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Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/05/2017 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Interior Department reveals 22 monuments under review The Interior Department on Friday announced the 22 monuments in 11 states and five marine monuments that it is asking the public to comment on whether the federal land is being put to the best use. Among the national monuments being reviewed are the Bain and Range in Nevada, Bears Ears in Utah, Berryessa Snow Mountain in California, Canyons of the Ancients in Colorado, Carrizo Plain in California, Cascade Siskiyou in Oregon, Craters of the Moon in Idaho, Giant Sequoia in California, Gold Butte in Nevada, Grand Canyon-Parashant in Arizona, Grand Staircase-Escalante in Utah, Hanford Reach in Washington, Ironwood Forest in Arizona, Mojave Trails in California, Organ-Mountains-Desert Peaks in New Mexico, Rio Grande del Norte in New Mexico, Sand to Snow in California, San Gabriel Mountains in California, Sonoran Desert in Arizona, Upper Missouri River Breaks in Montana and the Vermilion Cliffs in Arizona. [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com] |
Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/05/2017 07:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Interior Department Releases List of Monuments Under Review, Announces First-Ever Formal Public Comment Period for Antiquities Act Monuments The Department of the Interior today announced the first ever formal public comment period for members of the public to officially weigh in on monument designations under the Antiquities Act of 1906, and the Department released a list of monuments under review under the President’s Executive Order 13792, issued April 26, 2017. A public comment period is not required for monument designations under the Antiquities Act; however, Secretary of the Interior Ryan Zinke and President Trump both strongly believe that local input is a critical component of federal land management. Comments may be submitted online after May 12 at [link to www.regulations.gov] by entering “DOI-2017-0002” in the Search bar and clicking “Search,” or by mail to Monument Review, MS-1530, U.S. Department of the Interior, 1849 C Street NW, Washington, DC 20240. [link to www.doi.gov (secure)] |
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Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/05/2017 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Trump right to challenge outdated Antiquities Act The irony about the Antiquities Act is that it was only ever intended to preserve small parcels of land in conjunction with a historic or scientific object. The text of the Act imposes two limits. First, the Act limits presidential authority to specific “objects” of historical or scientific interest. Second, it limits the executive’s authority over adjacent land “to the smallest area compatible” with the protection of said object. Indeed, the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. John F. Lacey, rejected out-of-hand — “Certainly not” — the now-prophetic suggestion that the Antiquities Act might be used to tie up “seventy or eighty million acres of land.” Despite these textual limitations, the Supreme Court has endorsed nearly unfettered presidential discretion under the Antiquities Act. The text cannot be interpreted so capaciously, but since the Court has declined substantively to review any monument designation for size or scope, abuses of the Act continue to go unchecked. [link to thehill.com] |
X1811 User ID: 73316485 ![]() 05/05/2017 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision I like Sec. Zinke, former Navy SEAL. Heard his intro speech. I support this memorial if: 1. They use the true legal name Barry Soetoro 2. Monuments are built in Kenya and Indonesia not NV and CO. This will be a major SJW trigger! The optimist would say maybe this is indicative of a plan to prosecute BO and ensure no money or favor is wasted on memorializing a convicted traitor. I'm willing to bet! ![]() All characters and events in this forum --even those based on real people-- are entirely fictional. All celebrity comments are impersonated...poorly. The above post contains coarse language and due to the content it should not be viewed by anyone. |
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X1811 User ID: 73316485 ![]() 05/05/2017 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision :DJTFuckYeah: :Trump Pepe: All characters and events in this forum --even those based on real people-- are entirely fictional. All celebrity comments are impersonated...poorly. The above post contains coarse language and due to the content it should not be viewed by anyone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47643906 ![]() 05/05/2017 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Now that the shit stirring - trouble making racist SOB is gone, how about we restore the history of the south by placing statues of Confederate Patriots back where they belong...? |
The Comedian :D User ID: 38615770 ![]() 05/05/2017 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision x2 Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
