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Lester On The Essential Skills For Survival

 
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After about 10yrs, it is on my heart to revisit the concept of Survivalism. There is much here in the old threads I began. For these search in the archives. One, entitled, Survival Guns, I was timed-out on so it won't come up if you search under my name. It was about 24pgs last time I bumped it. A good read with many old school GLPers contributing much.


But, what are THE Essential Skills?


Top of the list is probably FIRST AID & MEDICAL. I have taken Red Cross training in CPR and Lifeguard; but not like I can do surgery. Then again, few will have that training, and not many of them even MD's. Too much specialization and other than a fulltime ER Surgeon in a Big City charity hospital, nobody sees the full gamut.

But! You can Read about it... You can buy and assemble Medical Kits, learn Homeopathy and use herbs and vitamins. This morphs into lifestyle changes, or did for my family. Back to basic reference; no, you won't need a PDR... Merck Manual, Gray's Anatomy, Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible, Jethro Kloss Back To Nature, Kent's Repertory, and some other stuff like Where There Is No Doctor/Dentist, and some military field manuals like handbook of battlefield surgery.

Skills... Not talking understanding of concepts here; talking ABILITIES and Knowging From Doing...


So maybe we go forth with discussion on each topic as this evolves on other threads?


Being able to live through a trauma event or wounding accident pretty much comes at the top of the list.

From there on we come to:
-Water and Sanitation
-Food Mgmt and Preparation
-Electric Generation & Power Storage
-Heating/Cooling and Comfort
-Security & Safety
-Transport
-Communications
-Repair & Fabrication
-Clothing and Personal Gear
-Outdoor Gear
-Firearms, Ammunition, Marksmanship
-Mindset and Preparations
-Animals & Pets
-Food & Materiel Acquisition
-Homestead & Location
-References & Tools, Spares

Skills come by DOING and LEARNING.
Owning a generator you've never used to power your household is better than not having one; but, only marginally.

In Mel Tappan's Personal Survival Letter, a subscription newsletter still worth reading today, Tappan hired Gunsmith JB Wood to write a column covering the maintenance of the most commonly suitable Survival Guns. Wood wrote from his experience fixing various pistols, rifles, shotguns. The idea was to identify the common parts that broke and acquire spares. Most common breaking parts are springs, sears, and pins including firing pins. Some people think they need to own complete spare weapons, well buy $40 of parts and a learn to dissemble your weapon and you have saved $800 and can fix it several times, and likely make your own parts later...

Self-Sufficiency. Knowing HOW to make your life when you can no longer buy your way to what you want...


It's not rocket science to live in a deliberate fashion. HD Thoreau said that was why he went to the woods, to live Deliberately...


Pretty easy, really to live in tune with your environ. In the Desert Southwest, adobe bricks made good insulation and could serve for fireplaces in the corner. Electric lines can be routed after construction or building adaptation. A few solar panels, a decent inverter and some storage batteries and you have electric. A freezer kept in a cool place and out of direct sunlight can run on 3hrs of power a day. You can manage your electrical load; you will if shit hits fan...

It's a BIG Learning Curve to have to face all at once though. You will need your skills when you require them. Having a laptopp with 500gig of epub/mobi downloads means nothing if you haven't extracted the files much less read them.


The events of daily life now certainly indicate time is short. When the baloon goes up you may have an hour to make whatever relocation you plan happen. Good Luck With That...

Maybe the most critical skill is that of having enough confidence in your judgment that you don't wait for the Final Event to move to your survival location. Not everyone's blessed to have such a place, but God Does Make Our Way, if we are HIS. That is something to always remember...


The grid's gonna go down.
Your water services are gonna go down and that includes waste water and sewage.
Gas remainders in pipes will be a fire danger.

Lots to consider and learn to manage.
Hopefully you are already managing and working a plan for your family.

More to come, if there's genuine interest. Might motivate me to replace the headgasket on my portable genset that I keep putting off, or cause me to setup the chronograph and be sure about velocities I otherwise just estimate. Nice to have the time and resources to use leisurely.

Best regards to all who sense what's coming and are trying to do what they can...
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Very Good Mindset.
You have thought about and experienced
reality.
Good organization.
Tell us more.
I am ready to learn.
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Awareness is a BIG element...

