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The Magic and Mystery of ORMUS Elements

 
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There're lots of unknowns in this field... read for yourself. I suspect this is the tip of the iceberg.
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The Magic and Mystery of ORMUS Elements

A concentrate of special elements abundant in sea water has exciting potential in improving the soil, increasing crop yields, assisting human and animal health, and even in combating climate change.

Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 14, Number 2 (February - March 2007)
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [email protected]
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From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com

© 2006 by Roger Taylor, PhD, BVSc
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Also published in Caduceus, issue 71, Spring 2007
Website: [link to www.caduceus.info]

A POSSIBLE NEW STATE OF MATTER WITH PROMISE FOR AGRICULTURE AND HEALTH
This article introduces a recent and so far little-known discovery which could be of great importance for the future of the world. But the scientific stakes are high: if these claims are fully borne out, we should have to take cognisance of a group of substances--probably chemical elements--whose very existence up till now has not been suspected. It is for these that the name ORMUS has been coined. Some of the highly controversial ideas about what they are, and about their extraordinary chemistry and physics, are outlined below.
But first, the practical import of the discovery consists in the beneficial effect of these elements on plant and animal life. As detailed below, the effect of supplementing these elements on the growth of plant crops is no less than phenomenal. Remarkable benefits to human and animal health have also been obtained.

David Hudson's discovery of ORMEs
The story of the discovery begins in the late 1970s with a rich cotton farmer in Arizona named David Hudson. Because the volcanic soil in that region had unusual properties, and the underlying rock was known to contain precious metals, he decided to have a complete elemental quantitative analysis done on it. His analysts were then puzzled to find a fraction which defied analysis: it had no metallic characteristics, no chemical reactions and no spectroscopic signature. Eventually one spectroscopist suggested giving it a "longer burn". It was only then that spectral characteristics began to appear and, most surprisingly, they were suggestive of certain precious metals. Clearly this demanded further investigation so, having considerable private finances, Hudson hired some chemists and determined to solve the problem. The results of what he found are written up in considerable detail in his patent.1 He also gave a number of public lectures. It was from watching nine hours of videotape of these that I first learned about the phenomenon.

However, no single article on this subject has appeared in any scientific journal. It is because Hudson's claims are so challenging that I have delayed writing about it, in the hope of finding academic confirmation. While no official academic research appears to be underway, a loose group of scientists and lay people has been working on this subject for a number of years. Without the benefit of funding or official laboratory premises, and having no connection with Hudson, they have managed to reproduce at least some of his claimed findings. Their work, together with that of Hudson, is summarised in a number of articles by Barry Carter on his very extensive and informative website.2 There are also several lively Internet email forums, one of which, a science working group, discusses various aspects of the chemistry and physics as well as the methodology for extracting and analysing these materials.

So what conclusions can be drawn so far? It is becoming clear that, with this discovery, we are entering into a new and very complex area and are still very low on the learning curve. Indeed, it might be said that a new chapter in physics, chemistry and biology is being opened. The basic fact seems now beyond doubt, both from Hudson's work and that of the independent group, that a number of precious (and some not so precious) metals, including rhodium, iridium, gold, platinum, palladium, copper and several others, can exist in a completely different state, in which they are not metallic - being grey or white powders when isolated in the solid state.
Hudson made three other main claims, which could be more arguable. He said that, in the ORMUS form of these elements, the electrons are re-arranged in such a way that they no longer participate in chemical reactions. Likewise, the bonds which normally hold metal atoms together in the solid form are lacking, so that they would be effectively monatomic. Because of this, he originally named them Orbitally Re-arranged Monatomic Elements, or ORMEs. More recent work now suggests that at least some of these may be diatomic, and also that very loose bonds can exist with certain other elements, particularly alkaline metals. Hence the generic name has been changed to ORMUS. They are also frequently referred to as the M-state of these elements.

Another, and still more radical, claim is that the electron re-arrangement involved the formation of Cooper pairs, so that they can be (or can become with certain treatments) superconductive at normal temperatures. In support of this, Barry Carter has posted a short video file showing a grey powder jumping away from a magnet. It can be argued, however, that this "grain-hopping" phenomenon does not, of itself, prove superconductivity. Without going further into this controversy, it is worth mentioning that there are a few mainstream publications which Hudson claimed could provide indirect support.3 These identify a "high-spin" state into which certain heavy metal atoms can be made to enter and in which the nucleus becomes elongated and takes on a higher value of spin. But no one has obtained this kind of matter in bulk.
Hudson performed analyses on a wide variety of materials and reported finding ORMUS elements in most of the samples of soil he tested, but especially soils from volcanic regions. Other researchers later found them to be present in most samples of natural waters tested, with particularly high concentrations being present in the sea and especially the Dead Sea. One researcher has even found it in the air. (Here it is perhaps not too surprising that even a heavy element in the monatomic form could behave like a rare gas.)

Hudson's chemists made analyses of a number of plant tissues and found ORMUS to be highest in plants, especially aloe vera, which are grown in volcanic soils. They also analysed calf and pig brain tissue and obtained a remarkable five per cent of the dry-matter content. These analyses are not easy, since they require conversion of the ORMUS content back into the metal form. For analytical purposes, this occurs during the "long-burn" spectroscopic procedure used by Hudson. But to prepare the metals in bulk is a very lengthy procedure, and one far from being sufficiently worked out or described. Very few of the independent researchers have access to the facilities necessary for spectroscopy, and I know of none who is in a position to do this kind of work officially. Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons (financial and legal have been suggested), Hudson himself does not appear to be doing any more of this work.

