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The ONLY rational religious tenet is Karma.

 
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And the Light is His Word.
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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(Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism) The sum total of a person's actions, which determine the person's next incarnation in samsara, the cycle of death and rebirth.
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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You can loophole this law by attending a cremation of care ritual (washing away of all your cares about the awful things you have done yearly) or telling people to their face what you are going to do to them... it seems
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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Karma is real, the problem is you have a lot of mentally ill narcopaths who go around convincing themselves they are delivering karma, not just being the total asshole ill person they are.

And don't even get me started on the fake spiritual set who blame abuse on the victims as " It's a mirror" too stupid and low evolved to grasp the realities of their shit speak!
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie, here is a Chick illustrated tract about the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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:grizzy: Reincarnation is a lie, here is a Chick illustrated tract about the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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"Karma" is not part of Christianity.
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:grizzy: Reincarnation is a lie, here is a Chick illustrated tract about the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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"Karma" is not part of Christianity.
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Karma is total bullshit. Total and COMPLETE bullshit.

Proof:

Mao Zedong, responsible for killing 70 million people. His karma? He died once.

Genghis Khan, responsible for the deaths of 40 million people. His karma? He died once.

Chiang Kai-Shek, responsible for the deaths of 18 million people. His karma? He died once.

Adolf Hitler, responsible for the deaths of 13 million people. His karma? He died once.

Shall I continue? I can if you would like.

Karma my ass.
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Karma is the most "rational" and "logical" form of religion. It makes the most logical sense.
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True.
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Karma is total bullshit. Total and COMPLETE bullshit.

Proof:

Mao Zedong, responsible for killing 70 million people. His karma? He died once.

Genghis Khan, responsible for the deaths of 40 million people. His karma? He died once.

Chiang Kai-Shek, responsible for the deaths of 18 million people. His karma? He died once.

Adolf Hitler, responsible for the deaths of 13 million people. His karma? He died once.

Shall I continue? I can if you would like.

Karma my ass.
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Most religions would say that none of them "died once," they are paying for their deeds forever.
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Luke 6:27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
(Matt. 7:1-5)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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True.
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I agree, it's pretty close to the Golden Rule, which is how I try to lead my life.
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The only rational religious tenet is the 11th Commandment.

"Sit down and shut the fuck up"
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worship
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People seem to be rewarded for bad behavior though, so it obviously doesn't apply to life on Earth.
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Try to think of it like this lifetime is a single day in a larger/longer lifetime- If, say, I rob a bank- I get rewarded by having a fat sack of cash, now, today... when the police find me a couple weeks later, how will I be rewarded? (and they probably found me because my accomplice, who I thought was my friend, sold me out after they got busted).

And it's not simply 'what comes around goes around'- all karmic activity (which includes non intentional shit, all of it, If you can talk about it and it has a name and/or image, it is stored in the larger collective consciousness stream which includes the actions, thought and words of not only man, but the animals, aliens, demons and the gods themselves) 'The Akashic Record' or as some Buddhists call it: the '8th storehouse consciousness'.

The things you have done prior cannot be undone or 'forgiven' -forgiveness helps the karma of the forgiver, not you- what you can do is pave the way for your next incarnation by behaving properly in the here and now, and the best way to do this is through coming to an understanding of the interconnectedness of all life and phenomenon- through this, compassion is developed and this intention toward others is the single greatest way to create new, 'good' Karma... and your next rebirth will (hopefully) be a good one (not a worm or a ghost or demon).
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Karma is total bullshit. Total and COMPLETE bullshit.

Proof:

Mao Zedong, responsible for killing 70 million people. His karma? He died once.

Genghis Khan, responsible for the deaths of 40 million people. His karma? He died once.

Chiang Kai-Shek, responsible for the deaths of 18 million people. His karma? He died once.

Adolf Hitler, responsible for the deaths of 13 million people. His karma? He died once.

Shall I continue? I can if you would like.

Karma my ass.
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Karma is a law... as unavoidable as gravity or entropy. Keep trying to subvert the law and see where it gets you! (but you won't remember all this... you'll be focused on not getting eaten by a mole or a shark or something).

chuckle
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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It's reasonable within limits, but it's always turning around and biting you in the ass.

People end up concluding that children are born guilty and deserving of whatever horrible things happen to them, when the blame needs to be clearly fixed on cruelty and neglect.

People also allow others to suffer, rationalizing that they somehow deserve whatever evil thing is happening to them, when the blame needs to be fixed on environmental toxins, evil people, and fraudulent economics.

A belief in karma will render you unable to solver problems.

Eventually, your nation will look like India.

India, where the spiritual masters pray for death.
230 here, but 0 there.
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The first Jhana done correctly snowballs concepts down to their dualistic nature. This can lead to an aha moment for the soul. If the soul does understand the subtle truth it will separate the water into its dualistic points. Causing these points to swirls away and out. Then the dark watery void can be entered, and a blossom above its surface to be seen.
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My limited understanding is that developing Jhana, Dhyana, or Shamatha, is good; however without Insight or Vipassana or Vipashyana, only leads to god/deva-realm rebirths....
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Like everything in the phenomenal world, you need 'two' Yin/Yang concept- all observable/empirical manifestation is inherently dualistic.

