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Is our universe a simulation? What that would mean.

 
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Is our universe a simulation? What that would mean.
EDIT: Please only reply if you actually understand the overall point and to what I am elaborating upon in my post.

I'd like to elaborate on how most individuals potentially go down the wrong path prior to hearing about the simulation hypothesis. Keep in mind that this is only going by my interpretation and that there are many others.

My overall point being that when dealing with something as grand in scope as this, limitations are self-destructive/

Going by the simulation hypothesis, the very concept of conceptualising the creators / creator of our simulation and what power / machinery they may use to host it is a rather counterproductive way of looking at it since our only understanding of what is required to host said simulations comes from what we have witnessed within the simulation. To "them", creating something like our universe, and possibly may other universes / simulations could be as easy as it is for us to blink.

They could possibly not even be beings in the way that we perceive what is to exist in the first place, since our only evidence and proof of existence and its underlying mechanics comes solely from our experiences within the simulation.

Assuming that our simulated universe / world is even made up of code is again limiting the outcomes and probabilities as to what our creator most likely is by unfortunately being limited to the only mechanisms that we can understand, perceive and project existing only within the simulation.

Imagine the smartest Sim you can, that Sim could possibly question their reality and could even go as far as to test whether their concepts of it being simulated are in fact justified scientifically. They will however, never be able to know how the simulation works since, from their perspective they may be highly intelligent beings but to us they are nothing more than a random bunch pf pixels on a screen gathered together using whatever means we saw necessary to create their image. Furthermore that Sim is in no way a being to you than a stick man on a piece of paper is a highly useful and hard working member of our society.

The very concept and prospect of what something is, what a physical thing is and, or what makes up matter, and furthermore what matter is could possibly only be a product of our simulation and may not exist outside our simulation. I know that is a hard concept to get your head around, that everything has to be something right? Well no, everything we can perceive and that exists within our simulation is, but that however could only be the results of what ever parameters our simulation follows. To those who created our simulation or who are currently running it, the concept of physical matter could be something they added purely out of curiosity and they themselves could be made up of some form other pure energy. But calling them "energy" and saying that they are made up of anything is again counterproductive since those are the only options for existence that we are aware of, or are limited to within our simulation.

Imagining that anything "outside" our simulation in any way mirrors or resembles what is inside our simulation in any way possible is our only conceivable thought process since all we can know is all we can perceive and all that exists within the simulation.

I really do not wish to discuss religion here
since that will most likely lead to arguing but I will admit that many simulation theories, and said simulation creators could hypothetically share all aspects and powers that most religions tend to associate with their chosen deity as having.

I'm not trying to put a downer on the subject, I'm simply elaborating on how large The Simulation hypothesis is in scale and what it truly could mean.

It is an annoyingly hard subject to fully conceptualise and requires a great deal of out of the box thinking. Well, out of the box that nothing, including yourself is or can be outside of.
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I am not into simulation theory because just like the theory of evolution...

its like people who are smug like theories that explain the everything so they can say they understand how everything works.

Ego walks on from there.

On the other hand I love simulations.

Have you ever worked with Arena?
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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Also simulations will not model reality because there are always more variables than the modeler can understand and put into the model.

I have read that the trick is that each individual are the source and editor of our own simulation...

Now We do have simulation abilities.

I can project many things with my mind based on many things...

but my vision alone is incomplete...

unless I have the information for black shoals... than I can be pretty much spot on.

Who couldn't?
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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I am not into simulation theory because just like the theory of evolution...

its like people who are smug like theories that explain the everything so they can say they understand how everything works.

Ego walks on from there.

On the other hand I love simulations.

Have you ever worked with Arena?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


There is literally no reason as to why evolution could not be simulated since evolution could be the byproduct and elaboration of what we would perceive as or call a highly basic algorithm. As I said above, comparing anything outside our simulation to what is inside the actual simulation would be completely unfounded and naive and would most likely stem more from our need to feel unique or special rather than to progress a scientific hypothesis. Our entire universe and every mechanic at work within it, no matter how complex it may seem to us could be as simple and rudimentary to the simulators as the most basis "Dot-to-Dot" book is to the average child.

"The Game of Life" is a great example of how very few instructions can create impossibly complex systems.

I am currently working with simulations yes, protein simulations.
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It's still real regardless of its label. People and animals still die. We all still experience joy, happiness, pain, and suffering.

You think all our emotions and experiences are being quantified somewhere on a magnetic hard drive? Probably not.