A great deal more needs to be done on the physics and chemistry, not least to elucidate some of the extraordinary phenomena which have been observed. For example, on drying an aqueous preparation of ORMUS rhodium on filter paper in sunlight, Hudson observed it to disappear with an intense flash of light, but with no sound or shock wave. Still more strange, when working with ORMUS iridium and subjecting it to repeated heating to red heat and cooling, he found its weight to oscillate violently with each cycle of annealing--even, at one point, to lose and then regain all of its weight. This result has been incorporated into the hyperdimensional theory of Finnish theoretical physicist Matti Pitkanen.4

Independent researchers have confirmed the soundless flash of light, and there is one claim to have confirmed the weight changes. Several of them have observed another strange phenomenon: drops of liquid, containing concentrated ORMUS, forming on the outside of closed containers - especially under the influence of magnetic fields. This has led them to suppose that ORMUS atoms can pass through the walls by quantum tunneling, and carry a little water with them. Also unexplained is the observation that certain ORMUS preparations in aqueous solution acquire a static electric charge. This can be discharged with an audible spark, after which the charge will re-form and can again be discharged an indefinite number of times.

Biological effects of ORMUS
The biology of these materials is also wide open to investigation. It could be said, however, that the new chapter in biology has already been opened: in the quantum understanding of life. According to this view, the holistic properties of life are only accountable on the basis of quantum coherence; that is, the apparently random activity of biological molecules (according to classical thermodynamics) is actually co-ordinated by the same quantum principles which govern the action of a laser. This radical re-visioning of biology has been persuasively introduced by Dr Mae-Wan Ho.5

Further vistas in quantum biology have been opened in some exciting recent work which suggests that, while a small fraction of the DNA functions by coding for proteins, the bulk of it (the so-called "junk" DNA) operates in a way that's independent of chemistry to inform the quantum "field" of the body.6 This, together with a number of publications which suggest the presence of superconductivity in living organisms, might support Hudson's speculations on the close involvement of ORMUS with DNA--even that it can actually correct DNA damage.7
Hudson foresaw that there could be great potential for these materials in industry--especially as his analyses led him to conclude that far more of these precious elements exist in the world in this form than in the metallic form. At some point, however, his uncle, who had an interest in alchemy, suggested that if he looked into this subject he might see a connection with the "white gold" that some of the alchemists had described and which had properties of healing and extending life-span.8 He therefore gave an ORMUS preparation to a very sick dog, which was likely to die from both cancer and tick fever. When the dog recovered, human volunteers began to offer to take it themselves, apparently with good results. Hudson then gave samples to a number of doctors, with the suggestion that they try ORMUS on a few of their terminal patients. In his talks, he gives graphic reports of some of the remarkable recoveries which occurred. He also mentions that he gave a sample of ORMUS rhodium to a number of laboratories, including Merck & Co. and the US National Cancer Institute, which tested it on cultures of cancer cells and found it not to be toxic to these cells.

Since then, numbers of independent producers have sprung up, making and selling ORMUS concentrates prepared from various sources, including sea water, water from deep springs, salt mined from mineral deposits and certain medicinal plants such as aloe vera. There are now probably some thousands of people taking these products. While most of them seem to have had no history of serious illness, many have obtained improvements in general health and energy, often including changes in attitude which they take to be spiritual. Nevertheless, a few reports can be found from within the forums of ORMUS-attributed recoveries from serious illnesses including cancer. All of the data on human health, however, has to be classed as anecdotal. There have been no clinical trials, not even any collated tables of results. And here, of course, it has to be understood how much care needs to be taken not to make medical claims for materials such as these, for which no precise analyses exist.

While eschewing medical criteria, however, one can show a more immediate effect of ORMUS by certain techniques widely used to monitor the effectiveness of energy medicine therapies. One is dark-field microscopy of the blood. In a few hours after taking ORMUS (as with many other beneficial treatments, such as acupuncture, massage, etc.), a person's red cells are shown to become more rounded and well-separated and the amount of debris in the serum decreases.9 There are also reports from EEG studies of increasing balance between left and right hemispheres of the brain.
Another promising technique is bioelectrography. This is a more general term to cover Kirlian photography and later developments from it. It has been elaborated into a quantitative science by Dr Konstantin Korotkov.10, 11
Here I report my own experience. I had been taking a proprietary preparation of ORMUS for about one year, and had been aware of increased energy and a feeling of "well-being". For the test, I used the GDV (gas discharge visualisation) equipment designed by Dr Korotkov. First, I ceased to take the ORMUS for a period of two weeks, then took an initial (control) reading with the GDV, and immediately after this I took a large dose of ORMUS (six times the recommended daily dose), and then took further readings at intervals subsequently. Figure 1 [see below] shows the time course of the response, in which the area of the image rose to a maximum of 1.5 times the control at about four hours, then declined slowly over the next 12 hours. From Dr Korotkov's extensive work with the GDV, it is clear that, of the many parameters of the image which can be analysed, the area is the one most indicative of general health.

For readers who want to make some of these products themselves, see descriptions of methods on Barry Carter's website: [link to www.subtleenergies.com] The simplest procedure involves merely raising the pH of a solution of sea salt to between 10.6 and 10.78. The resulting precipitate, mainly magnesium and calcium hydroxides, carries down the ORMUS elements with it. It only remains to wash out the bulk of the salt.