I found Jeff Cooper's Principles of Personal Defense back in 1980. Pretty interesting, his color-coding Conditions Of Awareness.


These days, it may simply be my stoic nature, but more like instinctively, it seems everyone knows what's coming and is evaluating their options. The way hollyweird shows all the guys in a room going wild-eyed and looking at everyone else before a huge fight erupts...


Are you Out Of The Line Of Fire?
Have you surveyed your home locale in anticipation of where attack is most likely to come from?


Are you listening to your instincts? Goes much further for me than "instinct", but Relationship With God is like that. I have been Trusting HIS Voice since the first time I heard it, and HE Has Saved my life and that of my entire family a couple times that I Know of.

If you Trust God and have Told HIM So, HE Does make your Way. But this is not a witness thread...


Living Deliberately is what will be required. If remaining in a suburban or urban setting, you will for sure need stealth to escape detection and observation.

On the other hand, the urban situation will require lots of observation and monitoring. Need to know what's happening around you. Also need to have some bolt hole you can resort to and have it well hidden. A closet floor that comes up with a hollow under your foundation, or a false wall in your basement with passage out...

Good optics and radio gear come to mind as well as maybe some vantage points in your attic to view from or an innocent looking tree house/platform? Maybe some cameras that are closed-loop not wifi.


We left, so my experience is not with close proximity to large city or suburbs. But a well thought out plan for bugging-in in the right city might be very viable.
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Read FerFal? Been to Mexico?
Homes in Mexico typically have a high walled yard and the privacy wall will have glass shards cemented as a top layer of deterrent.

Not really possible to live in a bunker, not among neighbors who aren't similarly minded, anyway... But, you can proof your house to some degree. The 9mm para and 55gr 5.56mm or 7.62x25 whatever the AK round is are the most common firearms. Cheap to shoot, not the best penetration although the AK round is very capable of blasting destruction. Still, there are preps you can make. Like sandbags placed inside around walls, plate steel, install some decorative planters around your home. Make the planters pretty shallow, maybe 8" and use a plastic box for the dirt. The plants sit on top of a 3-4' brick or concrete riser. Fill that with sand, rocks, compacted dirt. Use a fine hardware cloth to hold the fill in place so your bullet absorber won't fall to pieces.

You can landscape to your advantage and reinforce inside w/loopholes. Another old trick is to dig below your floor inside your house.

Your home may be more the place you weather the storm most effectively. Once the chaos ends, there will be other places to live.

Sanitation and water mgmt is a concern. A resale shop potty chair can be adapted to work with a 5gal paint bucket that holds kitty litter. Obviously you don't pee in the poop container, but it is possible to get good composting action once learn the drill. Plenty of white 13gal trash bags might also be an asset.

Water can be treated with PLAIN HYPOCHLORITE Bleach for purity and drinking. Rain water can be collected from roof or gutter (if don't have a asphalt shingled roof). Can get some metal roofing and make that shed you've been wanting, rig a gutter to feed a 50gal or other water storage facility.

A kids pool, especially the backyard upright type sold by Wallyworld for $79 will store a lot of water. Cover it with a tarp suspended in the middle so rain and debris don't get in your water... A tarp can be held up by a Tennis Ball looped with a rope. Make a 2x4 tripod tall enough to support your tarp.

Pool chlorine is super strong, but works for purifying water. A bag will make many more gallons than household bleach about the same cost.


In Rhodesia, during the Terrorist Era, farmers would make hardware cloth screens some distance in front of their homes to trigger RPG incoming before they hit the house. A 2x4 frame over windows with taught hardware cloth will bounce back grenades. Also keeps sneaks out of your house.

Another thing to do is remove any foliage and fuel for fire from around your house. Putting in gravel, pulling weeds and relocating shrubs etc. Then you might want emergency perimeter lighting...

For sure you you'll need a quieted generator with inverter and battery enough to store 10-20kw. Generator with separate battery charger(s) is the way to go. Simple inverters don't fail as often.

No AE system is going to run electric heating or air conditioning. For heat, the TOYOTOMI self-contained fuel oil Laser series are a good answer where temps get Very Low. Efficient to run by inverter/battery, and they make a fuel-oil waterheater also.
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Know how to cook from scratch?
Got a full kitchen with prep area and all basic utensils?
Got several Cast Iron pieces?