In the view of the creator and the angels and those who dwell in heaven, yes, this creation operates like a simulation.


There are many purposes to it. The next purpose of the universe, or the world, or this "simulation" will be to separate the wicked from the righteous (which it's nearly complete from what I can observe)



Fear God and give Him glory, very soon the hour of trial will come. It's going to be very very bad, no flesh would be saved unless Jesus returns.


I'm praying for your OP. I like your thinking. You have some good questions, a well grounded imagination when it comes to figuring this stuff out, and a decent understanding on things.

Don't be too quick to discredit religion, you'll never know who might be your best friend hoping you'll be safe, protected, and blessed no matter what life gives you.

Those are some pearls for your OP, please be respectful and do not trample them. If you truly are not interested in religion, or the truth rather, then I will leave you be.

I will leave you with some peace though.

Take care.
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It's still real regardless of its label. People and animals still die. We all still experience joy, happiness, pain, and suffering.

You think all our emotions and experiences are being quantified somewhere on a magnetic hard drive? Probably not.


In the view of the creator and the angels and those who dwell in heaven, yes, this creation operates like a simulation.


There are many purposes to it. The next purpose of the universe, or the world, or this "simulation" will be to separate the wicked from the righteous (which it's nearly complete from what I can observe)



Fear God and give Him glory, very soon the hour of trial will come. It's going to be very very bad, no flesh would be saved unless Jesus returns.


I'm praying for your OP. I like your thinking. You have some good questions, a well grounded imagination when it comes to figuring this stuff out, and a decent understanding on things.

Don't be too quick to discredit religion, you'll never know who might be your best friend hoping you'll be safe, protected, and blessed no matter what life gives you.

Those are some pearls for your OP, please be respectful and do not trample them. If you truly are not interested in religion, or the truth rather, then I will leave you be.

I will leave you with some peace though.

Take care.
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Did you read my post? I will agree to disagree with you since I will not discuss religion.

Furthermore, I did not discredit religion, if anything I helped prove its validity.

Finally, you totally misunderstood the entirety of the actual point of my OP.

Yeah, leaving this thread may be for the best :)
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I am not into simulation theory because just like the theory of evolution...

its like people who are smug like theories that explain the everything so they can say they understand how everything works.

Ego walks on from there.

On the other hand I love simulations.

Have you ever worked with Arena?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


There is literally no reason as to why evolution could not be simulated since evolution could be the byproduct and elaboration of what we would perceive as or call a highly basic algorithm. As I said above, comparing anything outside our simulation to what is inside the actual simulation would be completely unfounded and naive and would most likely stem more from our need to feel unique or special rather than to progress a scientific hypothesis.

"The Game of Life" is a great example of how very few instructions can create impossibly complex systems.

I am currently working with simulations yes, protein simulations.
 Quoting: The Sexy Negan


Ahhh cool and ahhh I bet that you tampering with evolution might not be a variable projected by the proteins. chuckle

Micro evolution is proven.

Macro is too if you go down the white coat rabbit hole deep enough.

yes good one simple instructions...

all started from the very first single cell organism. From there creating organs and emergent complexity.

Reminds me of my first thread: Thread: The first bone!
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer.

I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole.

Always remember the outlier ;P

Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer.

I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole.

Always remember the outlier ;P

Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P
 Quoting: Undestroyer


You are again limiting the scope of said simulators even existing in the same sense as we do. Our concept and any (as yet unproven) mechanics at work that form what we call free will could have been in their creation to the simulators as simple a process to them as switching on a light or blinking is to us.

Every single mechanic and thing within a simulation could be nothing more than a worthless, minuscule spec of some form of data to the simulators. Even then, calling what they would use "data" shows that we can only use what exists in the simulation as being anything and everything that is.
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Here's your loophole OP.



Simulations have programmers.

Simulations have rules.


Who, in this simulation gave us right and wrong? Morals?

Where did they come from?

Instinct?

Then why do so many neglect morals? What "higher" entity provided us with these morals and the ability also to even distinguish them.


I agree with the above poster, a simulation merely for observation neglects the nature of free will, right or wrong, even things like intuition when you use reason to base your argument.



Because you'll never get your answer. If you don't believe in God, who loves you, you think some mindless being playing the sims is gonna reach into your meaningless life?


See, it will always go back to God.
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Yet again, you did not understand my original post. Please try not to get angry with me over a point that was insinuated by your initial inability to correctly read and interpret my original post.

