When the USA Power Grid Dies, 25+ Nuke Plants will eventually go Fukushima when their ON Site Power Fails to power Cooling to Reactors/fuel pools

It provides heat. The rest is our machinery to harvest that heat. We have waste facilities in Colorado that will need forced cooling for 10 thousand years. No civilization has lasted that long.

They're centered in Brussels. We're going to be forced to take preemptive action against this country of collaborators, Belgium.

Bull Shit

There are already multiple plans in place for that scenario, wouldn't happen.

We're not a part of the Old World's story, that's why.

Unlike your country, Italy, who had an evil world empire that murdered the Messiah.

No. There run by people who believe science can control the Atom without consequences.

If the plant computer controlling systems are on Windows an if, somehow a virus like we are facing now, brought by some idiot or entered by some corrupted firmware, then how you can control the reactor to work at 2%?

Then all you can do is a manual shutdown and keep the bars cooled inside the pool, and this require electric energy and working pumps, electricity which cannot be provided from shutdown reactor, but by other means, ie the electric generator.

But as other people said here, these generators need fuel and parts (ultimately) and if this phenomenon it's wide spread, or is a calamity of some sort, then we can wait the fuel and parts to be delivered by governments!

You do know that Pontius Pilate deemed that there was no reason to kill Jesus. He brought it to the people for decision. The J_ws screamed the loudest for murdering him...

There is so much ignorance on this forum with regards to how a nuclear power plant operates. Nuke plants DO generate their own power for most of their electrical loads, and they are designed to use power from the grid or backup emergency diesel/hydro generators for their ECCS (Emergency core cooling). The backup power supplies and cooling equipment are all automated and they all have redundant equipment trains (backups to backups). Some plants also have "terry turbine" equipment that is powered by the steam that is still being produced by the heat from cooling the core to run either an emergency generator, or drive emergency pumps that inject water to cover the core. As long as there is diesel fuel available there will always be emergency power available. And by the way, did you know there is enough diesel stored at the plant for immediate use to power each generator for a month, and that there are multiple emergency generators for each reactor?

This possibility (probability) is why all those end of the world post apocalyptic movies don't work for me. Virtually none address this scenario happening. And remember too, probably every single nuke plant WORLD WIDE would go off line and melt down.

They think they're monkeys spinning on a ball and a button can destroy the whole thing.....

You 'r a hoah!

Spread your lack of knowledge in other parts, or maybe you are a three-fifty?

Theoretically maybe!

I was witnessing an incredibly malfunction, when the 1st layer gen didn't worked, 2nd, didn't worked as well and the 3rd one had a problem, thus the redundancy was not achieved. Luckily was not nuclear industry, still millions in losses and penalties!

So, no human systems are infallible!

If I tell you to kill someone, and you kill them... Am I the murderer or you?

Fuel rods and other radioactive materials have the ability to weaken anything in contact with them over time, making the materials take on the property akin to swiss cheese. Just left alone for 1000 years, all the concrete would rot eventually becoming sand, or completely oxidized, and all the steel would have become brittle and a pile of rust. Any fuel pools would become shallow basins. Weird things would live in the immediate vicinity bearing unusual differences to their former genetic patterns, due to the breakdown of their DNA. High energy particles penetrate everything, and carry away vital things. To date little is being learned about how to exploit this capacity of advanced accelerated deterioration for our benefit, and will be our downfall if this is not researched.

Already due to be secured with 60% efficiency super solar array backup generators, and teslas latest 20+ year lasting battery banks. So men. No need for diesel generators. Also immune from EMP.

That one month supply would have to be refreshed for hundreds of years.

It might be possible to take apart the fuel assemblies and separate the individual fuel pellets to a safe distance from one another where they won't react between each other and heat up excessively.

The Ocean And soil can neutralize perfectly, dont worry

This time will come. ac4101 is talking like there will be fuel months, that might be the case, but when that time and fuel runs out and it will. Game over. If this planet is livable in another 100 to 150 years I would be shocked. I'm glad I have lived when I did, not sure I would want to live in the next 50 to 75 years here.

I had the privilege of knowing the man who engineered, designed and worked as vice president of plant Votgle. Prior he worked directly under Gen. Rickover in the US Navy and was part of the team to launch the first nuclear submarines in US Navy history. The same one jfk worked on.

There are more failsafes for catastrophic disaster than there are for actual operations by a long shot. In all cases, the catastrophe will trigger containment as well as continued cooling powered by its own output.

Fuku was a "perfect storm" as it doesn't get much worse than a 9.0 plus an accompanying tsunami. Their plant did not have the walled containment that US plants are required.

The US program has that and more, especially after 3 mile.

Power grid goes down, the plants are not a concern. They will continue in containment under their own design. I don't know the specifics but I was a curious glper in his life and asked many questions similar to this before his death.

It literally takes a nuclear engineer to understand it all but his explanation of some things "like I'm 5" was good enough for me.

Nuclear is clean and efficient. It is the enemy to oil and there is a reason why it's vilified. That reason is money and power.

Because of efforts by these pioneers, we have the best God damned nuclear Navy that OWNS the 7 seas and a power generating system in this country that cannot even come close by others in its superiority.

The Nazi's post-war helped with that tremendously as well. It's not a pretty part of the history, but it is accurate.

Don't be a cock sucker for big oil.

Seems like the biggest fail in the history of mankind, but it is reality.

Hey atom boy!
Ever hear of Fukushima or Chernobyl or the Fermi plant or many others?

Thanks for that info.

They could have used
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which generates electricity from heat and cold, to drive the cooling pumps...
But no.. they rely on the grid.

As long as I go bitcoin, nothing else matters.

when do you suppose the Hackers will get around to doing that?

You dont have to suck oil off to know nukes are the most expensive power on the planet. And the most dangerous. BTW I AM an engineer, didnt just know one.

Sorry but power outages don't turn nuclear power plants into Fukushima. The cores are well protected, it takes destruction to open the protective layers. Power outage isn't destructive.

well, after 67 years they figured the price would go way down by now,
but i guess it didn't, did it....

This was all hashed out at the Nuremburg trials. All the little Nazi's said they were following orders. So the Generals and people giving the orders got killed or jailed. So you would be the murderer...

Last Edited by DuckNCover on 05/14/2017 10:48 AM