Never too late to learn to cook. You can cook in your fireplace if the chimney is functional. Cast iron cookware is excellent and versatil. Good ol' Revere Ware is great stuff. Buy all the gear you don't have at the Thrift Store.

Get in the habbit of SAVING Your MONEY!


Got a million bucks? Might be enough. Then again, if you have time, you'll find deals. You can pay $40 for a decent chef's knife online or get it for $3 at the resale shop... Meat forks, spatulas, spoons, serving spoons and about anything else... Try Ebay for some stuff.

Cast Iron though is often more at resales. Buy new Lodge stuff or pay for the old Wagner quality. Wallyworld sells Lodge skillets very cheap. All their stuff, griddles, dutch ovens etc is Excellent. Some, you can buy already "seasoned". Not a big deal to season your gear, just takes cooking oil and an oven at moderate heat. Fry stuff in it, that wil improve the seasoning...

Cookbooks are worth buying. Get em at the thrift store. The old reliables Joy Of Cooking, Betty Crocker, NY Times, Craig Claiborne, Martha Stewart, Junior League. whatever have lots of recipes and how-to articles, plus conversion measures.

One thing NOT to skimp on is KNIFE Sharpening Gear. Sharp knives are safer and enable you to do better work. Nothing more critical than good sharp Kitchen knives. Plain, cheap carbon steel sharpens quickly and easily. Old Hickory knives are pretty decent.

Need to KNOW how to Preserve food.
=Canning Get the Ball Canning Guide The Blue Book...
=Putting Food By, esther dickey
=learn to use CO-2 chips to preserve your own bulk grains and beans.
=Learn to dehydrate in your oven or get an Excelsior Dehydrator.

What else? Learn to use the food you store for everyday.

Macrobiotics is very in tune with grains and beans. Lots of recipes that promote good blood and health.


Need to have propane or other fuel source for coookstove. If you got lots of electric AE generation, then maybe an electric stove... Woodburning cookstove? Not practical due to cost and weight unless you planned for it. Great resource if works for you. Can cook on top of a woodburning stove if has a flat top surface.


Lots of foods freeze well. If you have AE takes about 3-5hrs of runtime daily to keep freezer fully functional. Refrigerator mostly uses energy to defrost the freezer. Can unplug at night. Maybe buy a fridge w/o a freezer? An upright freezer can function as a fridge. Only plug it in a half-hour morning and night.

Watch your electric gizmos... The Kill-A-Watt meter shows the load required. Easier to make a lg coffee using a cone & filter with kettle water than to use the Mr. Coffee. Maybe not easier, but saves a lot of elecric...

Kitchen is the hub of your family. Most everything good begins there. Everybody learns to cook and cleans up.

Got septic? Important not to rinse grease and non-biodegradeable crap down the drain. Septic save TP only... Throw paper out not down the toilet. burn your garbage or compost all you can.

Want to be using good garbage to compost and make nutrient rich soil.
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Electric on a stand-alone basis will be expensive but very worthwhile. Can take many forms and serve in variety of uses.

12v solar panel can charge a 12v deep cycle battery and power many 12v/14v tools and lamps. Lots of RV and camping accessories out there.

The higher the voltage the less ampacity loss. A 60v line (wire) can transmit the same level of power (amps) over a smaller diameter of wire than a lesser diameter line. Solar panels or wind-charger can be more affordably sited. 4-0 single strand wire is very expensive and hard to handle, requires larger conduit and is harder to work with. a #2 ga wire or #6 is much easier to buy and work with.

Several inexpensive panels can charge a deep cycle battery which can run an inveter. These days, a 270 watt 24v panel might cost $300 Three or four panels wired in parallel or parallel & series to make 48v can charge 4-8 six volt golf cart or floor scrubber batteries. With a charge controller and iverter of 3000 to 5000 watts you are able to power lights, refrigeration and other essentials for a house. Talking using LED or Fluoride light bulbs, but they work fine.

An AE system can be wired into your home. Some inverters will inter-tie with your electric provider. An AE system can save you money now if you live where its sunny.