Seriously, please don't bother posting if you can't even understand the core concept I am trying to convey.
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Re: Is our universe a simulation? What that would mean.
The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer.

I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole.

Always remember the outlier ;P

Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P
 Quoting: Undestroyer


You are again limiting the scope of said simulators even existing in the same sense as we do. Our concept and any (as yet unproven) mechanics at work that form what we call free will could have been in their creation to the simulators as simple a process to them as switching on a light or blinking is to us.

Every single mechanic and thing within a simulation could be nothing more than a worthless, minuscule spec of some form of data to the simulators. Even then, calling what they would use "data" shows that we can only use what exists in the simulation as being anything and everything that is.
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Not that I accept the simulation theory but lets say that we are in these simulators. Can we get out?
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer.

I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole.

Always remember the outlier ;P

Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P
 Quoting: Undestroyer


You are again limiting the scope of said simulators even existing in the same sense as we do. Our concept and any (as yet unproven) mechanics at work that form what we call free will could have been in their creation to the simulators as simple a process to them as switching on a light or blinking is to us.

Every single mechanic and thing within a simulation could be nothing more than a worthless, minuscule spec of some form of data to the simulators. Even then, calling what they would use "data" shows that we can only use what exists in the simulation as being anything and everything that is.
 Quoting: The Sexy Negan


Not that I accept the simulation theory but lets say that we are in these simulators. Can we get out?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I wouldn't want you to. I wholeheartedly believe we should all be entitled to our own beliefs. :)

I'm afraid that from my point of view, being a simulator, I really would not know since I am inside the simulation and can only perceive what is inside it. It would be like trying to imagine a 7 dimensional object. Impossible to imagine by its own definition of being located somewhere beyond our perception.

But one way of looking at it could be leaving a video-game console switched on whilst you went out for the night.
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The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer.

I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole.

Always remember the outlier ;P

Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P
 Quoting: Undestroyer


You are again limiting the scope of said simulators even existing in the same sense as we do. Our concept and any (as yet unproven) mechanics at work that form what we call free will could have been in their creation to the simulators as simple a process to them as switching on a light or blinking is to us.

Every single mechanic and thing within a simulation could be nothing more than a worthless, minuscule spec of some form of data to the simulators. Even then, calling what they would use "data" shows that we can only use what exists in the simulation as being anything and everything that is.
 Quoting: The Sexy Negan


Not that I accept the simulation theory but lets say that we are in these simulators. Can we get out?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I wouldn't want you to. I wholeheartedly believe we should all be entitled to our own beliefs. :)

I'm afraid that from my point of view, being a simulator, I really would not know since I am inside the simulation and can only perceive what is inside it.

But one way of looking at it could be leaving a video-game console switched on whilst you went out for the night.
 Quoting: The Sexy Negan

That's cool.

Its just natural for me to want to escape the box you know.

True reality is not a box. The universe is infinite making each point its center. Everything is connected. We are barely beginning to understand energy dimensions.

The corporations surrounding us are running simulations on us. It is our choice to participate. We have free will.

We think a box is ideal but we are just fooling ourselves sometimes for someone else's benefit.

Running enough simulations truth can be discerned. Stick with truth to see what happens.
You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer.

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Truth is a lot like unfiltered light. It exists and expounds in every spectrum, including spectrums that humans are unable to see with our eyes. ;) ☼

"I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede
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Some believe that a cosmic consciousness generated the simulation as a result of shattering itself into infinite pieces. It is the duty of those pieces to evolve and to figure out what and where they are so that they can integrate back to perfection.
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Our 4th dimensional Realm is ruled by the Chief Archon, the Demiurge.

He is sometimes known as Chronos or the pagan father god of Time, seen represented as the black cube and the planet Saturn.


But the Universe is more then just this material realm lorded over by the Demiurge.


Our realm is only a shadow of the true fathers Pleroma.

Sophia made our realm as an imitation of the Fullness.

Aeons like Sophia come from the light of the All, and the All is One.
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Our 4th dimensional Realm is ruled by the Chief Archon, the Demiurge.

He is sometimes known as Chronos or the pagan father god of Time, seen represented as the black cube and the planet Saturn.


But the Universe is more then just this material realm lorded over by the Demiurge.


Our realm is only a shadow of the true fathers Pleroma.

Sophia made our realm as an imitation of the Fullness.

