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Why second Korean war is just around the corner

 
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Why second Korean war is just around the corner
I will try to be as short as possible, everyone's time is precious.

I will start from the assumption that North Korea won't be attacked, even if they test nuke after nuke , and ballistic missiles on a daily basis.

I will just assume that everyone is dumb as fuck, and will accept the above.



Now, what will happen in the next 10 to 15 years, if North Korea is left unchecked.

They will have, most likely, over 50 working nukes, ballistic missiles capable to reach the entire continental U.S. and subs capable of launching nuclear tipped missiles.

In the same time frame, China will expand their nuclear capabilities (most likely overpassing 500 nukes), drastically modernize their army, and having 4, maybe 5 carriers.

Also, in the same time frame, N.K. trading volume with China will quadruple, easily.


So, we will get to the point where the U.S. won't be able to do anything against North Korea.Unless war.

Once N.K and China will have the above capabilities (could be 10 years, 15 years, maybe 20 years), N.K., as China's proxy, will demand U.S. to fully retreat from South Korea and Japan.

This will lead to war.

But let's say they don't do it.


During the same time frame (10, 15 , maybe 20 years), both South Korea and Japan will realize that the U.S. have failed them, and won't be able to defend them against China and North Korea.

Both S.K. and Japan will be forced to either accept the inevitable Chinese influence or the inevitable war in the region between U.S. and China/N.K.

Unless they develop their own nukes.

But here is the problem with S.K and Japan having nukes : China won't ever, ever accept that, and this also leads to war, China will attempt to stop the S.K. and Japan becoming nuclear powers.


I could continue with other scenarios, but they all lead to war between China/N.K. and the U.S., and nukes will be used.


There is simply no scenario where N.K., as a major nuclear power in the region, won't lead to war.



Basically, the U.S. have to decide only about ONE SINGLE THING :

When to attack N.K.

Now, or later.


The more the U.S. pushes the attack time line, the worst it will be for them.


There is a possible (because everything is possible) scenario that will push the war 50 years or more :

The U.S. fully retreats from Pacific, and let China control it.

But somehow, I don't see that happening peacefully.

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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
It would be a continuation of the first war.
Comfortably numb...
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
China doesn't have a choice if we want them to have nukes

they will have nukes
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
China doesn't have a choice if we want them to have nukes

they will have nukes
 Quoting: jake


And yet, it didn't happen.


You should understand WHY.



If you can't , I will explain it to you.


S.K. and Japan are under U.S. nuclear umbrella. No need for them to have nukes.

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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
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Thank you for being totally out of topic.


It's not about semantics.

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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
But what would the current Chinese response be to an attack on North Korea?
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But what would the current Chinese response be to an attack on North Korea?
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I don't know, really.


But I know what their response will be in 10-15 years.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
the usa simply cannot allow China to

continue a military build up like they are doing

Same thing happend with Japan, we waited to long
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
the usa simply cannot allow China to

continue a military build up like they are doing

Same thing happend with Japan, we waited to long
 Quoting: jake


Bingo.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
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Thank you for being totally out of topic.


It's not about semantics.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector

Totally out of topic? Well blow it out your ass then retard . I was just giving you some info directly relating to your thread title incase you wanted to change it so you didnt look like the uneducated retard you are but...


If you call the equivalent of calling WWII WWI semantics then no worries I guess.
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We are going to to issue threats and build up a show of force. Then there will be a back channel offer of talks. If those talks fail,a strike will likely happen with the next nuclear test. But it's coming to a head this year. There will be a military strike or denuclearization talks commencing in the 90 days.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72579072


Thank you for being totally out of topic.


It's not about semantics.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector

Totally out of topic? Well blow it out your ass then retard . I was just giving you some info directly relating to your thread title incase you wanted to change it so you didnt look like the uneducated retard you are but...


If you call the equivalent of calling WWII WWI semantics then no worries I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72581703



Mate, again, it's fucking semantics.


Second korean war IS the most used catch phrase.


Just google it.




