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Still noting lots of bumping-down of this thread from the "soft shills."
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I don't think the amount of people required for this to play out is that many.

Case in point...if you plan a full scale drill and prepare all involved for the day...when you make that sudden change to making it a real event, there will be many willing participants that will be confused but also scared.

You already have them committed to the event why not push them a little farther?


That moment when it went " live " is very obvious because that is when the focus of the event went to those involved in promoting the Urban Legend. Ala Gene Rosen.

Another thing to consider...most news reports are just regurgitations of the same information. One video feed and rumor provided to many for dissemination. This helps control the info.

LT Vance made a point of saying in a news conference that the CT state police had used their helicopter to keep other helicopters out of the area. Why? Seems odd they would need to do that when air traffic control could just blacklist the airspace.

I maintain most of the air video footage is from drones. There is a reason for that.
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I think people overestimate the need to convince the public entirely.

All they needed to do was convince a sufficient amount of brain dead sheep, then call anyone who questioned the story a crazy tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. (And the sheep would help as would the shills)


* they had previously tested the phenomenon with 9/11. They knew the sjw/white knight defender types would all go along with the "people died, fuck you for asking questions about it, this is a tragedy, blah blah blah" mindset
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It worked great at Sandy Hook, so THEY doubled-down on The Boston Marathon, and with the help of The Ministry of Truth (MSM), got away with it both times.
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Who do we basically know to be in on the show? Who is the "cast"?


Lt Vance. (He was also the organizer of a eerily similar school shooting drill about 2 years prior as I recall which had videos on YouTube)

That creepy morgue medical examiner weirdo

- who had filed an act 1-2 years prior requiring cases about children to be confidential, look it up, I forget the exact details

School nurse (if there was a school)

Principal Dawn Hochtsprung (again if there was even a school, her comments could just be planted misinfo)

A few Crisis actors:

Gene Rosen

The first grade teacher who supposedly hid her kids and was supposed to be a "hero" (who was licensed in NY, not in CT as I recall and there wasn't any records of her being a teacher in town at the time)

1-3 fake "parents". Think about it, how many parents did you actually see?

If there wasn't actually a school, a few kids, but their footage could have been taken from somewhere else, completely out of context.



Media is already accustomed to regurgitating whatever bullshit they are given.

Medical response teams had to be kept at bay, as I recall they were tied up at the fictitious drill across town, they wouldn't have to be "in the know"

The "extras" ..... Maybe. It is possible they just gave the people who actually showed up a BS line - otherwise they would needntoninvolve a LOT more people and I think that is needlessly complicated.
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Who do we basically know to be in on the show? Who is the "cast"?


Lt Vance. (He was also the organizer of a eerily similar school shooting drill about 2 years prior as I recall which had videos on YouTube)

That creepy morgue medical examiner weirdo

- who had filed an act 1-2 years prior requiring cases about children to be confidential, look it up, I forget the exact details

School nurse (if there was a school)

Principal Dawn Hochtsprung (again if there was even a school, her comments could just be planted misinfo)

A few Crisis actors:

Gene Rosen

The first grade teacher who supposedly hid her kids and was supposed to be a "hero" (who was licensed in NY, not in CT as I recall and there wasn't any records of her being a teacher in town at the time)

1-3 fake "parents". Think about it, how many parents did you actually see?

If there wasn't actually a school, a few kids, but their footage could have been taken from somewhere else, completely out of context.



Media is already accustomed to regurgitating whatever bullshit they are given.

Medical response teams had to be kept at bay, as I recall they were tied up at the fictitious drill across town, they wouldn't have to be "in the know"

The "extras" ..... Maybe. It is possible they just gave the people who actually showed up a BS line - otherwise they would needntoninvolve a LOT more people and I think that is needlessly complicated.
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Who do we basically know to be in on the show? Who is the "cast"?


Lt Vance. (He was also the organizer of a eerily similar school shooting drill about 2 years prior as I recall which had videos on YouTube)

That creepy morgue medical examiner weirdo

- who had filed an act 1-2 years prior requiring cases about children to be confidential, look it up, I forget the exact details

School nurse (if there was a school)

Principal Dawn Hochtsprung (again if there was even a school, her comments could just be planted misinfo)

A few Crisis actors:

Gene Rosen

The first grade teacher who supposedly hid her kids and was supposed to be a "hero" (who was licensed in NY, not in CT as I recall and there wasn't any records of her being a teacher in town at the time)

1-3 fake "parents". Think about it, how many parents did you actually see?

If there wasn't actually a school, a few kids, but their footage could have been taken from somewhere else, completely out of context.



Media is already accustomed to regurgitating whatever bullshit they are given.

