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There had to be layers of "in the know." The innermost ring of personnel knew it was an entirely staged event. All the remaining "rings" had no reason to believe it wasn't, based what information they had available to them. Potential loose ends from law enforcement, people who could potentially blow the cover, would be bound by very austere nondisclosure agreements from the Fed/state (i.e., job termination and "no juicy-deal pension for you, pal" -- or something worse). As a local, I can tell you that nobody knows anything more than anyone else about what happened that day, aside from the emotional currency and leverage that comes with being geographically near the "crime." The Newtown people know precisely as much about what happened as people watching on their TVs in, say, Melbourne, Australia. The event was a closed set. Info/disinfo that came out to the media was strictly controlled. Everything that followed was just reality show biz.

Any group of 10 or so reasonably intelligent people with a very big budget, access to state/federal resources, and years of planning could easily assemble the logistics to prepare a movie set, coordinate events, and carry out an event packaged and sold to the world as a tragedy. A big part of this operation would be the disinformation team, who would create sub-stories that all lead down rabbit holes. Algorithm creators.

Denying people their FOIA rights, censoring, internet harassment, and ridiculing people asking too many questions -- the PR clean-up crew of this operation -- is a project a bit less clear to me. Their work continues but will probably shut down in due time. That seems a bit messier to handle.
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Locals would know certain things, though.

Was Sandy Hook in fact a functional, operating school at the time? (some have questioned that based on pictures that seem to show it was unkempt, violated safety standards, stuff that seemed to be "stored" in classrooms, etc.)

Did people know Mrs. Lanza as a neighbor/person in the town?

If so, and if she in fact died that day, that would seem to support the idea that deaths did occur, not that the entire thing was a drill.

Because how would a drill account for the death of Mrs. Lanza?
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a cheap divorce/end of maintenance payments for a rich man
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Bumping out the flatulence.
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Was kicking around the Rosa St Lima coverage.

Did that school have kids in the same grade?
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Sandy hook was a psyop to test the American people.
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I like the coordination with the local am stations, especially the non talk transmitters that had this breaking news that day. The guy had all the information to comminicate to concerned parents on how to reach their children. This music station has a news guy on hand that day I guess...
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I like the coordination with the local am stations, especially the non talk transmitters that had this breaking news that day. The guy had all the information to comminicate to concerned parents on how to reach their children. This music station has a news guy on hand that day I guess...
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What time did they start with this info?
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Fast food and quick stop stores have music stations playing. I was in Greenwich gearing up for xmas and they interrupted George Mcihaels christmas songs on the car radio. The music host was "getting" the information it came to him so even his coworkers would know if they had a child in Newtown schools.
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Nestled down a long lonely road adjacent to a masonic lodge and next door to the creepiest neighbor you could ever have. What an excellent story......
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Gene Rosen.... Enough said.
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Well this is interesting.

We pretty much migrated to adding another location to the mix but I can't put together the reasoning. I get how it could be used for staging and all...but something is missing for this to really make sense.


Any ideas?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


You think maybe they used Lima as the location to put all the students from sandy hook that morning? Someone noticed limas school bus was at the firehouse that morning with that new clip of the little boy jumping around happily. The number of the bus coincided with a st rose of Lima school bus based on bus routes.
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Well this is interesting.

We pretty much migrated to adding another location to the mix but I can't put together the reasoning. I get how it could be used for staging and all...but something is missing for this to really make sense.


Any ideas?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


You think maybe they used Lima as the location to put all the students from sandy hook that morning? Someone noticed limas school bus was at the firehouse that morning with that new clip of the little boy jumping around happily. The number of the bus coincided with a st rose of Lima school bus based on bus routes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71367851


As a former school bus driver who occasionally had to be called on to pick up evacuating students, this "evacuation" was a joke. They tried though, I give em that.

The few busses we were allowed to see drive by for the benefit of cameras, weren't nearly enough, nor were they lined up in an orderly manner to pick up most of those nonexistent, non-evacuating 400-600 children who weren't immediately picked up by their crisis actor parading parents at the clogged up firehouse.

You have it right that the Lima school had a connection though but it's not the bus. In our State, the county busses pick up students for the parochial schools as well, so seeing a bus number slated for St. Rose wouldn't be unusual.

