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you fellas aren't going to get much traction criticising media for wrong reporting on Saint Rose of Lima if you're bolloxing it up yourselves.
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Saint Rosa of Lima seems to have played a bigger roll in the drill than I previously thought.
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Saint Rosa of Lima seems to have played a bigger roll in the drill than I previously thought.
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It makes sense that would be the school they moved students from for the realism of the event.
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Saint Rosa of Lima seems to have played a bigger roll in the drill than I previously thought.
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It makes sense that would be the school they moved students from for the realism of the event.
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And Saint Rosa of Lima (School) is just on the other side of i84 across from Sandy Hook.
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Well this is interesting.

We pretty much migrated to adding another location to the mix but I can't put together the reasoning. I get how it could be used for staging and all...but something is missing for this to really make sense.


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Sandy Hook had the feel of a movie set half real and half staged.

I think some people knew what really happened but most people didn't know and those that didnt know only reacted to the news the way you might expect, with shock and emotion. They lent some realism to the scene, which was all planned.

Something tells me a movie producer somewhere is watching this discussion and having a good chuckle at our expense.
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Sandy Hook had the feel of a movie set half real and half staged.

I think some people knew what really happened but most people didn't know and those that didnt know only reacted to the news the way you might expect, with shock and emotion. They lent some realism to the scene, which was all planned.

Something tells me a movie producer somewhere is watching this discussion and having a good chuckle at our expense.
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Maybe Sandy Hook was the decoy. Maybe the real event took place at Saint Rosa of Lima School. I remember someone saying the cops got mad when a bystander suggested the shooter went to Saint Rosa of Lima. Was Sandy Hook the movie set? Who can sort this out?
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Maybe Sandy Hook was the decoy. Maybe the real event took place at Saint Rosa of Lima School. I remember someone saying the cops got mad when a bystander suggested the shooter went to Saint Rosa of Lima. Was Sandy Hook the movie set? Who can sort this out?
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I should clarify that by real event I mean the real drill .
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If you look at the CNN video footage of the cops rushing in Saint Rosa of Lima school it looks far more real than the chaos and confusion taking place at Sandy Hook.
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Not to get too far into the ST Rosa stuff....how would they have footage of cops storming that school?

I mean...by the time choppers get there....unless there is still live action it's pretty much done....and CT State police chopper was muscling air space right? Heh

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Not to get too far into the ST Rose stuff....how would they have footage of cops storming that school?

I mean...by the time choppers get there....unless there is still live action it's pretty much done....and CT State police chopper was muscling air space right? Heh
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Not to get too far into the ST Rose stuff....how would they have footage of cops storming that school?

I mean...by the time choppers get there....unless there is still live action it's pretty much done....and CT State police chopper was muscling air space right? Heh
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Don't know that part. Iam just trying to make some sense of this like I know you are.
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Not to get too far into the ST Rose stuff....how would they have footage of cops storming that school?

I mean...by the time choppers get there....unless there is still live action it's pretty much done....and CT State police chopper was muscling air space right? Heh
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Not to get too far into the ST Rose stuff....how would they have footage of cops storming that school?

I mean...by the time choppers get there....unless there is still live action it's pretty much done....and CT State police chopper was muscling air space right? Heh
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Don't know that part. Iam just trying to make some sense of this like I know you are.
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There was a thread on this many moons ago. The attack on St. Rosa with the stormtrooping officers was done at dusk and was shown on the day of the Sandy Hook event. Someone said there was a drill at St. Rosa either the day before or a couple of days before but definitely the video shows the stormtroopers at dusk that was prepared before the day of Sandy Hook.
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You bet.

Since we are trying to figure out how they would pull off this drill I am not sure the other school should be considered.


I mean..it already seems feasible to control the information and plan the event.

Since we waded into this territory I am wondering what advantage there would for pulling off the event having some sort of action at the other school.
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I guess I would just expect cops to rush the school if they thought someone was inside shooting up little kids.

At sandy Hook Sargent Kullgren parked 350 feet away and then several minutes passed.

Wtf
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How do you control this?
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You don't. Plain and simple. You have to use media to alter perception...


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One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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I guess I would just expect cops to rush the school if they thought someone was inside shooting up little kids.

At sandy Hook Sargent Kullgren parked 350 feet away and then several minutes passed.

Wtf
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Great point.

So how do we get footage of cops storming a school? Again did the chopper have foreknowledge of the shooting to be in position to catch them charging the school.

Actually when you think about it...thats just as funny as the creepy Gene bit. Hey! Lets show footage of cops reacting to a school shooting but nobody knew about ot other than Shannon Hicks who was the only one to hear anything om the scanner.....
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One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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That is a great question that I would entertain on another thread. I dont want to figure out motive with this topic because it seems such a cesspool of brain damage. But my short quip would be gun control...my larger guess would be gun control and political money laundering.
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One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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Well, one thing they've accomplished is "stonewalling" freedom of information. Every one that had petitioned has been denied. And it appears people are ok with that. Mission accomplished!