ORMUS results in agriculture
In view of the difficulties in obtaining scientific data on human health, most of the emphasis must go to the effects on plants. These are unarguable, and are indeed phenomenal. They can be seen on several websites.13
The preparation most used is the simplest and cheapest: a crude concentrate made from sea water. There is in fact a history, prior to the discovery of ORMUS, of the use of products from the sea, particularly seaweed, in agriculture. Some people have even reported good results from putting unaltered seawater on the land.
Dr Maynard Murray14 recorded a great deal of data on the health of animals fed on grain from sea water-treated land. One experiment was done with a strain of mice, of which 90 per cent normally develop spontaneous breast cancer. Of those fed the grain from treated land, however, only 55 per cent developed the cancer, and in the second generation this figure was reduced to two per cent. Of course, land so treated would eventually become oversalinated and the yields would decrease. The procedure to concentrate ORMUS, however, probably increases its ratio to salt about 80 times. We note Dr Murray's comment that human populations where malignancy is rare tend to be found in areas where there is "very little egress of water to the sea", so that the vital elements washed down from the mountains remain to be re-utilised.

Very little of the concentrate is required: from four to 20 litres per acre [~0.405 hectare], depending on the crop. The results of using ORMUS concentrate, however, far outstrip those with sea water. Indeed, without the photographic evidence, they would be hard to believe. For example, a walnut tree treated over several years has grown to over twice the height of control trees and now produces six times the weight of nuts and the nuts themselves are the size of tangerine oranges! A plum tree produced, in the first year of treatment, individual fruit nearly twice the weight of those from the control tree, and in the second year they were over five times the weight. One photograph shows maize plants so high that the owner has to stand on a stepladder to reach the top. They appear to be some 12 feet [~3.6 metres] high. Oranges were produced the size of cantaloupe melons! There are many other examples. In addition, there are consistent reports by those using ORMUS that ORMUS-treated crops are not only much more productive, but they also mature earlier, need less fertiliser and have greater resistance to pests. They even taste better!

My own experience is with potatoes. Of four rows (comprised of two varieties), two were treated and two received an equivalent watering. At harvest, the aggregate weight of the controls was 31 pounds [~1.41 kilograms] and the treated was 58 pounds [~2.63 kilograms]. In addition, although I have no strict controls, some of my carrots have weighed over one pound [~454 grams].
There has been a consistent finding that yields further increase during the second and subsequent years after treatment. This is very probably due to the effect of ORMUS in building up the soil's content of mycorrhizae--the fungal symbionts which are necessary for plant growth. We have yet to give sufficient recognition to the importance of these fungi.15 They become seriously depleted by overuse of chemical fertilisers and herbicides.
Of course, there is no proof that these results, impressive as they are, are due to ORMUS. Some might still argue that the effects are due to supplementation with conventional minerals. This, as with so much of the foregoing, must await more precise scientific work.

Potential applications for ORMUS elements
However, there is no call to wait for such work before making use of these discoveries. The growth of world population is inexorable; at the same time, the area of arable land is limited and already is nearly all cultivated. If it is possible to increase production even two times with this very cheap sea water preparation, then abundance would replace the starvation which otherwise looms over us. And, even without the use of ORMUS as a direct supplement, human health would be greatly enhanced. Furthermore, since sea water cannot be patented, there is little danger that multinational companies would be able to corner the market and sell the product at inflated prices, beyond the means of Third World farmers.
How has it come about that plants, land animals and humans seem to be chronically deficient in these elements? Since they are so concentrated in sea water, one might suppose that, during the life of the Earth, they have been largely washed into the sea. This could provide a partial explanation for the increasing desertification of so much of the land. And the general decline in plant growth would contribute to the rise we are seeing in atmospheric carbon dioxide, and thus to global warming. Treating large areas of land could thus have immense benefits in offsetting global warming. One could imagine spraying large areas, especially forests, from aeroplanes. In addition, to replace fossil fuels, it would be possible to produce much greater quantities of biofuel crops on smaller areas of land.
Time is short. If we are to avert the worst environmental catastrophe, many kinds of actions need to be taken. Among these, a very important role could be played by treating land with these sea water products. We need to start doing this now. That is why I ask anyone reading this article to make every effort to spread information about ORMUS.

About the Author:
Roger Taylor, PhD, BVSc, has a PhD in immunology and set up the UK Medical Research Council's Immunobiology Research Group at the University of Bristol, where he directed work mainly on immunological tolerance. He has spent the last 18 years independently studying the scientific basis for subtle energy.
Dr Taylor is science editor/writer for Caduceus, and his ORMUS article is also published in Caduceus, issue 71, Spring 2007 (Caduceus Journal Ltd, 9 Nine Acres, Midhurst, West Sussex GU29 9EP, UK, telephone +44 01730 816799, website [link to www.caduceus.info).] He can be contacted by email at [email protected]

Editor's Note:
For background information on ORMEs, see David Hudson's two-part article White Powder Gold: A Miracle of Modern Alchemy in NEXUS vol. 3, nos 5 and 6; and Laurence Gardner's three-part article Star Fire: The Gold of the Gods in NEXUS vol. 5, no. 6 and vol. 6, nos 1 and 2, as well as Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark in NEXUS vol. 10, no. 2.
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I have been taking m-state fusion monomatic gold and platinum for about a week now.Odd things already going on.I cant wait till months from now .So far i have a calming effect,feel kinda buzzed had a humming thing going on last night before bed.Also had some truly amazing dreams in the last few days very easy to remember very realistic and so colorful more energy.I ordered it from one of the most well know makers of the ormus m-state mixes.
I am not sure whats coming next but so far so good its deff causing something to happen.
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From what we're learning about being the electric universe ... adding the elements is part of it.