Aeons like Sophia come from the light of the All, and the All is One.
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I will be honest and say that I have literally and utterly no idea what you just said.

Also, the term "Archon" was re-coined and plagiarised by fiction writing authors and video producers to describe a God-like alien species or a set of multidimensional beings, where as the actual term in its original translation referred to a Roman Governor, club leader or master of the tables. And do not come back saying it means "Lord" in the meaning that you wish for it to portray because that would be incorrect.

Finally, as I stated in my OP, I do not wish to discuss religion. Thanks.
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Removed previous posts since the poster could not simply read my OP correctly and assumed I was attacking their beliefs.
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Also simulations will not model reality because there are always more variables than the modeler can understand and put into the model.

I have read that the trick is that each individual are the source and editor of our own simulation...

Now We do have simulation abilities.

I can project many things with my mind based on many things...

but my vision alone is incomplete...

unless I have the information for black shoals... than I can be pretty much spot on.

Who couldn't?
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I think you think you're smarter than you are. There's no reason a programmer couldn't account for all variables of a simulation. And even if what you claim is right why do you think a species that 50 years ago invented true internet would have already cracked the code? Is it possible we're the billionth iteration of this simulation and a species who just landed on its nearest celestial body hasn't beat the game yet? Yes. Is it possible the programmer created a reality without any errors? Yes.

And if we create our own realities how can two people, even millions of people, pick an apple from a lineup of fruits?

Please answer so we can see how dumb you really are.
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Also simulations will not model reality because there are always more variables than the modeler can understand and put into the model.

I have read that the trick is that each individual are the source and editor of our own simulation...

Now We do have simulation abilities.

I can project many things with my mind based on many things...

but my vision alone is incomplete...

unless I have the information for black shoals... than I can be pretty much spot on.

Who couldn't?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I think you think you're smarter than you are. There's no reason a programmer couldn't account for all variables of a simulation. And even if what you claim is right why do you think a species that 50 years ago invented true internet would have already cracked the code? Is it possible we're the billionth iteration of this simulation and a species who just landed on its nearest celestial body hasn't beat the game yet? Yes. Is it possible the programmer created a reality without any errors? Yes.

And if we create our own realities how can two people, even millions of people, pick an apple from a lineup of fruits?

Please answer so we can see how dumb you really are.
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Are you calling me out? 0_0

I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it.

Sorry if I misunderstood. :)
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Also simulations will not model reality because there are always more variables than the modeler can understand and put into the model.

I have read that the trick is that each individual are the source and editor of our own simulation...

Now We do have simulation abilities.

I can project many things with my mind based on many things...

but my vision alone is incomplete...

unless I have the information for black shoals... than I can be pretty much spot on.

Who couldn't?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


I think you think you're smarter than you are. There's no reason a programmer couldn't account for all variables of a simulation. And even if what you claim is right why do you think a species that 50 years ago invented true internet would have already cracked the code? Is it possible we're the billionth iteration of this simulation and a species who just landed on its nearest celestial body hasn't beat the game yet? Yes. Is it possible the programmer created a reality without any errors? Yes.

And if we create our own realities how can two people, even millions of people, pick an apple from a lineup of fruits?

Please answer so we can see how dumb you really are.
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Are you calling me out? 0_0

I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it.

Sorry if I misunderstood. :)
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No that was for another poster. But to you I ask why you believe we can't realize our simulation? I don't think a creator assumes perfection or a simulation assumes closed.
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They will say "matrix in your head done by your higher self" so you hate your higher self and are double minded.

:)

It might be the case that THIS is what it means for God was lonely and wanted to experience the world through people he created through himself. I don't really care to address that but I will say some of the evil here (say cannibalism) can't really come from God. This setup would itself be a kingdom divided because God is hiding information from aspects of himself.

Can one be sovereign from themselves? scared
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Also simulations will not model reality because there are always more variables than the modeler can understand and put into the model.

I have read that the trick is that each individual are the source and editor of our own simulation...

Now We do have simulation abilities.

I can project many things with my mind based on many things...

but my vision alone is incomplete...

unless I have the information for black shoals... than I can be pretty much spot on.

Who couldn't?
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I think you think you're smarter than you are. There's no reason a programmer couldn't account for all variables of a simulation. And even if what you claim is right why do you think a species that 50 years ago invented true internet would have already cracked the code? Is it possible we're the billionth iteration of this simulation and a species who just landed on its nearest celestial body hasn't beat the game yet? Yes. Is it possible the programmer created a reality without any errors? Yes.