Medical response teams had to be kept at bay, as I recall they were tied up at the fictitious drill across town, they wouldn't have to be "in the know"

The "extras" ..... Maybe. It is possible they just gave the people who actually showed up a BS line - otherwise they would needntoninvolve a LOT more people and I think that is needlessly complicated.
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Lt Vance is a treasure trove of tells.

He struggles with the play out. He tends to over explain things that are obviously odd.

Anyway...having a "one source" for all info is key.

How do you keep a normally curious press in your pocket for something like this?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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No one's even mentioned that weird ass smirking short cop over the shoulder on the interview with Carver. What a freak! Anyone know what i'm talking about?
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Don't forget the guy who played the role of parent AND cop! He wasn't a particularly good cop, either, he was slinging around his "loaded" weapon like it was a plaything.
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Yeah the oddities were abundant.

It seems Vance ran point on narrative.

Who would direct his info?


Example: when Vance went on his " newest twist " berating of people " impersonating the shooter " on social media.

What an odd play on words huh? I think Vance personally had a hard time selling that meme. His twitch was always a play on the " angry authority figure " when he needed to get you to look past the lunacy of what he was trying to get you to believe.......anyway back on topic and less air quotes.

Lt Vance was obviously not dreaming up these things. Who would have been the initiators of this?
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I think it's likely Hillary was involved. Didn't she have some connections to the "Sandy Hook parents" several years prior to the event?

What are the odds that Hillary is not involved?
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I think it's likely Hillary was involved. Didn't she have some connections to the "Sandy Hook parents" several years prior to the event?

What are the odds that Hillary is not involved?
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If the president flys in to town and wipes a tear from the wrong side of his eye and his attorney general speaks of the bloody mess he witnessed that should speak volumes about who knew what.

More to this discussion is how to implement the event and storyline.

Heck maybe we find out it would be impossible to manufacture something like this.....but I think Andrew Solomon knows better....
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I wonder if DHS could orchestrate this..m
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SIMPLE ...

SINCE THE OBJECT OF THE GAME WAS GUN CONTROL ...

THEN THE GAME WAS ALL ABOUT GUN CONTROL !!!

DID KIDS DIE ???

NO !!!

DID PEOPLE DIE THAT KNEW ABOUT IT ???

YES !!!

HOW DO I KNOW ???

I STILL HAVE THE SHOVEL !!!

THE SHEEP PEOPLE HAVE BECOME REAL ...

SUCKERS !!!
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My feeling is certain media we made part of the drill. This would make it play out in the manner they wished.

Something like the AP...since they are an association of different sources...compromising one for the sake of a narrative should be easy.
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Did you know..
The Construction Company Used in Demolishing the Sandy Hook Asbestos school, was... Consigli Construction.

They had to sign a NON-DISCLOSURE agreement in order to get the contract.

UNHEARD of in this line of work.
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This is one of the proofs to the attack on FOIA. This is something BIG and bigger than the attack on the 2nd Amendment....and not as obvious but speaks paramount on the freedoms that WeThePeople are losing and set a precedence from this false flag attack called Shady Hook taking away our freedom of information/truth......
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Yup we got some serious problems.
I got banned, dont type S H then H O A X
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me too yesterday
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There was an AP reporter that uploaded a file to vimeo right after the event.

His recap seemed very contrived.
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Everybody keeps saying you cant make this sht up.

The reality is you CAN make this sht up but only under the Mandelea effect. You read the smartest kid in the world's T.O.E. regarding CERN pushing us slightly off and into an alternate parallel universe.

This one looks like the Truman show where it is ALL produced and made up, as was the Boston marathon, sandy hook, etc.



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Okay kids.

Since Sandy Hook has now been set into the History books for many people as a questionable event...the majority of threads now are either people trying to prove the lunacy of such an event as a Keystone cops affair being covered up or an outright "hoax" and people trying to uncover the lie by expecting some sort of "truth mistake" to come from the perpetrators.

My contention that it was a drill embellished with an Urban Legend seems to solve all the anomalies and rediculous happenings that are Sandy Hook.


So...how about we crowd source with ideas as to how this could be pulled off? I think you can plan a drill and force participants to conform to the new narrative. Have a semi-real event and change it to later pass it off as something else.

How do you control this?
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Dude were you ever interested in the Batman connection?

The connections were numerous.