Didn't we used to get into trouble for eating dirt from the garden? I have memories of the taste of the dirt from different places we lived when I was very small.

Now tho. With the changes happening, seems at least considering this topic is worthy. Keep posting your results, will you?

We in our home have not done much other than colloidal silver, prill beads in water, oil of oregano, magnesium often, real salt, natural foods--.... in these ways we are endeavoring to raise elemental levels in our bodies, not having the funding for all the prepared substances. In two years we have experienced incredible changes in our physical bodies. From our methods.

I would be extremely interested to listen and learn from any who have been actively aware of the importance of trace elements within our physical bodies and environment.
What has worked for you?

Anyone? I have learned to listen very well.

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Very interesting! I had not heard of this exact thing before.

If you are interested in the life of the soil, its microorganisms and their interaction with minerals and water, I highly recommend the book
"Secrets of the Soil"
by Peter Tompkins
one of my all time favorite authors. I thought he had covered every fringe science topic that had to do with soil and cutting edge organic agriculture, but this ORMUS stuff wasn't in there. How cool to have something new and mysterious . . Thanks for the post.
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Mercury.. Thanks for the title. Added to my list. Will first check to see if it's on the shelf.

This whole thing --elements-- is about more than simple earth, which is not simple at all. Elements are present everywhere, in fact, all IS elements.

Sounds mystical because that is the only way I can present it. However it also speaks of pure science --as we understand science-- as well, IMO. It is both magic and science, based on current understandings.

The popular understanding is changing right now, based on research in just this area for only a single instance. Massive breakthroughs in scientific (and 'magical') circles is changing the current understanding of what is our world.

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From what we're learning about being the electric universe ... adding the elements is part of it.

Didn't we used to get into trouble for eating dirt from the garden? I have memories of the taste of the dirt from different places we lived when I was very small.

Now tho. With the changes happening, seems at least considering this topic is worthy. Keep posting your results, will you?

We in our home have not done much other than colloidal silver, prill beads in water, oil of oregano, magnesium often, real salt, natural foods--.... in these ways we are endeavoring to raise elemental levels in our bodies, not having the funding for all the prepared substances. In two years we have experienced incredible changes in our physical bodies. From our methods.

I would be extremely interested to listen and learn from any who have been actively aware of the importance of trace elements within our physical bodies and environment.
What has worked for you?

Anyone? I have learned to listen very well.

xana
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Just ask me anytime i am here every day.Say a week or so start a thread about this and i will come in and tell you whats going on.I do have a friend who has been on the white powder gold for over 1yr and i will say he has changed amazingly the things he has been telling me are almost unbelievable i wouldn't bother posting them here for all the rude debunking kind.Just drop me a line.
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AC...788-- Thank you I will. I'm of the mind this is very important to many of us. I've experienced the improvement within hours after applying magnesium. Most of us live with mag. impoverishment.

The white powder is beyond my ability obtain at present. Have read some awesome accounts. And I could never even measure a cookie recipe accurately, so cannot begin to think of becoming the perfectionist in detail. smiling.

From what I've read, it expands consciousness and awareness. I've wondered what happens to the body?

See you in a week, does it have to be a different thread?

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I've been taking ORMUS for 3 months. A severe tooth infection vanished without trace the very first day. Surprisingly I don't have a cavity in that tooth anymore. My uterine fibroid disappeared inexplicably (I have the before and after ultrasounds to prove it), and I even got rid of my chronic urticaria. Still, I've had to stop taking Ormus of late. Everytime I take it I get menorrhagia that lasts several days, it really scares me. Apparently it's related to the emotional release of pent-up anger and certain traumatizing events of the last year. 2006 has been brutal for me.

There's no doubt at all that this is a very special and powerful substance - not for the faint-hearted.
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AC...788-- Thank you I will. I'm of the mind this is very important to many of us. I've experienced the improvement within hours after applying magnesium. Most of us live with mag. impoverishment.

The white powder is beyond my ability obtain at present. Have read some awesome accounts. And I could never even measure a cookie recipe accurately, so cannot begin to think of becoming the perfectionist in detail. smiling.

From what I've read, it expands consciousness and awareness. I've wondered what happens to the body?

See you in a week, does it have to be a different thread?

x
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No same thread .This company [link to www.whitepowdergold.com]

Is what i am using they don't use minerals from the sea floor like others they make the real deal.Check out some info on there site lots of information.I am using the fusion.
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Thank you 788. We were following it all pretty closely for quite awhile, was even on Barry's email forum few years ago.

This article today in my mailbox reminded me to get back to paying attention once more.

good link, thx.
x

ps... just remembered, I think it was all the in-fighting that was going on during the early years, that finally drove me away from it. Couldn't afford the equipment etc anyway. A lot was simply about patents and money. How often we obscure true value with brushfires that mean nothing.