My thought for the Lima connection is that they needed first hand witness children to literally "hear" the pops and bangs like chairs crashing for the "impromptu" reporter interviews, so a few children were attending Sandy Hook. For the rest of the visual, non-interviewable children, they might have used a few St. Rose of Lima students to be the ones marching away from the firehouse with their actor parents. That makes 2 levels types of crisis "injection."

The main child witnesses actually interviewed like little Alexis Wastick, were professional child actors.
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Yes, little Alexis Wastick, the child actor.
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Well this is interesting.

We pretty much migrated to adding another location to the mix but I can't put together the reasoning. I get how it could be used for staging and all...but something is missing for this to really make sense.


Any ideas?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


You think maybe they used Lima as the location to put all the students from sandy hook that morning? Someone noticed limas school bus was at the firehouse that morning with that new clip of the little boy jumping around happily. The number of the bus coincided with a st rose of Lima school bus based on bus routes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71367851


As a former school bus driver who occasionally had to be called on to pick up evacuating students, this "evacuation" was a joke. They tried though, I give em that.

The few busses we were allowed to see drive by for the benefit of cameras, weren't nearly enough, nor were they lined up in an orderly manner to pick up most of those nonexistent, non-evacuating 400-600 children who weren't immediately picked up by their crisis actor parading parents at the clogged up firehouse.

You have it right that the Lima school had a connection though but it's not the bus. In our State, the county busses pick up students for the parochial schools as well, so seeing a bus number slated for St. Rose wouldn't be unusual.

My thought for the Lima connection is that they needed first hand witness children to literally "hear" the pops and bangs like chairs crashing for the "impromptu" reporter interviews, so a few children were attending Sandy Hook. For the rest of the visual, non-interviewable children, they might have used a few St. Rose of Lima students to be the ones marching away from the firehouse with their actor parents. That makes 2 levels types of crisis "injection."

The main child witnesses actually interviewed like little Alexis Wastick, were professional child actors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154


If all parents were to pick up children at the firehouse where they were evacuated to there would have been no need for buses.

I am trying to figure out why buses were even needed and how they would write them into the story.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Did Gene Rosen ever explain how he got the children back to their parents? Children that young might not even know their parents names or telephone numbers. Has any police officer ever corroborated his story? Isn't there footage of him walking around the school while the events he described supposedly happened? Just thinking out loud here, don't mind me. cool2
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Did Gene Rosen ever explain how he got the children back to their parents? Children that young might not even know their parents names or telephone numbers. Has any police officer ever corroborated his story? Isn't there footage of him walking around the school while the events he described supposedly happened? Just thinking out loud here, don't mind me. cool2
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Yes. He spoke with fork tongue. In two separate interviews, in one he said that he went to the firehouse with children, in the other the parents came to his house. Which was it Eugene?????

And yes, he was practicing for his interviews at the firehouse that morning as well. You can see it from the helicopter/drone video, as the people were circling in and through and out and around the firehouse......
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Well this is interesting.

We pretty much migrated to adding another location to the mix but I can't put together the reasoning. I get how it could be used for staging and all...but something is missing for this to really make sense.


Any ideas?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


You think maybe they used Lima as the location to put all the students from sandy hook that morning? Someone noticed limas school bus was at the firehouse that morning with that new clip of the little boy jumping around happily. The number of the bus coincided with a st rose of Lima school bus based on bus routes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71367851


As a former school bus driver who occasionally had to be called on to pick up evacuating students, this "evacuation" was a joke. They tried though, I give em that.

The few busses we were allowed to see drive by for the benefit of cameras, weren't nearly enough, nor were they lined up in an orderly manner to pick up most of those nonexistent, non-evacuating 400-600 children who weren't immediately picked up by their crisis actor parading parents at the clogged up firehouse.

You have it right that the Lima school had a connection though but it's not the bus. In our State, the county busses pick up students for the parochial schools as well, so seeing a bus number slated for St. Rose wouldn't be unusual.

My thought for the Lima connection is that they needed first hand witness children to literally "hear" the pops and bangs like chairs crashing for the "impromptu" reporter interviews, so a few children were attending Sandy Hook. For the rest of the visual, non-interviewable children, they might have used a few St. Rose of Lima students to be the ones marching away from the firehouse with their actor parents. That makes 2 levels types of crisis "injection."

The main child witnesses actually interviewed like little Alexis Wastick, were professional child actors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154


If all parents were to pick up children at the firehouse where they were evacuated to there would have been no need for buses.