An AE system can also be a stand-by UPS. Takes a switching box to disconnect from the grid and must be automated. Quite a bit of money, but it works.

Might need a generator to power some battery charger(s) on cloudy days. A generator can also be wired direct to your breaker box; again using a auto disconnect or manual disconnect so it doesn't backfeed the power line and injur or kill a lineman or utlility worker trying to get power re-established.


Inverter generators seem to be the ticket. Depneds on your system and invertery type. You want Pure Sine Wave electric production, at least from your inveter to your home or individual electric outlets. Square wave will work with standard battery chargers and be more durable.

You can wire a generator straight to one appliance, like an electric water heater. Just takes lots of electric power like 8k or 10k 240v. Not efficient... A propane or natural gas hot water heater is more efficient. There are on-demand water heaters that can inter-tie with solar pre-heated water sources, like from a collector on your roof or another form of black pipe grid that heats in the sun. A black water hose is also a decent collector. You can rig several black hoses or black plastic pipes and make an outdoor shower for Summer use.

You can rig pipes to carry water in/through a wood burning stove. Lots of ways to heat water with wood. A boiler system can provide baseboard or fan vented heat like Modine radiator fan heaters used in shops and warehouses.

Self-sufficiency begins with learning what your needs are. Electric devices should have a tag or data sheet that shows start current required and running current required, usually any electric motor has 3-5x as much start current draw as run current draw.

To learn what you need, add up all the electric devices you expect to have on at one time, then add 25% to that. You will see that any way you can reduce your needs from constant to only short term use makes your power generated go further or last longer.


It is not a big deal to convert even a large house to an Inverter-Battery-Genset-AE system. Might be expensive for the gear you want, but wiring everything into your home might be as simple as adding an additional power box in your garage and utility closet, then routing the power delivery wires and ground.

The key thing to understand with electricity is your power system to the battery & inverter is one separate activity, while the power from the inverter to your breaker boxes and circuits is another.

Any AE system will also need a CENTRAL Disconnect that is Fused to handle overload and provide instant removal of all systems from the power circuit.

Probably The HOME Power magazine archives on CD rom is good resource to consult. The Arizona Wind & Power forum is a good place to read and ask questions.
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Water. The real Essential...


Got a well? Live where the water table is fairly high? You can drive a waterpoint in the ground yourself and likely hit a water vein. There are other self-drilling systems. Maybe you know where a spring seeps on the side of a hill?

If you have a metal roof, a gutter system and collection barrels etc will yield water. Just have to purify it before drinking, cooking or bathing with it. Same concern if source is a well. Well water should be tested or purified.

Purifiers or filters are a must.

A hand filter for camping like an MSR or Katadyn can be cleaned and used many years if maintained correctly. The MSR is a good choice for side-pump action, easily obtainable parts and because it threads onto a Nalgene bottle or MSR dromedary bag so no contamination concern.

For home or camp use, the candle type filters are super long lasting if they don't break or freeze. Berkey's are supposed to be good. We have a Katadyn expedition filter which processes about 3gals at a time and holds clean water in lower reservoir. Ours has been in constant use for 15yrs. We clean well water which has very minimal concern. The filter needs cleaning about every 6-8 months.

To make a filter go a longtime between cleanings, pre-filter using a fine mesh screen at your water inlet. Filtering dirty water can be done, but clean it first to preserve filter life.

Tarps can be rigged to gather rain water or even overnight condensation. Condensation can ge gathered with a sponge or cloth and used. Condensation is what works in a solar still. Hopefully you will have some options before resorting to deploying solar stills, though in the desert they might save your life. Best way to use one is to have it angled with a drinking tube to draw water from so not to disturb the still when you want water.

I have never used a drinking straw filter. There are cheap throw away filters sold at Walmart. Probably work fine; buy some extra filters to keep these in action. Once they clog, you replace them.

Possible to make water filters using 5gal buckets. Pouring water through screening material, even coarse rock, then sand etc will scrub innert materials from dirty water.

Plain Hypochlorite Bleach will kill bacteria. 8 drops from eyedropper to gallon of water. More if the bleach has lost strength.