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I've been taking ORMUS for 3 months. A severe tooth infection vanished without trace the very first day. Surprisingly I don't have a cavity in that tooth anymore. My uterine fibroid disappeared inexplicably (I have the before and after ultrasounds to prove it), and I even got rid of my chronic urticaria. Still, I've had to stop taking Ormus of late. Everytime I take it I get menorrhagia that lasts several days, it really scares me. Apparently it's related to the emotional release of pent-up anger and certain traumatizing events of the last year. 2006 has been brutal for me.

There's no doubt at all that this is a very special and powerful substance - not for the faint-hearted.
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Thank you for posting. Exactly what I was hoping... to get real stories.

Do you have someone working with you, or are you self dosing? How much is the crux I suspect.

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Going to be away from the computer, probably until morning, so please keep reading and commenting if you have interest. Looking forward to more discussions here.
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[link to www.asc-alchemy.com]

much info here hf
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[link to www.asc-alchemy.com]

much info here hf
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Yes! thank you for this link.

Lots of reading!

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I love you too Femto... hello! Did you read any of this stuff? Got any ideas from it?

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This is very interesting, thank you for posting it. Your post was meant for me to see today. I have seen this before but payed little attention to it. David Icke has promoted this for quite awhile. I am going to look into this further myself.

I also would like to hear results form those that are taking it. I take colloidal silver everyday and highly recommend it.

Here is a video I found on Google, I haven't watched it yet.

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popcorn Great thread Xana!

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"Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin.

"PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info
Here comes the Golden Age.

"Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam

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Goodness! Thank you all for the bumps, tho not for me. It is important information for people to become aware of how we can improve on the 'dumbing down' manipulations.

Thank you for the vid, Light I AM... haven't looked at it yet, will do so right away.

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Has anyone tried this?

Anything to report?


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I personally think this is a very important issue...

I don't think one has to think powder however...maybe natural.
I have been investigating such because of my illness and hoping to improve my health and well-being. Well I think what I found is along the same line of thinking of what you speak of here.
While it is not the same I think they share the same idea.

I am not posting this to boost a product sale -- I have no connections--just wanting to share. Who knows maybe it will help someone.


[link to www.msminerals.com]
SICK SOILS, SICK PLANTS, SICK PEOPLE

In the beginning, our soils contained adequate amounts of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid produced by naturally occurring microbes within the soil. They delivered the essential nutrients and minerals to plants, which made them flourish.

Over time and continued farming our, soils have been depleted of the essential microbial life, minerals, and nutrients needed to produce vigorous healthy plants and crops.

MISSING ARE THE MINERALS

The sterile soil conditions brought about by the overuse of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and erosion prohibit microbial activity and the formation of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid. Without microbial activity and Fulvic Acid plants and crops are deprived of over 60 essential minerals and amino acids needed for healthy growth. This translates into bland vegetables with little or no nutritional value and sick plants. Sick soils produce sick plants, sick plants produce sick people.

The average lifespan of an American is approximately 76 years. Certain tribes of Tibetans have life expectancy of 120-140 years. Their secret is the highly mineralized water coming off glacial mountain streams and rivers. They drink it and more importantly, for 2,500 to 5,000 years they've irrigated their crops with it. Their crops have converted the metallic minerals into organically bound plant colloidal minerals. Plants are the only living organism that is able to make this conversion.

Geoff's vision and certainly his passion is for the well being of all human kind. Because of this vision and passion we have developed products that will replenish the needed essential minerals in the plants and crops we grow. The basis of these organic and organic based products is humate.

Humate is derived from ancient plant and animal matter rich in colloidal minerals (over 70) and amino acids. The three essential acids that make up humate are 1) Humic Acid, 2) Ulmic Acid, and 3) Fulvic Acid.

* Humic acids enables plant life to extract nutrients and minerals from soil.
* Ulmic acid stimulates and increases root formation and growth
* Fulvic acids gives plants the ability to withstand stresses caused by pests, drought, and cutting.

The uniqueness of these products is that they are organic and organic based materials. No harmful additives are used
Q. What makes a mineral available?

A. Minerals exist in two forms: as metals and as organic substances. The human body is not designed to absorb and use minerals in metallic form. Organic minerals are metals that have been chelated and have thereby become bio-available. Minerals are chelated by being dissolved in Fulvic Acid, which is a part of humic substances. When a mineral is chelated by being dissolved in fulvic acid, the fulvic acid combines with the mineral to form organic mineral complexes that can be used in plant and animal metabolism. Fulvic acid organic mineral complexes pass easily through the semi-permeable cell wall and perform metabolic functions that metallic minerals cannot. This simple factor has moved them up a notch on the food chain and puts them in a form that plants and the human body can use.

Fulvic acid can be used to chelate minerals by placing the two together in appropriate amounts. The chelation process does not need to take place in the soil or in a plant, but can occur in our stomachs just as effectively. They then form bio-available organic mineral complexes which are immediately available to us. Morningstar Minerals products are all natural and chelation occurs naturally by the dissolving of colloidal metallic minerals in fulvic acid.

Q. What is Humate?

A. Humate (carobonatious shale) is formed from massive deposits of prehistoric vegetation. This layer was built up over thousands of years through the natural processes of life and death. Humic substances is a generic term for the complex of acids found in humate, and in the soil and plants around us. The remains of plants deposited in layers in New Mexico range from a few inches to as much as 50 feet in thickness.
The beneficial substances found in humate are predominately carbon, chelated minerals, amino acids, Humic and Fulvic acids. Perhaps the most important humic substance is Fulvic acid, the beneficial properties of which have been documented by a number of universities and scientist around the world.