And if we create our own realities how can two people, even millions of people, pick an apple from a lineup of fruits?

Please answer so we can see how dumb you really are.
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Are you calling me out? 0_0

I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it.

Sorry if I misunderstood. :)
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No that was for another poster. But to you I ask why you believe we can't realize our simulation? I don't think a creator assumes perfection or a simulation assumes closed.
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My point was not that we cannot test as to whether we are in a simulation or not. My entire OP was purely in regards to people assuming who or what the simulators are. Given that our only understanding of what it is to be "something or anything" is by default limited indefinitely to and defined by our existence being wholly within the simulation.
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Re: Is our universe a simulation? What that would mean.
It's real to us, which is what really matters. Since there is likely little to nothing that we can do about it if it were a simulation, there are only a few reasons to discuss the possibility.

If it's not a trap, like the Matrix, there is no point in talking about it since there is nothing that we can do about it. Either we're simulations that are gone when we "die" or when the simulation ends, or chosen among us are produced bodies outside of the simulation when we die, or whatever. There's nothing that can be done.

If it is a trap, and our bodies are hostage, or escaping would let our souls (for lack of a better term) be free to be where they are supposed to go, then it is worth discussing.

How would you go about proving it? How would you go about escaping it? What if the act of escaping it precludes going back in the rescue others? That means everyone would have to figure out for themselves that it is a trap and how to escape that trap since nobody can come back and verify that a particular method worked.
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It's real to us, which is what really matters. Since there is likely little to nothing that we can do about it if it were a simulation, there are only a few reasons to discuss the possibility.

If it's not a trap, like the Matrix, there is no point in talking about it since there is nothing that we can do about it. Either we're simulations that are gone when we "die" or when the simulation ends, or chosen among us are produced bodies outside of the simulation when we die, or whatever. There's nothing that can be done.

If it is a trap, and our bodies are hostage, or escaping would let our souls (for lack of a better term) be free to be where they are supposed to go, then it is worth discussing.

How would you go about proving it? How would you go about escaping it? What if the act of escaping it precludes going back in the rescue others? That means everyone would have to figure out for themselves that it is a trap and how to escape that trap since nobody can come back and verify that a particular method worked.
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I don't believe it would in any way devaluate or belittle our existence in the absolute slightest. :)

Escaping it would be impossible if we were simply products of the simulation since we would wholly exist only within the confines of the simulation and could only "exist" within its confines as we would in effect be its confines.

As for testing it. If it could be tested, then the creators of the simulation wished for it to be tested and I'll be honest and say I have no clue as to where that can of worms would lead to if it were opened. I could speculate but it would require for me to do more research and to verse myself on that aspect more.
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The whole universe is never ending simulation with infinite realities, dimensions and situations. It's like a giant schizo brain lol We take on different aspects of the universe forever in real time! It's down right scary when you think about it and can drive any sane person MAD. Sometimes it's best to just take the blue pill some would say lol
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There's definitely something going on here, and we don't know what it is, do we Mr Jones?
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The whole universe is never ending simulation with infinite realities, dimensions and situations. It's like a giant schizo brain lol We take on different aspects of the universe forever in real time! It's down right scary when you think about it and can drive any sane person MAD. Sometimes it's best to just take the blue pill some would say lol
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Cycles upon cycles, wheels within wheels.
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The whole universe is never ending simulation with infinite realities, dimensions and situations. It's like a giant schizo brain lol We take on different aspects of the universe forever in real time! It's down right scary when you think about it and can drive any sane person MAD. Sometimes it's best to just take the blue pill some would say lol
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Cycles upon cycles, wheels within wheels.
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Yes! :) And our soul is the undying, hyper dimensional battery which allows us to participate in this sadistic game lol It's scary because "we" are not in control of where we go....EVER. Beings higher than us are, so nothing is for certain and when you think of some of the CRUEL realities you can be placed into that exist it can give you nightmares lol Sleep tight and dream of unicorns resident of the universe and unwilling participant of the game of lifeIdol1
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Hmm, I think that sometime tonight I either got hijacked or put into a simulation. GLP says I'm in Canada now....and I'm not, nor am I using a VPN.
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Hmm, I think that sometime tonight I either got hijacked or put into a simulation. GLP says I'm in Canada now....and I'm not, nor am I using a VPN.
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Haha, I just noticed that buddy.





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