Is our universe a simulation? What that would mean. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47833841 United States 05/09/2017 02:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47833841 I think you think you're smarter than you are. There's no reason a programmer couldn't account for all variables of a simulation. And even if what you claim is right why do you think a species that 50 years ago invented true internet would have already cracked the code? Is it possible we're the billionth iteration of this simulation and a species who just landed on its nearest celestial body hasn't beat the game yet? Yes. Is it possible the programmer created a reality without any errors? Yes. And if we create our own realities how can two people, even millions of people, pick an apple from a lineup of fruits? Please answer so we can see how dumb you really are. Are you calling me out? 0_0 I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it. Sorry if I misunderstood. :) No that was for another poster. But to you I ask why you believe we can't realize our simulation? I don't think a creator assumes perfection or a simulation assumes closed. My point was not that we cannot test as to whether we are in a simulation or not. My entire OP was purely in regards to people assuming who or what the simulators are. Given that our only understanding of what it is to be "something or anything" is by default limited indefinitely to and defined by our existence being wholly within the simulation. Right but I'm saying who are you to say our simulation is closed and perfected. Otherwise, why can't this be winnable, or why can't clues exist or appear, or why can't our creator directly communicate to its creation, or the creator forgot something? Just saying I don't believe the nature of a simulation assumes we exist isolated from the creator. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855636 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 02:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Sexy Negan Are you calling me out? 0_0 I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it. Sorry if I misunderstood. :) No that was for another poster. But to you I ask why you believe we can't realize our simulation? I don't think a creator assumes perfection or a simulation assumes closed. My point was not that we cannot test as to whether we are in a simulation or not. My entire OP was purely in regards to people assuming who or what the simulators are. Given that our only understanding of what it is to be "something or anything" is by default limited indefinitely to and defined by our existence being wholly within the simulation. Right but I'm saying who are you to say our simulation is closed and perfected. Otherwise, why can't this be winnable, or why can't clues exist or appear, or why can't our creator directly communicate to its creation, or the creator forgot something? Just saying I don't believe the nature of a simulation assumes we exist isolated from the creator. You do have a valid point. My interpretation, the one included in my OP is just that. Strictly my interpretation of the hypothesis. |
a Dude, not THE Dude User ID: 74854181 United States 05/09/2017 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmm, I think that sometime tonight I either got hijacked or put into a simulation. GLP says I'm in Canada now....and I'm not, nor am I using a VPN. Quoting: a Dude, not THE Dude Haha, I just noticed that buddy. I promise I'm not Canadian! I've never said "a.boot" in my life! I hate maple syrup! Hockey's okay, but I don't follow it! I wonder if it's because I got a different modem today. Last Edited by a Dude, not THE Dude on 05/09/2017 02:53 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74809791 Australia 05/09/2017 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The whole universe is never ending simulation with infinite realities, dimensions and situations. It's like a giant schizo brain lol We take on different aspects of the universe forever in real time! It's down right scary when you think about it and can drive any sane person MAD. Sometimes it's best to just take the blue pill some would say lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73253935 Cycles upon cycles, wheels within wheels. Yes! :) And our soul is the undying, hyper dimensional battery which allows us to participate in this sadistic game lol It's scary because "we" are not in control of where we go....EVER. Beings higher than us are, so nothing is for certain and when you think of some of the CRUEL realities you can be placed into that exist it can give you nightmares lol Sleep tight and dream of unicorns resident of the universe and unwilling participant of the game of life Yeah, some realities/simulations might be very unpleasant. 'Star Maker' was a good read. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73253935 United States 05/09/2017 02:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Sexy Negan Are you calling me out? 0_0 I've already provided evidence / thought experiments to support my initial point and tried to reiterate it in almost every other post when other posters seem to have misunderstood / misread it. Sorry if I misunderstood. :) No that was for another poster. But to you I ask why you believe we can't realize our simulation? I don't think a creator assumes perfection or a simulation assumes closed. My point was not that we cannot test as to whether we are in a simulation or not. My entire OP was purely in regards to people assuming who or what the simulators are. Given that our only understanding of what it is to be "something or anything" is by default limited indefinitely to and defined by our existence being wholly within the simulation. Right but I'm saying who are you to say our simulation is closed and perfected. Otherwise, why can't this be winnable, or why can't clues exist or appear, or why can't our creator directly communicate to its creation, or the creator forgot something? Just saying I don't believe the nature of a simulation assumes we exist isolated from the creator. Our simulation is only perfected through a hierarchy of beings/entities and order. There is no one singular creator. It created it's self and has always existed. There is order somehow though and that is the only thing that you can take comfort in knowing... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73253935 United States 05/09/2017 02:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The whole universe is never ending simulation with infinite realities, dimensions and situations. It's like a giant schizo brain lol We take on different aspects of the universe forever in real time! It's down right scary when you think about it and can drive any sane person MAD. Sometimes it's best to just take the blue pill some would say lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73253935 Cycles upon cycles, wheels within wheels. Yes! :) And our soul is the undying, hyper dimensional battery which allows us to participate in this sadistic game lol It's scary because "we" are not in control of where we go....EVER. Beings higher than us are, so nothing is for certain and when you think of some of the CRUEL realities you can be placed into that exist it can give you nightmares lol Sleep tight and dream of unicorns resident of the universe and unwilling participant of the game of life Yeah, some realities/simulations might be very unpleasant. 'Star Maker' was a good read. Yes, some can be downright horrible beyond what we can imagine and some can over the top pleasurable beyond what we can imagine. It all depends on where they place you. Something tells me that more horror and mediocre existence exist than pleasurable ones though lol |
