in MAD? In my PDF library I have a famous nuclear war preparation manual from the 70's or 80's - I think it was Nuclear War Survival Skills. Anyway, the author provided a compelling argument how MAD was a western-only mindset, and that the Russians always thought they could win a nuclear war if given enough tactical advantage (with acceptable losses). Thankfully they never got that advantage (like in Alas Babylon) Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74634976 Australia 04/07/2017 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do the Russians even believe in MAD? Quoting: Bud Fox In my PDF library I have a famous nuclear war preparation manual from the 70's or 80's - I think it was Nuclear War Survival Skills. Anyway, the author provided a compelling argument how MAD was a western-only mindset, and that the Russians always thought they could win a nuclear war if given enough tactical advantage (with acceptable losses). Thankfully they never got that advantage (like in Alas Babylon) Russian strategy usually calls for "demonstration" nuclear strikes. That is, a handful to a few dozen warheads hitting a small number of airbases, or ports, or army formations in the field. They are designed to shock the enemy into halting its advances. The above is an example of such a strike. Other examples I have seen wargammed include hitting the major bridges over the Vistula River, including in Warsaw, and striking North Sea German and Dutch ports. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74636605 Australia 04/08/2017 05:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The theory is that a nuclear war won't be unleashed in one insane world-ending spasm Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74589465 That is utter nonsense. If other countries had Nukes during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There would be no world left. Russia almost had them but not quite they had a shit load else to deal with at the time. The first nuke released in Anger will be a sudden full release from every Nation that has them. It will not be piece by piece it will be all out. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4952032 United States 04/08/2017 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its launch on detection.....no one is waiting for a nuke to detonate on target before getting theirs out of the silos.... With the lethality of nukes, there is always fear of a decapitation strike where the chain of command is severed....so a smooth escalation is unlikely.....its use it or lose it.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74637164 Australia 04/08/2017 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its launch on detection.....no one is waiting for a nuke to detonate on target before getting theirs out of the silos.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4952032 With the lethality of nukes, there is always fear of a decapitation strike where the chain of command is severed....so a smooth escalation is unlikely.....its use it or lose it.... OP said they wouldn't target each other's silos, just the soft targets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4952032 United States 04/08/2017 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its launch on detection.....no one is waiting for a nuke to detonate on target before getting theirs out of the silos.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4952032 With the lethality of nukes, there is always fear of a decapitation strike where the chain of command is severed....so a smooth escalation is unlikely.....its use it or lose it.... OP said they wouldn't target each other's silos, just the soft targets. Soft targets are cities....hard targets are silos.....a strike will always be hard targets.....you want to take away the opponent's means of retaliation.....soft targets mean killing civilians wholesale.... In the world's eyes, attacking soft targets would make the attacker pariahs.... The trend been moving away from megatonnage munitions and more towards lower yield but highly accurate warheads to take out silos....the city killer sized warheads like the Russia's "satan" been phased out.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74637164 Australia 04/08/2017 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its launch on detection.....no one is waiting for a nuke to detonate on target before getting theirs out of the silos.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4952032 With the lethality of nukes, there is always fear of a decapitation strike where the chain of command is severed....so a smooth escalation is unlikely.....its use it or lose it.... OP said they wouldn't target each other's silos, just the soft targets. Soft targets are cities....hard targets are silos.....a strike will always be hard targets.....you want to take away the opponent's means of retaliation.....soft targets mean killing civilians wholesale.... In the world's eyes, attacking soft targets would make the attacker pariahs.... The trend been moving away from megatonnage munitions and more towards lower yield but highly accurate warheads to take out silos....the city killer sized warheads like the Russia's "satan" been phased out.... Airfields and piers are soft targets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74627480 France 04/08/2017 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do the Russians even believe in MAD? Quoting: Bud Fox In my PDF library I have a famous nuclear war preparation manual from the 70's or 80's - I think it was Nuclear War Survival Skills. Anyway, the author provided a compelling argument how MAD was a western-only mindset, and that the Russians always thought they could win a nuclear war if given enough tactical advantage (with acceptable losses). Thankfully they never got that advantage (like in Alas Babylon) Russian strategy usually calls for "demonstration" nuclear strikes. That is, a handful to a few dozen warheads hitting a small number of airbases, or ports, or army formations in the field. They are designed to shock the enemy into halting its advances. The above is an example of such a strike. Other examples I have seen wargammed include hitting the major bridges over the Vistula River, including in Warsaw, and striking North Sea German and Dutch ports. it's mainly to stop the soldiers advance by irradiating the river with nuclear fallout. |
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PEACE_IN_UKRAINE User ID: 83984862 United States 07/14/2023 10:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We can talk about all kinds of scenarios. And should do this. However, please do not miss the obvious. THERE HAVE BEEN NO PEACE NEGOTIATIONS!! At least meaningful. When the Delegation of African Leaders came to Moscow, Putin showed them a signed peace deal. This was signed by the negotiators in Ukraine. However, a week later they withdrew signature on pressure from the West. This was just before the actual war began. Russia knew that the peace route would not work and there were 48 BioWeapons labs doing active research. They later found weasponzed Bird Flu H5N1. Take a look at who owns the natural resources in Ukraine? Who owns the fertile black soil of 17 million hectares. Who owns the central bank of Ukraine? Not the Ukrainian government!! Who was shelling the Slavic people of Donesk since 2014? This this was the Ukraine government. Who forced land owners and farmers to sell their land for pennies on the dollar? Yes this was the Ukrainian government. If they did not sell, they had to go to jail or join the Ukrainian army. How about that for a choice? It became a puppet government after the US paid $5 billion to finance the covert political takeover. If you want to know how this works read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". Please call you congress members and senators and push for peace talks. Fast and pray all false flag plans are exposed. Not one drop of American blood should be lost without meaningful PEACE TALKS. PEACE_IN_UKRAINE |
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