The Comedian :D User ID: 38615770 ![]() 05/05/2017 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Now that the shit stirring - trouble making racist SOB is gone, how about we restore the history of the south by placing statues of Confederate Patriots back where they belong...? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47643906 ![]() Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70617131 ![]() 05/05/2017 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision I don't like a single hair on obamas head; but the Escalante grand staircase and bears ear holds a special place in my life and those who have spent time in the Utah canyonlands. IMHO best to leave it alone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70964184 ![]() 05/06/2017 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision I don't like a single hair on obamas head; but the Escalante grand staircase and bears ear holds a special place in my life and those who have spent time in the Utah canyonlands. IMHO best to leave it alone. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70617131 Exactly. Should never have been designated monuments. The designation only draws attention from city dwelling outsiders who come and destroy the landscape. |
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Nikola Tesla User ID: 72788982 ![]() 05/06/2017 02:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision ^^ I Agree. ![]() "One person with courage is a majority." - Thomas Jefferson "You’ve heard that we are what we eat. But we also are what we think". “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." -William F. Buckley Jr. |
The Starbuckian User ID: 70553601 ![]() 05/06/2017 03:34 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision There's over a trillion dollars of the very best low sulfur enviro - coal waiting to be mined under the Grand Escalate National Monument. Mexico is even planning on building a new power plant, specifically for the purpose of burning that coal. That whole plateau is due to be excavated, providing lots and lots of high paying mining related jobs. If this happens, say goodbye to any naturally occurring surface springs. Probably hardly anyone goes there, so not much will be missed or appreciated if the coal is removed and the area sinks due to subsidence. Money is more important, and jobs to put food on the table of all those miner's kids. From article linked below: "The New York Times reported that the monument encloses the largest coal field in the nation, the Kaiparowitz Plateau, which contains at least 7 billion tons of coal worth over $1 TRILLION. Kentucky-based company Andalux Resources, which holds leases on 3,400 acres in the area, was planning to open a huge operation (underground, not strip mining) that would have generated 1,000 jobs, $1 million in annual revenue for Kane County, and at least $10 million a year in state and federal taxes, according to the New York Times." [link to www.laissez-fairerepublic.com] "Good Queen Sarah, protect us from the black dog, King" - from the play, Dissocia "Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful." - Kate Smith "Life is tougher if you're stupid" - John Wayne "Never be anyone's French poodle." - Mr Hamilton |
The Starbuckian User ID: 70553601 ![]() 05/06/2017 03:49 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Trump right to challenge outdated Antiquities Act Quoting: Daniel Higdon The irony about the Antiquities Act is that it was only ever intended to preserve small parcels of land in conjunction with a historic or scientific object. The text of the Act imposes two limits. First, the Act limits presidential authority to specific “objects” of historical or scientific interest. Second, it limits the executive’s authority over adjacent land “to the smallest area compatible” with the protection of said object. Indeed, the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. John F. Lacey, rejected out-of-hand — “Certainly not” — the now-prophetic suggestion that the Antiquities Act might be used to tie up “seventy or eighty million acres of land.” Despite these textual limitations, the Supreme Court has endorsed nearly unfettered presidential discretion under the Antiquities Act. The text cannot be interpreted so capaciously, but since the Court has declined substantively to review any monument designation for size or scope, abuses of the Act continue to go unchecked. [link to thehill.com] You're talking about an abusive government tying up land so that it can't be developed? Hero trump may open the whole region like lifting the lid from a can of food, for a multitude of mining interests; from Uranium, to gold, to lead, to copper, to rare-earth metals, to anything else that will seriously abuse and poison the land, for good! not likely any city dweller will go there after they get done with extracting everything remotely valuable from that land. A lot of the old mines were never reclaimed, probably because they knew that all those old mines would one day re-open. "Good Queen Sarah, protect us from the black dog, King" - from the play, Dissocia "Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful." - Kate Smith "Life is tougher if you're stupid" - John Wayne "Never be anyone's French poodle." - Mr Hamilton |
Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/06/2017 05:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Trump right to challenge outdated Antiquities Act Quoting: Daniel Higdon The irony about the Antiquities Act is that it was only ever intended to preserve small parcels of land in conjunction with a historic or scientific object. The text of the Act imposes two limits. First, the Act limits presidential authority to specific “objects” of historical or scientific interest. Second, it limits the executive’s authority over adjacent land “to the smallest area compatible” with the protection of said object. Indeed, the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. John F. Lacey, rejected out-of-hand — “Certainly not” — the now-prophetic suggestion that the Antiquities Act might be used to tie up “seventy or eighty million acres of land.” Despite these textual limitations, the Supreme Court has endorsed nearly unfettered presidential discretion under the Antiquities Act. The text cannot be interpreted so capaciously, but since the Court has declined substantively to review any monument designation for size or scope, abuses of the Act continue to go unchecked. [link to thehill.com] You're talking about an abusive government tying up land so that it can't be developed? Hero trump may open the whole region like lifting the lid from a can of food, for a multitude of mining interests; from Uranium, to gold, to lead, to copper, to rare-earth metals, to anything else that will seriously abuse and poison the land, for good! not likely any city dweller will go there after they get done with extracting everything remotely valuable from that land. A lot of the old mines were never reclaimed, probably because they knew that all those old mines would one day re-open. There are environmental regulations in place for mining. Yes I realize those regulations aren't always followed and/or damage to the environment still occurs. However, it is not the place of the rest of the country or a President to decide to totally wipe out the local economy of another region by taking millions of acres of land out of that economy. There are already national parks and forests that provide a place for city dwellers to go and enjoy the wilderness. Agenda 2030 means that large swaths of land will be closed off to the public anyway. I believe that this has already happened in several areas. Also, the government very likely has plans to mine the land that has been stolen and made into National Monuments. Remember Hillary selling our uranium to Russia? |
Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/06/2017 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Ranchers applaud President Trump's review of 'massive federal land grab' "The view from the Potomac is a lot different than the view from the Yellowstone or the Colorado,” Zinke said in a press release late last month. “Too many times, you have people in D.C. who have never been to an area, never grazed the land, fished the river, driven the trails, or looked locals in the eye, who are making the decisions and they have zero accountability to the impacted communities. I'm interested in listening to those folks. That's what my team and I will be doing in the next few months." <snip> “Any denial of legitimate access is a loss,” she said. “Hunters, outfitters, the guy who owns a little motel where hunters stay… Where you have these areas people cannot access, it is a loss of jobs. It clearly affects those little communities and little towns that rely on those jobs.” [link to www.foxnews.com] |
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Daniel Higdon (OP) User ID: 69657566 ![]() 05/06/2017 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Thank you so much for posting the documentary! I don't have AT&T or Direct TV so I wasn't able to see it. It is such an important story that needs to be told! Quoting: GreaterGood I was reminded again while watching the documentary how this situation reminded me of the regulator wars prior to the American Revolution. I wonder if one day history will include these conflicts as a lead up to the next revolutionary war here. I can't help but wonder about the timing for the documentary though. Odd that it came out so close to the signing of President Trump's new executive order. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40036445 ![]() 05/06/2017 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Now that the shit stirring - trouble making racist SOB is gone, how about we restore the history of the south by placing statues of Confederate Patriots back where they belong...? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47643906 :rebflagbikini2: :Pepe010: You heard the man lady! ![]() |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70617131 ![]() 05/06/2017 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Trump right to challenge outdated Antiquities Act Quoting: Daniel Higdon The irony about the Antiquities Act is that it was only ever intended to preserve small parcels of land in conjunction with a historic or scientific object. The text of the Act imposes two limits. First, the Act limits presidential authority to specific “objects” of historical or scientific interest. Second, it limits the executive’s authority over adjacent land “to the smallest area compatible” with the protection of said object. Indeed, the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. John F. Lacey, rejected out-of-hand — “Certainly not” — the now-prophetic suggestion that the Antiquities Act might be used to tie up “seventy or eighty million acres of land.” Despite these textual limitations, the Supreme Court has endorsed nearly unfettered presidential discretion under the Antiquities Act. The text cannot be interpreted so capaciously, but since the Court has declined substantively to review any monument designation for size or scope, abuses of the