Thread: SANDY HOOK the Warning and Secret Clue without a Point
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U forget.. There was a slew of Sandy events. Sandy, the wife of pilot 9/11/01 who flew flight 93 was found dead on 5/25/12 in Denver..then the 3 night episode of the McCoy and Hatfield adventure which started on Memorial Day 2012, the River that divided them was Big Sandy.. Then we had Hurricane Sandy ...the Sandy Hook event was the last event. Please add to the Sandy list of 2012 if you dare. Sandy means defender of man. Its a message. Someone out there wants to blot out man. Depopulation is their goal.
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Sandy being short for the goddess Cassandra, who could see the future. But she didnt keep her end of the bargain with the Gods and they cursed her by making no-one believe her. Sandy Hook Myth? They couldn't have named it more appropriately. People supposedly at Sandy Hook sat across from where the bomb supposedly went of at the Boston Marathon.

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Okay kids.

Since Sandy Hook has now been set into the History books for many people as a questionable event...the majority of threads now are either people trying to prove the lunacy of such an event as a Keystone cops affair being covered up or an outright "hoax" and people trying to uncover the lie by expecting some sort of "truth mistake" to come from the perpetrators.

My contention that it was a drill embellished with an Urban Legend seems to solve all the anomalies and rediculous happenings that are Sandy Hook.


So...how about we crowd source with ideas as to how this could be pulled off? I think you can plan a drill and force participants to conform to the new narrative. Have a semi-real event and change it to later pass it off as something else.

How do you control this?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Dude were you ever interested in the Batman connection?

The connections were numerous.


Thread: SANDY HOOK the Warning and Secret Clue without a Point
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Not really in the sense that I needed something to legitimize my theory.

I came to realize that I did not need all these other supposed items of perceived evidence or .... warnings I guess you could call them. Don't get me wrong though, I certainly gave them a look.

In the early days of the confusion we were all ( and Zeph is still struggling with although I think it's just noise now) trying to figure out what actually happened that day. We all knew something was not right and I know I spent many hours trying to sort out all the inconsistent story lines, 911 recordings, video footage and police cams....and... Then it all made sense. The confusion was on purpose.

Nobody in the press investigated anything. Every news item was either a human interest story about certain participants or it was the official communication of law enforcement. Nobody in the main stream press ever questioned anything. Well other than Andrew Solomon doing yo-mans work proving my theory in spades!



So take this backdrop and apply the premise that it was a drill that was embellished with an Urban Legend.

Well that certainly clears up everything doesn't it?

No need to worry about what time dispatch sent who to where and when...why ambulances were staged with chairs by the firehouse for one person who sat for 2 hours and was then wheeled to another fire department ambulance in the street for transport to somewhere. And all the other ridiculous stories.

Sure I enjoy partaking in the discussion of what took place that day because I can test my theory...and it works every time.

The reason I started this thread is because I am really curious as to how you manage an event like this knowing full well there will be many that know what really is going on.

So jump in and let's see where this takes us. Remember....we are not trying to litigate whether or not the event was staged or real. We are going with the assumption that it was staged and just figuring out how you pull it off.

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Okay kids.

Since Sandy Hook has now been set into the History books for many people as a questionable event...the majority of threads now are either people trying to prove the lunacy of such an event as a Keystone cops affair being covered up or an outright "hoax" and people trying to uncover the lie by expecting some sort of "truth mistake" to come from the perpetrators.

My contention that it was a drill embellished with an Urban Legend seems to solve all the anomalies and rediculous happenings that are Sandy Hook.


So...how about we crowd source with ideas as to how this could be pulled off? I think you can plan a drill and force participants to conform to the new narrative. Have a semi-real event and change it to later pass it off as something else.

How do you control this?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Dude were you ever interested in the Batman connection?

The connections were numerous.


Thread: SANDY HOOK the Warning and Secret Clue without a Point
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Not really in the sense that I needed something to legitimize my theory.

I came to realize that I did not need all these other supposed items of perceived evidence or .... warnings I guess you could call them. Don't get me wrong though, I certainly gave them a look.

In the early days of the confusion we were all ( and Zeph is still struggling with although I think it's just noise now) trying to figure out what actually happened that day. We all knew something was not right and I know I spent many hours trying to sort out all the inconsistent story lines, 911 recordings, video footage and police cams....and... Then it all made sense. The confusion was on purpose.

Nobody in the press investigated anything. Every news item was either a human interest story about certain participants or it was the official communication of law enforcement. Nobody in the main stream press ever questioned anything. Well other than Andrew Solomon doing yo-mans work proving my theory in spades!



So take this backdrop and apply the premise that it was a drill that was embellished with an Urban Legend.

Well that certainly clears up everything doesn't it?

No need to worry about what time dispatch sent who to where and when...why ambulances were staged with chairs by the firehouse for one person who sat for 2 hours and was then wheeled to another fire department ambulance in the street for transport to somewhere. And all the other ridiculous stories.

Sure I enjoy partaking in the discussion of what took place that day because I can test my theory...and it works every time.