So, you ARE out of topic, because the topic is NOT : " what is correct, second korean war or the continuity of the korean war".
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
I will try to be as short as possible, everyone's time is precious.

I will start from the assumption that North Korea won't be attacked, even if they test nuke after nuke , and ballistic missiles on a daily basis.

I will just assume that everyone is dumb as fuck, and will accept the above.



Now, what will happen in the next 10 to 15 years, if North Korea is left unchecked.

They will have, most likely, over 50 working nukes, ballistic missiles capable to reach the entire continental U.S. and subs capable of launching nuclear tipped missiles.

In the same time frame, China will expand their nuclear capabilities (most likely overpassing 500 nukes), drastically modernize their army, and having 4, maybe 5 carriers.

Also, in the same time frame, N.K. trading volume with China will quadruple, easily.


So, we will get to the point where the U.S. won't be able to do anything against North Korea.Unless war.

Once N.K and China will have the above capabilities (could be 10 years, 15 years, maybe 20 years), N.K., as China's proxy, will demand U.S. to fully retreat from South Korea and Japan.

This will lead to war.

But let's say they don't do it.


During the same time frame (10, 15 , maybe 20 years), both South Korea and Japan will realize that the U.S. have failed them, and won't be able to defend them against China and North Korea.

Both S.K. and Japan will be forced to either accept the inevitable Chinese influence or the inevitable war in the region between U.S. and China/N.K.

Unless they develop their own nukes.

But here is the problem with S.K and Japan having nukes : China won't ever, ever accept that, and this also leads to war, China will attempt to stop the S.K. and Japan becoming nuclear powers.


I could continue with other scenarios, but they all lead to war between China/N.K. and the U.S., and nukes will be used.


There is simply no scenario where N.K., as a major nuclear power in the region, won't lead to war.



Basically, the U.S. have to decide only about ONE SINGLE THING :

When to attack N.K.

Now, or later.


The more the U.S. pushes the attack time line, the worst it will be for them.


There is a possible (because everything is possible) scenario that will push the war 50 years or more :

The U.S. fully retreats from Pacific, and let China control it.

But somehow, I don't see that happening peacefully.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72579072


Thank you for being totally out of topic.


It's not about semantics.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


The first Korean War wasn't even a war
It was a " police action' - he fought in a P. A.
At least that's what it says on my Dad's grave stone

Semantics could have meaning when it comes to the international legal threshold required to resume hostilities
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I'll tell you all this. North Korea will soon come to pass...whether it be peaceful or not...the latter is most likely! North Korea's doctrinated government is unlike anything in human history. I'm sorry but there is no way North Korea is going quietly for the next empire (Antichrist) to be fulfilled.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
This is still the first korean war. The war was suspended upon a truce not concluded . We have always been at war with norks since the korean war began. We just signed a truce to suspend operations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72579072


Thank you for being totally out of topic.


It's not about semantics.
 Quoting: deplorable recollector

Totally out of topic? Well blow it out your ass then retard . I was just giving you some info directly relating to your thread title incase you wanted to change it so you didnt look like the uneducated retard you are but...


If you call the equivalent of calling WWII WWI semantics then no worries I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72581703



Mate, again, it's fucking semantics.


Second korean war IS the most used catch phrase.


Just google it.




So, you ARE out of topic, because the topic is NOT : " what is correct, second korean war or the continuity of the korean war".
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


It is relevant becase there cant be a second korean war u til the first has been concluded ; therefore your thread title is factually incorrect and negates any information contained within it pertaining to it . I mean for christ sake I never passed any grade after 6th , why does everyone else look so fucking stupid to me? Why does my 6th grade educated brain know more than fuckin people with college education? GAAAHHHHHHH

And the entire planet's ignorance has any bearing on my point. Ya know what? Fuckit. Its the 2nd korean war. I'll just dumb myself down so I can fit in ffs.
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Re: Why second Korean war is just around the corner
Its been like 50/60 years since the Korean War came to a ceasefire.

If there is a continuation of war in Korea, historians will most likely call it the second Korean war.

Two generations later... That's not the same war.