Act continue to go unchecked. [link to thehill.com] You're talking about an abusive government tying up land so that it can't be developed? Hero trump may open the whole region like lifting the lid from a can of food, for a multitude of mining interests; from Uranium, to gold, to lead, to copper, to rare-earth metals, to anything else that will seriously abuse and poison the land, for good! not likely any city dweller will go there after they get done with extracting everything remotely valuable from that land. A lot of the old mines were never reclaimed, probably because they knew that all those old mines would one day re-open. There are environmental regulations in place for mining. Yes I realize those regulations aren't always followed and/or damage to the environment still occurs. However, it is not the place of the rest of the country or a President to decide to totally wipe out the local economy of another region by taking millions of acres of land out of that economy. There are already national parks and forests that provide a place for city dwellers to go and enjoy the wilderness. Agenda 2030 means that large swaths of land will be closed off to the public anyway. I believe that this has already happened in several areas. Also, the government very likely has plans to mine the land that has been stolen and made into National Monuments. Remember Hillary selling our uranium to Russia? Yeah No. this is an entirely unique geological formation and ecosystem millions of years in the making... It is shortsighted to fuck it up completely for some cash. |
beeches User ID: 74276477 ![]() 05/06/2017 01:14 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision nothing obumma did was worthwhile. nothing. even if wears the proper paperwork and is supposed to protect something, it is trash. we only have each other. And that makes us rich.. . . Wisdom in the man, patience in the wife, brings peace to the house and a happy life. |
The Starbuckian User ID: 70553601 ![]() 05/07/2017 03:33 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Update: Public Comment Period has Started - Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke launches process to roll back Obama monument decision Trump right to challenge outdated Antiquities Act Quoting: Daniel Higdon The irony about the Antiquities Act is that it was only ever intended to preserve small parcels of land in conjunction with a historic or scientific object. The text of the Act imposes two limits. First, the Act limits presidential authority to specific “objects” of historical or scientific interest. Second, it limits the executive’s authority over adjacent land “to the smallest area compatible” with the protection of said object. Indeed, the bill’s sponsor, U.S. Rep. John F. Lacey, rejected out-of-hand — “Certainly not” — the now-prophetic suggestion that the Antiquities Act might be used to tie up “seventy or eighty million acres of land.” Despite these textual limitations, the Supreme Court has endorsed nearly unfettered presidential discretion under the Antiquities Act. The text cannot be interpreted so capaciously, but since the Court has declined substantively to review any monument designation for size or scope, abuses of the Act continue to go unchecked. [link to thehill.com] You're talking about an abusive government tying up land so that it can't be developed? Hero trump may open the whole region like lifting the lid from a can of food, for a multitude of mining interests; from Uranium, to gold, to lead, to copper, to rare-earth metals, to anything else that will seriously abuse and poison the land, for good! not likely any city dweller will go there after they get done with extracting everything remotely valuable from that land. A lot of the old mines were never reclaimed, probably because they knew that all those old mines would one day re-open. There are environmental regulations in place for mining. Yes I realize those regulations aren't always followed and/or damage to the environment still occurs. However, it is not the place of the rest of the country or a President to decide to totally wipe out the local economy of another region by taking millions of acres of land out of that economy. There are already national parks and forests that provide a place for city dwellers to go and enjoy the wilderness. Agenda 2030 means that large swaths of land will be closed off to the public anyway. I believe that this has already happened in several areas. Also, the government very likely has plans to mine the land that has been stolen and made into National Monuments. Remember Hillary selling our uranium to Russia? Hillary's deal would have employed many local people to strip mine the lands around Burns, Oregon which are naturally enriched with Uranium. Both ranchers and wildlife enthusiasts would have been upset. However, anyone else employed by the mines would have had very lucrative wages. The deal Hillary put together would have had the Russians enrich the Uranium mined in the US, over in Russia instead of having it done in the US where it would have made another Hanford or Piketon, before returning it to the US. Regarding unreclaimed mines; Uranium, copper, and lead mines can be found in the Western states. "Good Queen Sarah, protect us from the black dog, King" - from the play, Dissocia "Too much of a good thing, can be wonderful." - Kate Smith "Life is tougher if you're stupid" - John Wayne "Never be anyone's French poodle." - Mr Hamilton |