I am trying to figure out why buses were even needed and how they would write them into the story.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


How else could Gene Rosen elaborate on the angry bus driver that was stern with the children that came to his house....if there weren't busses? Imagine that, they may have created the busses just for Eugene's story! LOL
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You think maybe they used Lima as the location to put all the students from sandy hook that morning? Someone noticed limas school bus was at the firehouse that morning with that new clip of the little boy jumping around happily. The number of the bus coincided with a st rose of Lima school bus based on bus routes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71367851


As a former school bus driver who occasionally had to be called on to pick up evacuating students, this "evacuation" was a joke. They tried though, I give em that.

The few busses we were allowed to see drive by for the benefit of cameras, weren't nearly enough, nor were they lined up in an orderly manner to pick up most of those nonexistent, non-evacuating 400-600 children who weren't immediately picked up by their crisis actor parading parents at the clogged up firehouse.

You have it right that the Lima school had a connection though but it's not the bus. In our State, the county busses pick up students for the parochial schools as well, so seeing a bus number slated for St. Rose wouldn't be unusual.

My thought for the Lima connection is that they needed first hand witness children to literally "hear" the pops and bangs like chairs crashing for the "impromptu" reporter interviews, so a few children were attending Sandy Hook. For the rest of the visual, non-interviewable children, they might have used a few St. Rose of Lima students to be the ones marching away from the firehouse with their actor parents. That makes 2 levels types of crisis "injection."

The main child witnesses actually interviewed like little Alexis Wastick, were professional child actors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154


If all parents were to pick up children at the firehouse where they were evacuated to there would have been no need for buses.

I am trying to figure out why buses were even needed and how they would write them into the story.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


How else could Gene Rosen elaborate on the angry bus driver that was stern with the children that came to his house....if there weren't busses? Imagine that, they may have created the busses just for Eugene's story! LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74630877


Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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As a former school bus driver who occasionally had to be called on to pick up evacuating students, this "evacuation" was a joke. They tried though, I give em that.

The few busses we were allowed to see drive by for the benefit of cameras, weren't nearly enough, nor were they lined up in an orderly manner to pick up most of those nonexistent, non-evacuating 400-600 children who weren't immediately picked up by their crisis actor parading parents at the clogged up firehouse.

You have it right that the Lima school had a connection though but it's not the bus. In our State, the county busses pick up students for the parochial schools as well, so seeing a bus number slated for St. Rose wouldn't be unusual.

My thought for the Lima connection is that they needed first hand witness children to literally "hear" the pops and bangs like chairs crashing for the "impromptu" reporter interviews, so a few children were attending Sandy Hook. For the rest of the visual, non-interviewable children, they might have used a few St. Rose of Lima students to be the ones marching away from the firehouse with their actor parents. That makes 2 levels types of crisis "injection."

The main child witnesses actually interviewed like little Alexis Wastick, were professional child actors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154


If all parents were to pick up children at the firehouse where they were evacuated to there would have been no need for buses.

I am trying to figure out why buses were even needed and how they would write them into the story.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


How else could Gene Rosen elaborate on the angry bus driver that was stern with the children that came to his house....if there weren't busses? Imagine that, they may have created the busses just for Eugene's story! LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74630877


Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
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If all parents were to pick up children at the firehouse where they were evacuated to there would have been no need for buses.

I am trying to figure out why buses were even needed and how they would write them into the story.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


How else could Gene Rosen elaborate on the angry bus driver that was stern with the children that came to his house....if there weren't busses? Imagine that, they may have created the busses just for Eugene's story! LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74630877


Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154



So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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How else could Gene Rosen elaborate on the angry bus driver that was stern with the children that came to his house....if there weren't busses? Imagine that, they may have created the busses just for Eugene's story! LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74630877


Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154



So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Of course "something" happened at Sandy Hook. The few kids that attended were there in lockdown. They were the ones to "hear" the shooting so described as "banging like chairs hitting." Those sounds were real. Their description was real. The only thing wasn't real, was a real killer shooting children. Just a shooter to make the sound.

But speaking of these specially planted students and their small number, take a tour of the cafeteria browsing the Official Evidence File, "WDMCS School Interior 4" starting at the 40:1 mark.  