Now let's incorporate this gesture with the claims of "fake news". Now anytime tptb feel that what is being brought up as a concern can be put into the arena of "fake news". They can stonewall any responsibility of VERIFYING what really happened.....
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I guess I would just expect cops to rush the school if they thought someone was inside shooting up little kids.

At sandy Hook Sargent Kullgren parked 350 feet away and then several minutes passed.

Wtf
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Great point.

So how do we get footage of cops storming a school? Again did the chopper have foreknowledge of the shooting to be in position to catch them charging the school.

Actually when you think about it...thats just as funny as the creepy Gene bit. Hey! Lets show footage of cops reacting to a school shooting but nobody knew about ot other than Shannon Hicks who was the only one to hear anything om the scanner.....
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I never looked at the CNN footage that close but I am going to take a second look for sure. You did bring up some good questions though..
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Very good point. Hadn't realized that so many FOIA requests were denied.
That makes good sense if even an ancillary gain.
You can withhold all data and let people make up their own theories no matter how wrong they may be: you have control.
You can withhold all data that would prove it's a fake, and you still have control. You've created chaos, proven or not, and as long as you remain unproven undisclosed, chaos will continue along with fear and doubt.

Sorry not meaning to derail OP topic.
Thanks for entertaining my question.

One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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Well, one thing they've accomplished is "stonewalling" freedom of information. Every one that had petitioned has been denied. And it appears people are ok with that. Mission accomplished!

Now let's incorporate this gesture with the claims of "fake news". Now anytime tptb feel that what is being brought up as a concern can be put into the arena of "fake news". They can stonewall any responsibility of VERIFYING what really happened.....
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One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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Control. It was a beta test of whether an event (tragedy/terrorist act) could be 100% stage managed to manipulate public opinion and completely take control of citizens' emotions and their conceptual framework. Essentially, propaganda -- preparing reactions.
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Very good point. Hadn't realized that so many FOIA requests were denied.
That makes good sense if even an ancillary gain.
You can withhold all data and let people make up their own theories no matter how wrong they may be: you have control.
You can withhold all data that would prove it's a fake, and you still have control. You've created chaos, proven or not, and as long as you remain unproven undisclosed, chaos will continue along with fear and doubt.

Sorry not meaning to derail OP topic.
Thanks for entertaining my question.

One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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Well, one thing they've accomplished is "stonewalling" freedom of information. Every one that had petitioned has been denied. And it appears people are ok with that. Mission accomplished!

Now let's incorporate this gesture with the claims of "fake news". Now anytime tptb feel that what is being brought up as a concern can be put into the arena of "fake news". They can stonewall any responsibility of VERIFYING what really happened.....
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You know what....the FOI requests were gold for TPTB. Every time someone would request info...they could stone wall and slow walk info and then they could plan.

Think about it. How do they know if they covered all their tracks? FOI!

It really makes it so the...well lets call the TPTB the " defendants". It makes it so the defendants know your investigating trail before they give you the info.

I think this was a planned part of damage control....in case someone went off the reservation.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Shit.....that's about the smartest hypothesis I've heard yet in relation to Sandy Hook. That works perfectly: it's like getting an evaluation form after you finish a project or job for someone, only it's TRULY objective and non-speculative. You sit on the request as long as you want, work on whether you think you need to release the info, actually fabricate or alter info, or simply ignore it. Hell, they can release it and redact 95% of it and claim national security and be done. The state gets state and fed support funding. They tear down a school laden with asbestos, rebuild a new one, and life goes on. Again, if things ACTUALLY happened the way we are told, it stands to reason that there would be a full release of all information. What's to hide? There's no national security risk, no terrorism plot, no second shooter, no foreign nationalists, etc. So the conjecture and events like the Church days earlier easily shove that boulder of doubt and conjecture of fake event easier up that hill.


Very good point. Hadn't realized that so many FOIA requests were denied.
That makes good sense if even an ancillary gain.
You can withhold all data and let people make up their own theories no matter how wrong they may be: you have control.
You can withhold all data that would prove it's a fake, and you still have control. You've created chaos, proven or not, and as long as you remain unproven undisclosed, chaos will continue along with fear and doubt.

Sorry not meaning to derail OP topic.
Thanks for entertaining my question.

One thing I wonder about these events, mainly this one in particular, is what was gained by doing it, assuming it was faked? I know many thought at the time that it was a ploy to get more gun control by Eric Holder, but that never happened. In fact, gun sales and ammo sales were higher under Obama because of retards thinking Dems would actually be able to 'take all their guns!'