Q. What is a colloidal mineral?

A. A colloid is a small mineral particle that keeps its identity and is capable of being in liquid suspension. This does not mean this particle is liquid only that is is small enough to be suspended in water. In themselves colloids, which are metallic, are not usable by the body. They need the presence of fulvic acid to chelate them and render them usable by the body.

The vast majority of colloidal mineral supplements on the market today consist of metallic mineral colloids. Some manufactures contend that the small size makes it possible for the colloidal mineral to pass through the membrane of a cell wall. Whilst this may be the case, the metal is still a metal mineral which has not been chelated. Hence colloidal minerals are not organic and are not bio-available.
In our view non-chelated colloidal minerals are not as safe as the naturally chelated minerals. This is because colloidal minerals are metals and may remain in the body until a potentially harmful concentration has been reached

Q. What is Volcanic Material?
A. The volcanic material used in products originates in the magma flows deep inside the earth. It comes to the earth's surface through volcanic action and is the best available representation of the mineral composition of the earth. Volcanic material contains metallic minerals which are naturally chelated by the action of the humic and fulvic acids in humate

Q. What is fulvic acid? Where is it found?

A. Fulvic acid is a part of the humic structure of rich, composting soil. It is created by microbes working on decaying matter in a soil environment. Hence it exists in all rich soils which have not been degraded through improper farming methods and the use of modern chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Fulvic acid is found in plants also, which take it into themselves and use it in their metabolism, and then pass it on to us when we eat plants rich in fulvic. Fulvic acid is found in usable form in humate also. Fulvic acid from humic deposits usually carry 60 or more minerals and trace elements in organic complexes that are necessary for life.

It is possible that fulvic acid is the single most important substance for life as we know it. Without fulvic acid, no mineral can be safely absorbed into a living plant or animal.

Q. What are Fulvic Acid's metabolic effects?
A. Some of the more important effects of fulvic acid are:

Fulvic acid is one of the most powerful natural anti-oxidants and free radical scavengers known.

Fulvic acid is a detoxification agent. Heavy metals and other pollutants are either altered into new usable (bio-available) products or are eliminated as waste by virtue of being transformed into material which the body can manage.

Fulvic acid enhances and increases the absorption of other compounds such as herbs, vitamins, tinctures, minerals and foods with which it is combined.

Fulvic acid transports vitamins into the cells and acts as a catalyst in the use of vitamins in the cell.

Q. Why take supplements? The effects of chemical farming, What is Humate?

A. Farming practices, as we know them, rely on a very limited number of concentrated chemicals for fertilization of the land. These chemical fertilizers, because they are in no way natural in form, have the effect of destroying the microbes which make fulvic acid in the humus in the soil. The result is that minerals become unavailable to the crops being grown. What minerals are available are quickly taken from the soil. Many farmers do not take the effort to replace these in the soil, as replacement requires resting the fields for up to a year and the ongoing replacement of humus and other materials which result in the return of the beneficial microbes. The result is that we grow food that is not fully mineralized and which does not provide us with all of the minerals we require for optimum metabolism and health.
Without the presence of an adequate amount of fulvic acid and organic mineral complexes, our food grows and sustains us, but does not provide all the minerals and nutrients that should be present. The result is that we become deficient in nutrients and more susceptible to degenerative diseases.
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I personally think this is a very important issue...

I don't think one has to think powder however...maybe natural.
I have been investigating such because of my illness and hoping to improve my health and well-being. Well I think what I found is along the same line of thinking of what you speak of here.
While it is not the same I think they share the same idea.

I am not posting this to boost a product sale -- I have no connections--just wanting to share. Who knows maybe it will help someone.


[link to www.msminerals.com]
SICK SOILS, SICK PLANTS, SICK PEOPLE

In the beginning, our soils contained adequate amounts of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid produced by naturally occurring microbes within the soil. They delivered the essential nutrients and minerals to plants, which made them flourish.

Over time and continued farming our, soils have been depleted of the essential microbial life, minerals, and nutrients needed to produce vigorous healthy plants and crops.

MISSING ARE THE MINERALS

The sterile soil conditions brought about by the overuse of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and erosion prohibit microbial activity and the formation of Humic Acid and Fulvic Acid. Without microbial activity and Fulvic Acid plants and crops are deprived of over 60 essential minerals and amino acids needed for healthy growth. This translates into bland vegetables with little or no nutritional value and sick plants. Sick soils produce sick plants, sick plants produce sick people.

The average lifespan of an American is approximately 76 years. Certain tribes of Tibetans have life expectancy of 120-140 years. Their secret is the highly mineralized water coming off glacial mountain streams and rivers. They drink it and more importantly, for 2,500 to 5,000 years they've irrigated their crops with it. Their crops have converted the metallic minerals into organically bound plant colloidal minerals. Plants are the only living organism that is able to make this conversion.

Geoff's vision and certainly his passion is for the well being of all human kind. Because of this vision and passion we have developed products that will replenish the needed essential minerals in the plants and crops we grow. The basis of these organic and organic based products is humate.

Humate is derived from ancient plant and animal matter rich in colloidal minerals (over 70) and amino acids. The three essential acids that make up humate are 1) Humic Acid, 2) Ulmic Acid, and 3) Fulvic Acid.