First, you'll see no evidence of breakfast finished and cleaned up. Dry sinks/emptied delivery cart. Scan further to the 41 mark and you will see lunch in the first process of being prepared.  Looks like it's going to be Pizza and Jello day!  Yay!  Now, count the rectangles and note the size. Do you think those 5 pizzas and couple dozen jello cups will feed 400 - 600 students plus staff?  Will that even feed 100? 50? No. But it will for a much smaller number of students and staff. And what's with all the paperwork on the prep table and other areas? Food Inspectors would have a field day.

Not too sure what you meant about keeping records straight but if there's any "records" associated with Sandy Hook you can almost bet they're all part of the 2-3 year intrinsically, prepared plan. Anyone or many "ones" can type up a record/minutes/activity schedule and plant a false date on it and they had enough time to do it.
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Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154



So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Of course "something" happened at Sandy Hook. The few kids that attended were there in lockdown. They were the ones to "hear" the shooting so described as "banging like chairs hitting." Those sounds were real. Their description was real. The only thing wasn't real, was a real killer shooting children. Just a shooter to make the sound.

But speaking of these specially planted students and their small number, take a tour of the cafeteria browsing the Official Evidence File, "WDMCS School Interior 4" starting at the 40:1 mark.  

First, you'll see no evidence of breakfast finished and cleaned up. Dry sinks/emptied delivery cart. Scan further to the 41 mark and you will see lunch in the first process of being prepared.  Looks like it's going to be Pizza and Jello day!  Yay!  Now, count the rectangles and note the size. Do you think those 5 pizzas and couple dozen jello cups will feed 400 - 600 students plus staff?  Will that even feed 100? 50? No. But it will for a much smaller number of students and staff. And what's with all the paperwork on the prep table and other areas? Food Inspectors would have a field day.

Not too sure what you meant about keeping records straight but if there's any "records" associated with Sandy Hook you can almost bet they're all part of the 2-3 year intrinsically, prepared plan. Anyone or many "ones" can type up a record/minutes/activity schedule and plant a false date on it and they had enough time to do it.
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So how many kids do you suspect were there? And why were they there? And would you say that the parents of these special needs or whatever reason these kids are at a school that is in multiple violations and must legally be inoperative, are involved with the scam?
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Heh maybe.

Gosh...just think of it. Not only is Mean Gene's story so full of bullshit...they still decided to try and incorporate it into the Urban Legend when faced with his little tale. Shows just how empty the story was. Again I find myself laughing at the obvious predicament Mean Gene put TPTB in.

Going back to the other school usage...it would make sense to move some students to Sandy Hook temporarily for the drill. To bus them over from another school seems odd.
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When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
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So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
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Of course "something" happened at Sandy Hook. The few kids that attended were there in lockdown. They were the ones to "hear" the shooting so described as "banging like chairs hitting." Those sounds were real. Their description was real. The only thing wasn't real, was a real killer shooting children. Just a shooter to make the sound.

But speaking of these specially planted students and their small number, take a tour of the cafeteria browsing the Official Evidence File, "WDMCS School Interior 4" starting at the 40:1 mark.  

First, you'll see no evidence of breakfast finished and cleaned up. Dry sinks/emptied delivery cart. Scan further to the 41 mark and you will see lunch in the first process of being prepared.  Looks like it's going to be Pizza and Jello day!  Yay!  Now, count the rectangles and note the size. Do you think those 5 pizzas and couple dozen jello cups will feed 400 - 600 students plus staff?  Will that even feed 100? 50? No. But it will for a much smaller number of students and staff. And what's with all the paperwork on the prep table and other areas? Food Inspectors would have a field day.

Not too sure what you meant about keeping records straight but if there's any "records" associated with Sandy Hook you can almost bet they're all part of the 2-3 year intrinsically, prepared plan. Anyone or many "ones" can type up a record/minutes/activity schedule and plant a false date on it and they had enough time to do it.
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I was thinking of the chaos.

Say they evacuate the kids and cram all 400 into the fire station ( must have used the same technique as the 3 x 5 bathroom kid stacking trick ) and now they somehow need to get loved ones the info on how they can claim them for pick up.

I mean...according to the bullshi...I mean narrative there may have still been a shooter or maybe not had the area secure based on all the snipers and other cops patrolling. So parents picking up kids would have had to be screened... and I cant imagine they would just " let them go".

Anyway that was a loose end I was kicking around.