One must be 'good' and avoid evil (follow the rules/Vinaya) in their daily behaviors and also practice perfect concentration: meditation/introspection in order for advancement to have the intended effect.
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Luke 6:27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
(Matt. 7:1-5)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
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Right, God doesn't deal in karma.
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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It's reasonable within limits, but it's always turning around and biting you in the ass.

People end up concluding that children are born guilty and deserving of whatever horrible things happen to them, when the blame needs to be clearly fixed on cruelty and neglect.

People also allow others to suffer, rationalizing that they somehow deserve whatever evil thing is happening to them, when the blame needs to be fixed on environmental toxins, evil people, and fraudulent economics.

A belief in karma will render you unable to solver problems.

Eventually, your nation will look like India.

India, where the spiritual masters pray for death.
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So is the belief in a god that 1. allows such things to occur or 2. MAKES them occur a better system?

So, you suggest you or I have the ability/power to alleviate all others suffering?! That's a pretty grand idea... you can focus on directing the energy to those in your direct sphere of influence and attempt to ease their suffering (what would the world look like if everyone practiced this I wonder?).

Also, suffering is the mechanism with which negative karmic residue is purged (like a fast) from one's prior offenses. It the reasoning behind all the crazy seemingly masochistic stuff done by the saints and sadhus- in fact, I would argue the greatest lesson this life has to offer is learning how to 'suffer well', as you WILL suffer, guaranteed- (I would also argue that one does not need to go 'looking' for this suffering, as it is life's one and only certainty- many will feel joy and happiness also, but this is not a certainty)- you come out of the womb screaming and will most likely exit in some form of excruciating pain (and will endure countless episodes of mental/emotional anguish in the middle)- so what ? ...embrace the suck.


A belief in/understanding of Karma will give you a tool to make the perfect decision each and every time.

Never mind that this is a false equivalency (logically fallacious)- How long has India's culture remained intact? (well over 5,000 years) in fact, it is the oldest, longest continuous culture/nation we know of. How long has the US been in business again, and where does it look like it's headed currently?
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Luke 6:27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
(Matt. 7:1-5)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
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Right, God doesn't deal in karma.
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God must obey the law, just like everyone else- even 'he' cannot subvert cause and effect (this is not to say he cannot 'guide' it).

Early Christianity believed in reincarnation, this is well documented...
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Jimmy Savile never seemed to bite on karma.

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Just because something is logical and makes you feel better about existence, that doesn't mean that it is true.

Believing everything that happens is karma is dangerous, as one can no longer be inclined to help those suffering misfortune. "They're just working out their karma, so they deserve it" is a popular resulting attitude.


Anecdotally,
The past few years for me have been absolutely horrific. I'm talking pure agony -- disabled, groaning, screaming, begging for death, writhing in pain combined with panic attacks for most of the days of the past three years due to kundalini syndrome combined with severe psychiatric drug injury. The amount of suffering I've personally been through the vast majority cannot possibly comprehend.

Perhaps one in a million experience suffering on such a level. I would rather have been crucified a dozen times over. Job's life, even with his misfortunes, looks comparatively wonderful to me.

Why? I haven't been perfect in this life, but generally I have been much kinder than most and have a quite peaceful nature. Karma believers will say that it must be because of what I did in previous lives. Yet, general character is supposed to change little lifetime over lifetime. I just have never been the sort that could bear causing the sort of harm to others that should result in such a karmic result as I've experienced. It doesn't make sense to me.

By the same token, there are complete assholes who are born into lives of luxury and largely devoid of suffering.

I truly wish we lived in a universe with karmic principles, but I just don't see it
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Luke 6:27
But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
(Matt. 7:1-5)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
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Right, God doesn't deal in karma.
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Go and sun no more lest something worse happen to you.
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Sounds like karma to me
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I suppose karma 'works' if you are under the delusion that Universe A) Makes sense B) is somehow 'fair' and C) that we somehow come back after death.
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Even if you do not buy into the reincarnation and animal gods, Karma seems to be based on thousands of years of rational and factual observations of humans.

People may get away with terrible deeds, thefts, cheats, etc, for decades but each one of those deeds is stored in that persons subconscious mind and that same person will eventually punish themselves even if no one else does. They will purposely get themselves caught or subconsciously cause themselves health issues, etc.

The Karma tenet is the closest thing to factual reality in religion.
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Once again a religion makes unsupported claims. It is as far removed from factual as other religions. Bad things happen to bad people...also to good people so they must have been bad in some other time or life. Really? So no matter what happens its karma...well isn't that special. So shit happens and you apply some unproven claim as the reason. No, you have failed to make your case.





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