The reason I started this thread is because I am really curious as to how you manage an event like this knowing full well there will be many that know what really is going on.

So jump in and let's see where this takes us. Remember....we are not trying to litigate whether or not the event was staged or real. We are going with the assumption that it was staged and just figuring out how you pull it off.
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Yes, so correct. Confusion on purpose. Like an octopus with 8 direction of story that just stops. On purpose. Just so we can elaborate the inconsistencies and yet the media, as you say, questions NOTHING. Why?

This is the tell. What was gained? Most talk about gun control. And sure it helps the agenda. Another benchmark to teach the children so when they are older, they will want to stop the "crazy" gun owners from having the rights to potentially do these atrocities!

The biggest thing I believe we lost is = ACCOUNTABILITY

TPTB no longer have to give us "full disclosure" to the TRUTH. They can avoid the truth, with no accountability to freedom of information.

That I really believe was their goal. Isn't Corrupticut the State that supposedly issued Obama's birth certificate? Will we ever really know?...... No, not possible now.
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I have wondered if the people in the gang stalking outfits like spa war, network and citizens on patrol could be utilised to pull off something like this. They are already indoctrinated believing that everything they do is for the good of their country. They are financially dependant on these programs as they often provide housing, Internet and phone access, cars as well as money to the participants and they offer these guys interest free loans for things they deem worthy as well.
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A primary aim in this operation was to see whether an event could be entirely staged -- like a movie -- complete with the airtight inner circle, a coordinated public relations team, and bit players. Many of the "bit players" surely believed the event was actual, as their role did not require being in-the-know. The small group who did know were bound by sworn oath or military/agency-type loyalty (Top Secret Operation).

Staging public emotion-swaying events successfully is an important cog in setting the stage for our strictly controlled/police/surveillance state. It's called manufacturing consent. Events like this generate emotions and neutralize dissent.

The team(s) that prepared this operation also made sure there were oddities, inconsistencies, and things that didn't add up -- the stuff that we conspiracy nutjobs would point up. Part of the operation was mocking people who raised questions: either by public ridicule in the MSM or through telling us "Yeah, we know you know it was a drill -- but there is NOTHING you're gonna' do about it, because you're just a piece of garbage like all American citizens."

All paths lead to the ancient notion of CONTROL.
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There had to be layers of "in the know." The innermost ring of personnel knew it was an entirely staged event. All the remaining "rings" had no reason to believe it wasn't, based what information they had available to them. Potential loose ends from law enforcement, people who could potentially blow the cover, would be bound by very austere nondisclosure agreements from the Fed/state (i.e., job termination and "no juicy-deal pension for you, pal" -- or something worse). As a local, I can tell you that nobody knows anything more than anyone else about what happened that day, aside from the emotional currency and leverage that comes with being geographically near the "crime." The Newtown people know precisely as much about what happened as people watching on their TVs in, say, Melbourne, Australia. The event was a closed set. Info/disinfo that came out to the media was strictly controlled. Everything that followed was just reality show biz.

Any group of 10 or so reasonably intelligent people with a very big budget, access to state/federal resources, and years of planning could easily assemble the logistics to prepare a movie set, coordinate events, and carry out an event packaged and sold to the world as a tragedy. A big part of this operation would be the disinformation team, who would create sub-stories that all lead down rabbit holes. Algorithm creators.

Denying people their FOIA rights, censoring, internet harassment, and ridiculing people asking too many questions -- the PR clean-up crew of this operation -- is a project a bit less clear to me. Their work continues but will probably shut down in due time. That seems a bit messier to handle.
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^^^
Wow, you've put a lot of thought into this.
FOIA are only as good as the person with that job. You are still trusting the "human factor" to deliver the facts. The "human factor" could just as easily toss half the facts in the round file on their way to filling the request.
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Great points in the last few posts.

I went through the same iterations of analysis and kept coming back to the question of ...what was the purpose?

I personally can't get too hung up on that anymore. Another rabbit hole.

The term " gang stalking" is weird to me and I am not sure I completely understand what it actually refers to. So if there something that can expand the definition I would be willing to hear it.

Sure they were thumbing their noses at conspiracy theories...why not if you can get away with it. Besides that is a tool they use to keep questions at bay.

So admit they got away with pulling something over on the population. The truth is out there and now I am wondering how they did it.

I guess this thread is a " good on ya mate! Howdjya do it?".

When I was parsing the 911 recordings the one aspect that stood out was they were edited....in a copy/paste way. This verified the drill angle to me. It was an actual event with material they could work with to produce the narrative...an Urban Legend would form. The scanner audio seems contrived to me.

So who would be the people in charge of this aspect of the event?

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