What if they had the drill at St Rose and ....shit that's the kids they interviewed. Ohhh yeah. Now you put all the schools in lockdown so nobody knows what is going on
Send the authorities to Sandy Hook. Boom. Done.

That was easy.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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When you look at the news footage, first you see that quite a bit of it was re-used over and over by various networks. This wasn't noticed at the time of course.

Flashes of that footage shows parents with their children holding their hands, rushing away, being held, etc., etc. The picture of hurried relief and fear.

Take a look at the footage again. Not that many children with parents are actually seen, at least in comparison with the amount of children that would supposedly be coming from a school of 400 - 600 students in attendance. (Was that final amount ever settled on? Don't know but it doesn't matter, because that school was closed.)

It's already established that there was no recorded evacuation, other than one (or 2) still pictures. There was no organized bus evacuation despite the few busses seen. So, that means that what we see in children is all there was and it really wasn't that many in comparison of what would be expected.

Were these children from St. Rose or homeschooled on a very special field trip day? Who knows? At any rate, they probably came by bus and dropped off at the firehouse early on and when their crisis actor parent or relative came and the "Action!" sign was given, in a staggered release, they were walked out to do their scene.

(I seem to vaguely remember seeing a Goggle Earth photo taken a few days or a week before SH, that showed the St. Rose parking lot with a large number of cars oddly parked not within lines but in a parallel fashion, lining along the outside perimeter of the school yard, on a Saturday I believe. Logistics rehearsal?)
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So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
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Of course "something" happened at Sandy Hook. The few kids that attended were there in lockdown. They were the ones to "hear" the shooting so described as "banging like chairs hitting." Those sounds were real. Their description was real. The only thing wasn't real, was a real killer shooting children. Just a shooter to make the sound.

But speaking of these specially planted students and their small number, take a tour of the cafeteria browsing the Official Evidence File, "WDMCS School Interior 4" starting at the 40:1 mark.  

First, you'll see no evidence of breakfast finished and cleaned up. Dry sinks/emptied delivery cart. Scan further to the 41 mark and you will see lunch in the first process of being prepared.  Looks like it's going to be Pizza and Jello day!  Yay!  Now, count the rectangles and note the size. Do you think those 5 pizzas and couple dozen jello cups will feed 400 - 600 students plus staff?  Will that even feed 100? 50? No. But it will for a much smaller number of students and staff. And what's with all the paperwork on the prep table and other areas? Food Inspectors would have a field day.

Not too sure what you meant about keeping records straight but if there's any "records" associated with Sandy Hook you can almost bet they're all part of the 2-3 year intrinsically, prepared plan. Anyone or many "ones" can type up a record/minutes/activity schedule and plant a false date on it and they had enough time to do it.
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I was thinking of the chaos.

Say they evacuate the kids and cram all 400 into the fire station ( must have used the same technique as the 3 x 5 bathroom kid stacking trick ) and now they somehow need to get loved ones the info on how they can claim them for pick up.

I mean...according to the bullshi...I mean narrative there may have still been a shooter or maybe not had the area secure based on all the snipers and other cops patrolling. So parents picking up kids would have had to be screened... and I cant imagine they would just " let them go".

Anyway that was a loose end I was kicking around.

What if they had the drill at St Rose and ....shit that's the kids they interviewed. Ohhh yeah. Now you put all the schools in lockdown so nobody knows what is going on
Send the authorities to Sandy Hook. Boom. Done.

That was easy.
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Good catch on the firehouse/bathroom comparison. After the helicopter and all the cameras literally missing an entire evacuation, how did they not only corral but process 400+ students for release in such a packed place? Photos of the interior bay area show only a few kids with a whole lot of grownups and water. Where were the rest? They weren't on the street for sure.

Also, because the school and it's files were off limits and the secretary was still in "hiding" lockdown for 4 HOURS, where did they get the roster in the first place? Even if was faxed in from the school board, can you imagine the chaos to process all those groups of kids of all ages in such a small place without even a line of parents forming a line outside with their ID's out?
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Wondering if Robbie Parker was put on a plane to Israel; maybe he lives there?
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So then nothing at all occurred in the Sandy Hook building. Other than a few outside photos...nobody was really ever in the school...

The logistics of this would seem to have been more problematic but I will ponder it.