So, what was gained? No new laws. No suspension of liberties or change in any policy. No 'war'. No nothing. So why spend "billions" making a fake event? Every mental and social element they already could have know or easily and accurately estimated from dozens of other recent "fake/false flag events". So why do yet another? Keep an air of instability fear and unrest?
I can see that to some extent. But are ANY mass shootings and killings real? Are they all fake? Is that even remotely possible and reasonable?
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Well, one thing they've accomplished is "stonewalling" freedom of information. Every one that had petitioned has been denied. And it appears people are ok with that. Mission accomplished!

Now let's incorporate this gesture with the claims of "fake news". Now anytime tptb feel that what is being brought up as a concern can be put into the arena of "fake news". They can stonewall any responsibility of VERIFYING what really happened.....
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You know what....the FOI requests were gold for TPTB. Every time someone would request info...they could stone wall and slow walk info and then they could plan.

Think about it. How do they know if they covered all their tracks? FOI!

It really makes it so the...well lets call the TPTB the " defendants". It makes it so the defendants know your investigating trail before they give you the info.

I think this was a planned part of damage control....in case someone went off the reservation.
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If you look at the CNN video footage of the cops rushing in Saint Rosa of Lima school it looks far more real than the chaos and confusion taking place at Sandy Hook.
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True.

Sandy Hook looks more like the school play just let out and people are trying to find their cars.
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Shit.....that's about the smartest hypothesis I've heard yet in relation to Sandy Hook. That works perfectly: it's like getting an evaluation form after you finish a project or job for someone, only it's TRULY objective and non-speculative. You sit on the request as long as you want, work on whether you think you need to release the info, actually fabricate or alter info, or simply ignore it. Hell, they can release it and redact 95% of it and claim national security and be done. The state gets state and fed support funding. They tear down a school laden with asbestos, rebuild a new one, and life goes on. Again, if things ACTUALLY happened the way we are told, it stands to reason that there would be a full release of all information. What's to hide? There's no national security risk, no terrorism plot, no second shooter, no foreign nationalists, etc. So the conjecture and events like the Church days earlier easily shove that boulder of doubt and conjecture of fake event easier up that hill.


Very good point. Hadn't realized that so many FOIA requests were denied.
That makes good sense if even an ancillary gain.
You can withhold all data and let people make up their own theories no matter how wrong they may be: you have control.
You can withhold all data that would prove it's a fake, and you still have control. You've created chaos, proven or not, and as long as you remain unproven undisclosed, chaos will continue along with fear and doubt.

Sorry not meaning to derail OP topic.
Thanks for entertaining my question.

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Well, one thing they've accomplished is "stonewalling" freedom of information. Every one that had petitioned has been denied. And it appears people are ok with that. Mission accomplished!

Now let's incorporate this gesture with the claims of "fake news". Now anytime tptb feel that what is being brought up as a concern can be put into the arena of "fake news". They can stonewall any responsibility of VERIFYING what really happened.....
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You know what....the FOI requests were gold for TPTB. Every time someone would request info...they could stone wall and slow walk info and then they could plan.

Think about it. How do they know if they covered all their tracks? FOI!

It really makes it so the...well lets call the TPTB the " defendants". It makes it so the defendants know your investigating trail before they give you the info.

I think this was a planned part of damage control....in case someone went off the reservation.
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Now doesn't that make perfect sense! That's how they could make all those errors earlier in the day, the killer's mother was a teacher at the school, the school nurse supposedly interviewed "alive", two guys running in the woods, nuns in van high tailing it out of the parking lot!, crazy shit! All these fabrications and an offical report that is 95% redacted! And WE THE PEOPLE don't say shit about it!!! Like, it's ok, I guess?! LOL

And we have assholes like zephyr, with her own agenda trying to steer away from the truth, fabricating and weaving her tales of Barney Fife being the killer and all his bud's covering up for him and bullshit like that! - and SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT EITHER!!

No one has to prove anything! Whatever the authorities say is SO - IS SO! Like it or not......

What is wrong with this world?????
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Gotta bump, keep this on top! Zeph is at it again.....trying to bury the truth! LOLbump
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Other than a few nuanced things I think we have pretty much put together the "how" in doing this.

I do appreciate the humor and light hearted take on these things. The creepy Gene storyline I found wayyyyy more humorous in light of what we have figured out....and the St Rosa chopper footage now seems not only out of place but just downright laughable.

On a serious note. The communications setup and government structure of CT was a great opening to put all this in perspective. I want to thank the AC that brought that to our attention.

And thank you to Zeph. Your work had caused me to constantly reevaluate my position and helped me realize that if you are promoting the fact that people are lying about the incident why stop at just one facet??...it was all just a drill embellished with an Urban Legend.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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