* Humic acids enables plant life to extract nutrients and minerals from soil.
* Ulmic acid stimulates and increases root formation and growth
* Fulvic acids gives plants the ability to withstand stresses caused by pests, drought, and cutting.

The uniqueness of these products is that they are organic and organic based materials. No harmful additives are used
Q. What makes a mineral available?

A. Minerals exist in two forms: as metals and as organic substances. The human body is not designed to absorb and use minerals in metallic form. Organic minerals are metals that have been chelated and have thereby become bio-available. Minerals are chelated by being dissolved in Fulvic Acid, which is a part of humic substances. When a mineral is chelated by being dissolved in fulvic acid, the fulvic acid combines with the mineral to form organic mineral complexes that can be used in plant and animal metabolism. Fulvic acid organic mineral complexes pass easily through the semi-permeable cell wall and perform metabolic functions that metallic minerals cannot. This simple factor has moved them up a notch on the food chain and puts them in a form that plants and the human body can use.

Fulvic acid can be used to chelate minerals by placing the two together in appropriate amounts. The chelation process does not need to take place in the soil or in a plant, but can occur in our stomachs just as effectively. They then form bio-available organic mineral complexes which are immediately available to us. Morningstar Minerals products are all natural and chelation occurs naturally by the dissolving of colloidal metallic minerals in fulvic acid.

Q. What is Humate?

A. Humate (carobonatious shale) is formed from massive deposits of prehistoric vegetation. This layer was built up over thousands of years through the natural processes of life and death. Humic substances is a generic term for the complex of acids found in humate, and in the soil and plants around us. The remains of plants deposited in layers in New Mexico range from a few inches to as much as 50 feet in thickness.
The beneficial substances found in humate are predominately carbon, chelated minerals, amino acids, Humic and Fulvic acids. Perhaps the most important humic substance is Fulvic acid, the beneficial properties of which have been documented by a number of universities and scientist around the world.

Q. What is a colloidal mineral?

A. A colloid is a small mineral particle that keeps its identity and is capable of being in liquid suspension. This does not mean this particle is liquid only that is is small enough to be suspended in water. In themselves colloids, which are metallic, are not usable by the body. They need the presence of fulvic acid to chelate them and render them usable by the body.

The vast majority of colloidal mineral supplements on the market today consist of metallic mineral colloids. Some manufactures contend that the small size makes it possible for the colloidal mineral to pass through the membrane of a cell wall. Whilst this may be the case, the metal is still a metal mineral which has not been chelated. Hence colloidal minerals are not organic and are not bio-available.
In our view non-chelated colloidal minerals are not as safe as the naturally chelated minerals. This is because colloidal minerals are metals and may remain in the body until a potentially harmful concentration has been reached

Q. What is Volcanic Material?
A. The volcanic material used in products originates in the magma flows deep inside the earth. It comes to the earth's surface through volcanic action and is the best available representation of the mineral composition of the earth. Volcanic material contains metallic minerals which are naturally chelated by the action of the humic and fulvic acids in humate

Q. What is fulvic acid? Where is it found?

A. Fulvic acid is a part of the humic structure of rich, composting soil. It is created by microbes working on decaying matter in a soil environment. Hence it exists in all rich soils which have not been degraded through improper farming methods and the use of modern chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Fulvic acid is found in plants also, which take it into themselves and use it in their metabolism, and then pass it on to us when we eat plants rich in fulvic. Fulvic acid is found in usable form in humate also. Fulvic acid from humic deposits usually carry 60 or more minerals and trace elements in organic complexes that are necessary for life.

It is possible that fulvic acid is the single most important substance for life as we know it. Without fulvic acid, no mineral can be safely absorbed into a living plant or animal.

Q. What are Fulvic Acid's metabolic effects?
A. Some of the more important effects of fulvic acid are:

Fulvic acid is one of the most powerful natural anti-oxidants and free radical scavengers known.

Fulvic acid is a detoxification agent. Heavy metals and other pollutants are either altered into new usable (bio-available) products or are eliminated as waste by virtue of being transformed into material which the body can manage.

Fulvic acid enhances and increases the absorption of other compounds such as herbs, vitamins, tinctures, minerals and foods with which it is combined.

Fulvic acid transports vitamins into the cells and acts as a catalyst in the use of vitamins in the cell.

Q. Why take supplements? The effects of chemical farming, What is Humate?

A. Farming practices, as we know them, rely on a very limited number of concentrated chemicals for fertilization of the land. These chemical fertilizers, because they are in no way natural in form, have the effect of destroying the microbes which make fulvic acid in the humus in the soil. The result is that minerals become unavailable to the crops being grown. What minerals are available are quickly taken from the soil. Many farmers do not take the effort to replace these in the soil, as replacement requires resting the fields for up to a year and the ongoing replacement of humus and other materials which result in the return of the beneficial microbes. The result is that we grow food that is not fully mineralized and which does not provide us with all of the minerals we require for optimum metabolism and health.
Without the presence of an adequate amount of fulvic acid and organic mineral complexes, our food grows and sustains us, but does not provide all the minerals and nutrients that should be present. The result is that we become deficient in nutrients and more susceptible to degenerative diseases.
 Quoting: ~simplyme


I am happy to 'double post' this important information. Was just thinking about this thread, and now others are too.

IMO--you're correct, SimplyMe, about the powder being not the only way to go. We could not afford the powder, and were already taking colloidal silver. We added colloidal minerals too, and have been purchasing our vegetables in smaller markets, where the produce is usually from local growers....