If the kids and teachers were evacuated to the fire house for parents and loved ones to come get.......how did they keep records straight?
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Of course "something" happened at Sandy Hook. The few kids that attended were there in lockdown. They were the ones to "hear" the shooting so described as "banging like chairs hitting." Those sounds were real. Their description was real. The only thing wasn't real, was a real killer shooting children. Just a shooter to make the sound.

But speaking of these specially planted students and their small number, take a tour of the cafeteria browsing the Official Evidence File, "WDMCS School Interior 4" starting at the 40:1 mark.  

First, you'll see no evidence of breakfast finished and cleaned up. Dry sinks/emptied delivery cart. Scan further to the 41 mark and you will see lunch in the first process of being prepared.  Looks like it's going to be Pizza and Jello day!  Yay!  Now, count the rectangles and note the size. Do you think those 5 pizzas and couple dozen jello cups will feed 400 - 600 students plus staff?  Will that even feed 100? 50? No. But it will for a much smaller number of students and staff. And what's with all the paperwork on the prep table and other areas? Food Inspectors would have a field day.

Not too sure what you meant about keeping records straight but if there's any "records" associated with Sandy Hook you can almost bet they're all part of the 2-3 year intrinsically, prepared plan. Anyone or many "ones" can type up a record/minutes/activity schedule and plant a false date on it and they had enough time to do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10481154


I was thinking of the chaos.

Say they evacuate the kids and cram all 400 into the fire station ( must have used the same technique as the 3 x 5 bathroom kid stacking trick ) and now they somehow need to get loved ones the info on how they can claim them for pick up.

I mean...according to the bullshi...I mean narrative there may have still been a shooter or maybe not had the area secure based on all the snipers and other cops patrolling. So parents picking up kids would have had to be screened... and I cant imagine they would just " let them go".

Anyway that was a loose end I was kicking around.

What if they had the drill at St Rose and ....shit that's the kids they interviewed. Ohhh yeah. Now you put all the schools in lockdown so nobody knows what is going on
Send the authorities to Sandy Hook. Boom. Done.

That was easy.
 Quoting: Dudeashaneo


Good catch on the firehouse/bathroom comparison. After the helicopter and all the cameras literally missing an entire evacuation, how did they not only corral but process 400+ students for release in such a packed place? Photos of the interior bay area show only a few kids with a whole lot of grownups and water. Where were the rest? They weren't on the street for sure.

Also, because the school and it's files were off limits and the secretary was still in "hiding" lockdown for 4 HOURS, where did they get the roster in the first place? Even if was faxed in from the school board, can you imagine the chaos to process all those groups of kids of all ages in such a small place without even a line of parents forming a line outside with their ID's out?
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Woah! very good point about the roster.

It's easy to get caught up in the supposed craziness of the day but you still need a process...which they claimed they had.
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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Pondered the bussing to location and it seems plausible.

Then there is no need to make sure the school is "unmothballed" for a temporary event.

It looks as though the demolition of the school was a foregone conclusion.
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I like to think of "crowd sourcing" as zeroing in on one big scene. The "optics" of the first roll out scene is the most important. That's the one to set the stage and stay in our consciousness.

The helicopter was the first to set the scene, grabbing the TV public's attention to anxiously watch with worry and wondering of what went down. Nobody noticed the "circling" at that point.

Suddenly, out pops the kids and parents walking down the street with some doing interviews to help supply "some" information until the "official" word came out. Scenes of crying and collapsing parents were horrifyingly sad.

The scene then moves to the "official" talking park and the rest of the storyline is history.

It wasn't until Robbie Parker spoke and someone caught the "smile" he made.

That's when the news tapes were revisited by an alert observer and analyzed, noting lots and lots and lots of faked anomalies, leading on to more, and more and MORE fake anomalies, proving with undoubtable circumstantial evidence, Sandy Hook was a Hoax.

And to think, it ALL could have been stopped with not only news cameras but just one (1) "crowd" observer with the ever present camera phone video, or even series of phone pictures of the evacuation of a legitimate number of elementary students coming down a street for safety.

But.....as we all know, in all that crowd, there was NONE!!

Yes, Sandy Hood was big, it was entailed, it took at least up to 3 years of planning, placing and it encompassed entities of government all the way to the top. From the "no-tear," "crying" President Obama, Governor Malloy, FEMA, Homeland Security and more. Many more.

(And you know, if we hadn't "caught" it, the Gun Ban would have gone through and America as we know it, would have ended a lot sooner, like, 12-14-12.)
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