Zee Aliens User ID: 51027763 United States 05/09/2017 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This universe is one of many possibilities in operation. To call it a simulation is not entirely correct but not entirely wrong. Look all around you and within, there the divine code. And all patterns are in alchemical transformation. Holy, sings hymns to the Ineffable Mystery of Mysteries that is mystery and revealed. The Supreme Reality, Foundation of all trees. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73725035 United States 05/09/2017 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | General On-Topic Commentary: By in large, when most people hear the term 'simulation' they automatically associate that concept with human reference points such as 'technology' and 'computers'... This can lead to the impression or thinking that what is implied by this 'simulation' theory is that we are merely some creations of advanced technology by more intelligent beings??? I don't blame people for being turned off by that notion if that's what they believe the theory is stipulating... However, it would not be wise to rely upon our limited earthly reference points when attempting to conceptualize a higher order of existence (including multiple dimensions). The very notion of a 'simulation' implies that there is a 'greater reality' that exists outside of or 'above' that simulation. This holds true even with our particular human understanding of that concept. IMHO it would be more accurate to say that this physical dimension and these 'human characters' we are experiencing is a SIMULATION of/by CONSCIOUSNESS (of which 'you' are an integral, inseparable element).... Forget about computers, technology, advanced beings, etc... Consciousness (Conscious Energy) is the driving foce behind everything (all that is) - including any and all dimensions and the 'beings' who find themselves inhabiting these dimensions. People mistake themselves for their 'human characters' like a person could mistake themselves for the character they are acting out in a play. There is a greater reality outside of that play, and a higher identity for those actors/participants. The same analogy is true for this earth/human experience. People mistake themselves for their characters until they sufficiently expand their state of awareness to arrive at the realization that they possess a higher nature which transcends the physical body, their human identity, and the influence of the physical mind (brain). It's more like a remembering truly... They become aware that reality/existence consists of so much more than the experience of this physical dimension. That the Earth experience is like a tiny sliver of an even more vast and complex reality. That this physical dimension/reality is not the foundation of all existence and therefore cannot be a primary reference point for understanding the greater reality. It could be suggested that the physical dimesion and all that transpires here is unfolding from higher orders of existence... The same way that our human understanding of 'simulations' implies that there is a greater reality above & beyond that simulation that was generated. The same way that one could suggest your dreams were 'simulations' and then you wake up from those dreams to a greater reality - one could say this human life is akin to a a 'dream/simulation' and then you eventually wake up to an even greater reality of existence... This does not necessitate that 'you' were created by something outside of yourself and outside of your own inherent nature/quality. Consciousness seems to be playing a game of hide-n-seek with itself and with this game came the temporary illusion of separation (separateness)... If any good can come from identifying with this theory (as presented here), it's the encouragement to seek and find out who you really are beyond your human characters and all the Earthly reference points... You have a nature which rises above this and to eventually discover this truth is the real treasure.... :greenkarma: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73072827 Canada 05/09/2017 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well done OP and you are working on the same things as me but we are coming at it from difrent angles but i can agree with what you are saying so thanks. forget the flag, i'm in the UK so if i sign up here then would you share you email address if they do private messages here on GLP I write software for a living and have little bits of information that you might find interesting See Hola sports headphones (mind hacking today) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73072827 Canada 05/09/2017 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Consciousness (Conscious Energy) is the driving foce behind everything (all that is) - including any and all dimensions and the 'beings' Quoting: WOLF* I have a simple name for what you discribe here and its something called "Data" that has cloud storage and a CPU to process that data. "You" have two halfs being your consious and unconsious but what you think of as you (the boss) is just an avatar picked at randon for a egg and sperm race that only has data storage in the earth simulation and when the game on earth ends (you die) then the data for "you" and brain functions (Comes from your DNA) all gets thrown in the trash bin and only the score is kept. Your job was to educate or stimulate the unconsious part of you but it became a part of you at birth much like throwing a dice to pick a car for a car race and then putting the seat belt on so that the driver becomes a part of the car but think about the driver as being your sole or "beings" if that helps. |
