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TheOracle'sCookie User ID: 73018801 United States 05/09/2017 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? I am certainly no Bible scholar, OP, but I always thought that the reason why the Christian faith INCLUDES the "Old Testament" is because the person--Jesus of Nazareth --is the actual fulfillment of the prophesized messiah described in this book that contains part of the Jewish Torah. Jesus, then, is from the lineage of Moses and therefore it is important to include these earlier prophets as it reflects on his arriving at the point in history that he did. The Old Testament, then, legitimizes the claims by the followers of Jesus that he meets the points set down by the various prophesies about his coming. In that sense it is kind of like a "pedigree" so that people not only have the whole story of his life, his parables and his miracles...but they also have the history of his people (the Jues) and why they claim he is "The Christ." (The Christ, by the way, is a TITLE not his actual name.) That's what I understand. So, for me, the answer would be without the Old Testament, the "Kingship" of Jesus would have less credibility for his being anything but a great teacher (which is a wonderful thing to be...just NOT how Jesus is presented by Christianity--he's the Son of God.) Cheers! TheOracle'sCookie "Know ONE thing absolutely...and you will UNDERSTAND everything. Walt Whitman "Leaves of Grass" "...Buckle up buttercups cuz this shit is going to go biblical." GLP'er Thread: Update Pg14 2 Trees of Genesis! Alien Covenant Ridley Scott's new Movie: Carries Message on DNA and Ark of the Covenant! Video Thread: Updated: The Radcliffe WAVE Discovered along Milky Way's Dark Rift! Is this LaViolette's Super Wave? Thread: "Founder of Analytical Psychology," Carl Jung Called "Disturbed" Due to His "Red Book!" Video Thread: Greatest Secret of the United States, Causes of the Ice Age and Nova, Thread: 2-23-2020 pg. 8 Big Update: The DAVINCI EQUINOX CODE: Ancient Equinox temples were WARNINGS not "celebrations" of the sun." Thread: Disney's TV Series "LOST" MARATHON! Numbers/Script Match Future News! 2018-2020 Target Years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70688394 United States 05/09/2017 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Thats why they are so antiscience, cause it shows how stupid they are for believing in old sandniqqer myths. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 02:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Christians are screwed. Without Adam and the first sin, the whole point if the new testament becomes bunk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70688394 Thats why they are so antiscience, cause it shows how stupid they are for believing in old sandniqqer myths. just an anecdote, christians love debating over OT truthness... cause it easy not hard as debating over NT truthness. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 02:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? I am certainly no Bible scholar, OP, but I always thought Quoting: TheOracle'sCookie that the reason why the Christian faith INCLUDES the "Old Testament" is because the person--Jesus of Nazareth --is the actual fulfillment of the prophesized messiah described in this book that contains part of the Jewish Torah. Jesus, then, is from the lineage of Moses and therefore it is important to include these earlier prophets as it reflects on his arriving at the point in history that he did. The Old Testament, then, legitimizes the claims by the followers of Jesus that he meets the points set down by the various prophesies about his coming. In that sense it is kind of like a "pedigree" so that people not only have the whole story of his life, his parables and his miracles...but they also have the history of his people (the Jues) and why they claim he is "The Christ." (The Christ, by the way, is a TITLE not his actual name.) That's what I understand. So, for me, the answer would be without the Old Testament, the "Kingship" of Jesus would have less credibility for his being anything but a great teacher (which is a wonderful thing to be...just NOT how Jesus is presented by Christianity--he's the Son of God.) Cheers! TheOracle'sCookie yeah imagine christians coming to european gentiles. have you heard about the gospel of jesus? - who? jesus... you know the promised king of Israel? - the what now? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? my point is... every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855381 the problem for the lie, is when the base doesnt support the lie. The very scriptures which you claim to search daily....testifies of Jesus Christ. And yet here you are claiming otherwise. Do not the scriptures state that no lie comes from the truth? If you believed that then of course 'every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon' would not even begin your convoluted basis of argument |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 03:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? my point is... every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855381 the problem for the lie, is when the base doesnt support the lie. The very scriptures which you claim to search daily....testifies of Jesus Christ. And yet here you are claiming otherwise. Do not the scriptures state that no lie comes from the truth? If you believed that then of course 'every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon' would not even begin your convoluted basis of argument NT didnt come from the OT, it came from rome. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? I am certainly no Bible scholar, OP, but I always thought Quoting: TheOracle'sCookie that the reason why the Christian faith INCLUDES the "Old Testament" is because the person--Jesus of Nazareth. --is the actual fulfillment of the prophesized messiah described in this book that contains part of the Jewish Torah. Jesus, then, is from the lineage of Moses and therefore it is important to include these earlier prophets as it reflects on his arriving at the point in history that he did. The Old Testament, then, legitimizes the claims by the followers of Jesus that he meets the points set down by the various prophesies about his coming. In that sense it is kind of like a "pedigree" so that people not only have the whole story of his life, his parables and his miracles...but they also have the history of his people (the Jues) and why they claim he is "The Christ." (The Christ, by the way, is a TITLE not his actual name.) That's what I understand. So, for me, the answer would be without the Old Testament, the "Kingship" of Jesus would have less credibility for his being anything but a great teacher (which is a wonderful thing to be...just NOT how Jesus is presented by Christianity--he's the Son of God.) Cheers! TheOracle'sCookie yeah imagine christians coming to european gentiles. have you heard about the gospel of jesus? - who? jesus... you know the promised king of Israel? - the what now? It's clear the gospel found the diaspora. All of the world heard of Jesus Christ, telling this world a major truth that the gospel was sent unto the kings and sons of Israel in the nations. They heard and responded. But I guess you want us to not consider why they did respond and pretend that they had no connection to him and Israel? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? my point is... every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855381 the problem for the lie, is when the base doesnt support the lie. The very scriptures which you claim to search daily....testifies of Jesus Christ. And yet here you are claiming otherwise. Do not the scriptures state that no lie comes from the truth? If you believed that then of course 'every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon' would not even begin your convoluted basis of argument NT didnt come from the OT, it came from rome. Even you stiff necked leaders 2000 years ago knew he was the son and heir. That the gospel makes perfectly clear. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? I am certainly no Bible scholar, OP, but I always thought Quoting: TheOracle'sCookie that the reason why the Christian faith INCLUDES the "Old Testament" is because the person--Jesus of Nazareth. --is the actual fulfillment of the prophesized messiah described in this book that contains part of the Jewish Torah. Jesus, then, is from the lineage of Moses and therefore it is important to include these earlier prophets as it reflects on his arriving at the point in history that he did. The Old Testament, then, legitimizes the claims by the followers of Jesus that he meets the points set down by the various prophesies about his coming. In that sense it is kind of like a "pedigree" so that people not only have the whole story of his life, his parables and his miracles...but they also have the history of his people (the Jues) and why they claim he is "The Christ." (The Christ, by the way, is a TITLE not his actual name.) That's what I understand. So, for me, the answer would be without the Old Testament, the "Kingship" of Jesus would have less credibility for his being anything but a great teacher (which is a wonderful thing to be...just NOT how Jesus is presented by Christianity--he's the Son of God.) Cheers! TheOracle'sCookie yeah imagine christians coming to european gentiles. have you heard about the gospel of jesus? - who? jesus... you know the promised king of Israel? - the what now? It's clear the gospel found the diaspora. All of the world heard of Jesus Christ, telling this world a major truth that the gospel was sent unto the kings and sons of Israel in the nations. They heard and responded. But I guess you want us to not consider why they did respond and pretend that they had no connection to him and Israel? sorry, check your genes, not Semitic but Japhetite European. A) you are not lost Israelite B) you heard a lie made up by rome. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Or do you want us to conclude that since rome presents another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit that they invented the gospel? Really? Do you always propose throwing out the baby with the bathwater? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? my point is... every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855381 the problem for the lie, is when the base doesnt support the lie. The very scriptures which you claim to search daily....testifies of Jesus Christ. And yet here you are claiming otherwise. Do not the scriptures state that no lie comes from the truth? If you believed that then of course 'every lie needs a truthful foundation to stand upon' would not even begin your convoluted basis of argument NT didnt come from the OT, it came from rome. Even you stiff necked leaders 2000 years ago knew he was the son and heir. That the gospel makes perfectly clear. you are telling the truth... ACCORDING to a self-contradictory document called the Greek Testament. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 74855381 Israel 05/09/2017 03:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Or do you want us to conclude that since rome presents another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit that they invented the gospel? Really? Do you always propose throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855888 if it makes you feel better, thats your problem. rome wrote the gospels, even if you dont like rome, you are going to have to deal with it. seperating yourself from rome isnt going to seperate jesus from rome. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? I am certainly no Bible scholar, OP, but I always thought Quoting: TheOracle'sCookie that the reason why the Christian faith INCLUDES the "Old Testament" is because the person--Jesus of Nazareth. --is the actual fulfillment of the prophesized messiah described in this book that contains part of the Jewish Torah. Jesus, then, is from the lineage of Moses and therefore it is important to include these earlier prophets as it reflects on his arriving at the point in history that he did. The Old Testament, then, legitimizes the claims by the followers of Jesus that he meets the points set down by the various prophesies about his coming. In that sense it is kind of like a "pedigree" so that people not only have the whole story of his life, his parables and his miracles...but they also have the history of his people (the Jues) and why they claim he is "The Christ." (The Christ, by the way, is a TITLE not his actual name.) That's what I understand. So, for me, the answer would be without the Old Testament, the "Kingship" of Jesus would have less credibility for his being anything but a great teacher (which is a wonderful thing to be...just NOT how Jesus is presented by Christianity--he's the Son of God.) Cheers! TheOracle'sCookie yeah imagine christians coming to european gentiles. have you heard about the gospel of jesus? - who? jesus... you know the promised king of Israel? - the what now? It's clear the gospel found the diaspora. All of the world heard of Jesus Christ, telling this world a major truth that the gospel was sent unto the kings and sons of Israel in the nations. They heard and responded. But I guess you want us to not consider why they did respond and pretend that they had no connection to him and Israel? sorry, check your genes, not Semitic but Japhetite European. A) you are not lost Israelite B) you heard a lie made up by rome. There are no 'lost' Israelites. But there are many perished Israelites whom were sent away. He certainly knew where he put them. And so did your leaders 2000 years whom were angered and concerned that Jesus was sending the gospel to... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74855888 United Kingdom 05/09/2017 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Or do you want us to conclude that since rome presents another gospel, another Jesus and another spirit that they invented the gospel? Really? Do you always propose throwing out the baby with the bathwater? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74855888 if it makes you feel better, thats your problem. rome wrote the gospels, even if you dont like rome, you are going to have to deal with it. seperating yourself from rome isnt going to seperate jesus from rome. Jesus, gospel, spirit. Another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit. I just separated them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21978901 United States 05/09/2017 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? Christians are screwed. Without Adam and the first sin, the whole point if the new testament becomes bunk. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70688394 Thats why they are so antiscience, cause it shows how stupid they are for believing in old sandniqqer myths. [link to www.herr-der-ringe-film.de (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21978901 United States 05/09/2017 04:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: what if there was no such thing as an Old Testament? no prophets no Moses, how would you react to the gospel of Christ? For God, this eternal side is unconditional Love which is brought into being by the Christ to give the blessing of "Peace" to all who will seek and receive Truth. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them |
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