This article you have posted, however, takes one so much further into things. There's a lot we can each do, tho not all of us will be able to grow our own food.

Maybe that's part of the sickness of this society.
hmmm.
x (thanks for posting and bumping the thread)
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Cool information on this thread. I will repeat what I said on my earlier post, if you are interested in how life processes make minerals available in the soil, and what we can do to further the microbial life of the soil, you will love the book "Secrets of the Soil" by Peter Tompkins. One of my all time favorite books.
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Thanks Xana ! Glad I could help

I guess I want to stress this part....

The vast majority of colloidal mineral supplements on the market today consist of metallic mineral colloids. Some manufactures contend that the small size makes it possible for the colloidal mineral to pass through the membrane of a cell wall. Whilst this may be the case, the metal is still a metal mineral which has not been chelated. Hence colloidal minerals are not organic and are not bio-available.
In our view non-chelated colloidal minerals are not as safe as the naturally chelated minerals. This is because colloidal minerals are metals and may remain in the body until a potentially harmful concentration has been reached

(If anyone has done research on the collidals available today you know that there are those that have concentration levels that are not good. Some have even turned a ghastly gray color)

and this......
The volcanic material (HUMATE)- used in products originates in the magma flows deep inside the earth. It comes to the earth's surface through volcanic action and is the best available representation of the mineral composition of the earth. Volcanic material contains metallic minerals which are naturally chelated by the action of the humic and fulvic acids in humate

Fulvic acid from humic deposits usually carry 60 or more minerals and trace elements in organic complexes that are necessary for life.
It is possible that fulvic acid is the single most important substance for life as we know it. Without fulvic acid, no mineral can be safely absorbed into a living plant or animal.
Fulvic acid is one of the most powerful natural anti-oxidants and free radical scavengers known.
Fulvic acid is a detoxification agent.
The beneficial substances found in HUMATE are predominately carbon, chelated minerals, amino acids, Humic and Fulvic acids. Perhaps the most important humic substance is Fulvic acid, the beneficial properties of which have been documented by a number of universities and scientist around the world.

What we have available to us are their products that are necessary to use on ourselves, our private gardens and our pets at a reasonable price. Go check them out!
I spilled some accidentally and left it....it dried into a powder...hmmm
Anyway maybe you can get what you are looking for yourself here and it is not "manufactured" supplements but natural. Liquid by the way.

blessings
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Hadn't been checking this thread.

SimplyMe-- thank You!!

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My husband and I started taking monatomics 2 months ago.
The results are becomming more and more visible. We take a minimum dose each day , also because of the costs and because we want to do this cleaning up of the body and soul very gently. When you start taking these monatomics you will find out very rapitly that you have to work on yourself much more conciusly.
My husband has had a cva and has had high bloodpressure for more then 15 years... within one week of taking these elements his bloodpressure is so low , like he was a sportsman (wich he is not , lol) This is so very amazing , but also very good! yesterday we checked his bloodpressure again and it was 105/75 with heartbeat of 78 !
My physical problems have decreased very much also .
On the physical level the result are very visible and undenialble.
It like your body is being cleaned from inside out ... in the first two weeks we had pimples (is that the right word?) on our skin and a vage headache.
Taking monatomics is not something you take lightly , for not only bodely filth is cleared up , but also inner filth as
grief , anger , pain etc has to come out and you will have to deal with these emotions much more faster then before.
My husband is a man-man , doesn't talk to much about his feelings and isn't very emotional ... he has had 2 emotional breakdowns in the last 4 weeks . Old hurt has been expressed now , but his parents who he confronted with his feelings weren't happy surpriced...to say the least. So on the emotional level its hard work to clean your inside up and to let go of old pains.
With me this emotional clean up is even more visible then with my husband...
But we knew what we started and we have eachother to get true this.
So if you take these monatomics be very shure you want to do some big work on yourselve ... there is no escaping or pushing feelings away . Everything wich is blocking your energy WILL come out. If you are not ready for this emotional stuff , you can better not take these elements .
Please keep this in mind. When you start taking them you will at first have many ishues to deal with ...even if you are very spiritual , but we are commited to work true all these negatives. How long this cleanup will take , we don't know.

We have started taking monatomics from this company :
[link to www.cancerchoices.com]

Thes are very strong and good monatomics ...you can feel this very fast after taking it in.
We are looking for a good supplier in europe , because of the high taxes we have to pay if we buy in the us...any tips?

hf
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Hi Anne... so happy you've commented here. It is the first time I've read of results directly from an experiencer (besides those posted on the various product sites, lol).

What you describe is very similar to what happened to my husband and I when we first began taking Oil of Oregano and putting colloidal silver in our water, two years ago. The pimples. The body changes. Skin and hair clearing up. We've run fairly parallel to your experience.

Now the mental/internal!! What you are describing is what is happening to every human being on the planet in some form or another, especially during this month of March 07.

Better wording would be-- the physical substances we take to help us clear the body and soul do the job; HOWEVER the energy coming to this planet right now is the biggest 'cleaning agent' we could have. Except there is no choice in the matter... it is happening.

It is spring housecleaning for planet earth!

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i take a mix of ormus / monatomic elements daily, i have great health and a lovely ringing in my ears.....
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i take a mix of ormus / monatomic elements daily, i have great health and a lovely ringing in my ears.....
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Okay, you've whetted my appetite to hear more, please??
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