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bill lumbergh User ID: 16158639 Australia 05/09/2017 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is a 6 year old girl.her name is matilda.she lives in a super advanced dimension running parallel with ours.we are her grade one science project.she may not yet be ready for grade 2... i kid..but you can take it any direction once you start nesting simulations.the implications of the mechanistic view of this seems like a merry go round.the limitations of studying the "stuff" from an unlimited perspective..maybe because we imagine it,we manifest it,like we will manifest an immersive simulation of our own. i've avoided the topic in my own personal "studies".information perception,probability waves,integrated interactive receiving and processing?its so science fiction its hard not to be fascinated by it,but its all mythology.we're fragmented from source trying to remember what we knew.a cosmic diffraction pattern. what captures your attention?.tangible stuff,good,speculation will go nowhere,very,very slowly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 58446361 United States 05/09/2017 06:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, it's not true that all we can know is what we perceive (in the 3d world) and all that exists within the simulation. Consciousness itself is not 3d and it already exists outside the simulation (or whatever you want to call it, I tend to think calling it a simulation lessens it). The evidence for this can be found, but it requires effort and exploration and an open mind. And I think everyone needs their own direct experience with it, or they won't believe it. I could explain everything I've experienced, but you would not believe me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74653055 Romania 05/09/2017 06:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, it's not true that all we can know is what we perceive (in the 3d world) and all that exists within the simulation. Consciousness itself is not 3d and it already exists outside the simulation (or whatever you want to call it, I tend to think calling it a simulation lessens it). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58446361 The evidence for this can be found, but it requires effort and exploration and an open mind. And I think everyone needs their own direct experience with it, or they won't believe it. I could explain everything I've experienced, but you would not believe me. That is also true. It is a great liberating experience that cannot really be transferred with our means. So it is only really proof for your own self. But I know what you mean. |
Deism User ID: 74593591 United States 05/09/2017 06:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
bill lumbergh User ID: 16158639 Australia 05/09/2017 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, it's not true that all we can know is what we perceive (in the 3d world) and all that exists within the simulation. Consciousness itself is not 3d and it already exists outside the simulation (or whatever you want to call it, I tend to think calling it a simulation lessens it). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58446361 The evidence for this can be found, but it requires effort and exploration and an open mind. And I think everyone needs their own direct experience with it, or they won't believe it. I could explain everything I've experienced, but you would not believe me. i agree,.call it IT.the language has lost all utility if it cant intimate the meaning..concepts are defined the same,the connotation is different so the understanding is clouded.direct experience is the only true validation. psychologically i would explain it as a positive approach to schizophrenia.exploring the fringes of reality with induction control,and finding equilibrium. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70972782 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course our tiny view into the mulitverse finds problems with the simulation. Our understanding of what is actually going on is no different to the comprehension of a nuclear powers station is to one single gut bacterium. To think we will ever have a concept of our universe's interactions is just foolish. We just play along with what we have. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74857360 United States 05/09/2017 10:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer. Quoting: Undestroyer I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole. Always remember the outlier ;P Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P There is no reason to think that a creation as advanced as this simulation couldn't also give us each some sort of free will algorithm or A.I. Chip assigned to each of us, or many of us. Our thoughts and fears and hopes and dreams also drive the simulation. "The world is what we make of it." I only hope that my mistakes in life are not held against me for all eternity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74857360 United States 05/09/2017 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simulation = "Your Whole LIFE is a LIE" TBTB propaganda fake life history,science,tech-industry news censored reality Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73114153 Not necessarily true for those of us who can think outside the box. We create our own truth. But, there is also the hard fact of truth outside ourselves, and the truths of others to contend with. "Simulation" might only mean "terrarium of souls." |
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thedreamerawoken User ID: 74640713 United States 05/10/2017 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our 4th dimensional Realm is ruled by the Chief Archon, the Demiurge. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65267488 He is sometimes known as Chronos or the pagan father god of Time, seen represented as the black cube and the planet Saturn. But the Universe is more then just this material realm lorded over by the Demiurge. Our realm is only a shadow of the true fathers Pleroma. Sophia made our realm as an imitation of the Fullness. Aeons like Sophia come from the light of the All, and the All is One. I'm surprised people on here still hold this gnostic knowledge. It's time to wake up from the dream. |
Undestroyer Truth User ID: 68582955 United States 05/10/2017 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other reason I am not too keen on simulation theory is that I am a free willer. Quoting: Undestroyer I see simulation theory as another predestination pigeon hole. Always remember the outlier ;P Give me a decision variable large enough and I will move the simulated universe ;P There is no reason to think that a creation as advanced as this simulation couldn't also give us each some sort of free will algorithm or A.I. Chip assigned to each of us, or many of us. Our thoughts and fears and hopes and dreams also drive the simulation. "The world is what we make of it." I only hope that my mistakes in life are not held against me for all eternity. forgiveness begins with forgiving yourself and others. I have run the experience myself several times and can say much for its benevolence. You cannot destroy my vision when you see my vision undestroyed because I am just an undestroyer. Thread: Food Combining Made Easy by Herbert Shelton a progenitor from the Natural Hygienist Movement "I am a hunter of peace, one who chases the elusive mayfly of love... errr something like that." -Vash the Stampede |