Good to have all sorts of plumbing supplies and gear to make repairs or alterations. Pipe dope goes bad. Probably a way to restore it once it gels, but I've never tried. I have used Superglue in place of plastic pipe cement.
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If you don't mind, I will add this thread, it has a link with some really good preparedness/survival info

Thread: 55 Survival Downloads and Handbooks – Pioneering, SHTF, Engineering, Urban Gardening, Defense, and More
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great to see you Lester! I will definitely come back to this thread tonight to read and contribute, reminds me of the good old days, back when we actually had time to prepare



thanks for posting Lester!! Malu
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Good stuff, btw
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Hi Malu!

Those threads are still in the archives. Who knew it could get worse without falling apart?

I have this Yamanha 2000is generator I bought used that needs a headgasket. Got the gasket, but have other gensets and all this one does is weep a little oil. Not a big deal. So need to install the gasket but am lazy...

Am trying to get around to loading some cast bullets I made back in March. Not really doing much shooting these days.

I am NOT convinced that have to practice practice practice like most of these "trainers/training believers" say. I am no longer interested in shooting tiny groups unless can do it offhand with a sling.

I still buy older vehicles so can work on them and have minimal issues.

Have been intending to convert an arc welder to tig. Almost bought a tig unit but spendy and don't weld much anyway...

Still in MI?


I guess we'll eventually get around to guns and all things related. still don't have an AK or 9mm. Not all that many new guns in past 10yrs. Did buy a .375 guide gun and think it is about the best thing going for where I live... Casting is a lot of fun.

maybe we'll do another Survival Guns thread. I still enjoy reading Mel Tappan's thoughts, and Jeff Cooper. Probably about due to reread Lucifers Hammer.

Not many of the old crowd around anymore. Omega dead. Duncan Kunz long gone. Who else am I forgetting? I been here since Dec 2003. Where does the time go?
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A preface to the topic of Survival Guns....


Rifles, handguns, shotguns that serve as tools for specific tasks likely to be required during and in aftermath of a societal collapse or institution of social chaos and disorder.

Eternal homage to Mel Tappan for all his efforts in pioneering the concept and purposes in his books Survival Guns and Tappan On Survival.


My observations:

The .22lr is no longer a super efficient tool for most small firearm chores. A 1000fps .177 pellet rifle does fill most of the gap. For small game hunting the .223rem loaded to mild velocity costs about the same as .22lr ammunition (*IF you handload)... the .22lr handgun though remains a very useful tool.

Survival Guns are chosen not only for singular purpose. While you might own 16 different firearms, each chambered for different ammunition, There is rarely any significant gain in going this route.

There are Defensive Weapons and Sporting Firearms.

Velocity and special construct bullets Do NOT overcome the versatility of larger bullet diameter and greater weight.

The Primary Bullet Diameters, "calibers" if you will, for centerfire rifles are: .224, .308, .338 and .375. For centerfire Handguns: .357, .429, .452

Ammunition for Defensive Rifles: .223/5.56, .308/7.62
For Defensive Pistols: 10mm Auto, .45acp


The final observation is that a 1:8 twist bolt rifle chambered in .223rem can make a fine longrange tactical weapon. It's all about the ammunition. The .223 with 77gr bthp match ammunition at 2700fps has more energy delivered at 500yds than a factory, full-power .357mag 158gr at 25yds. The .223rem when loaded with 90gr vld match bullets has delivered 20rd grps at 1000yds on consistent basis with 2-3" vertical spread.

The AR-15 with 20" barrel, rifle length gas system and scope with 77gr match ammo is exceptionally capable of taking game and destroying an enemy.

For more versatility, a .30cal rifle like AR-10 in .308win or M-1a if you like the garand action will serve just fine. The AR-10 is the more versatile weapon.

For Centerfire hunting purposes, a .308win with Barnes, Nosler Partition, or other premium bullet will serve even for elk. A 180gr premium bullet, like Speer Grand Slam will function fine in an AR-10 or M-1a.

For centerfire revolvers, the .357mag can team with a .35 Whelen, or other .35cal rifle. The .35 Whelen or .358win is necked up from .30-06 and .308win.

You want versatility and commonality of ammunition componentes where it is possible. For example, The .45acp shares same bullet diameter as the .454 Casull. The .44magnum and .444Marlin use same bullet diameter.

Much more about how cartridge selection can be optimized and greater efficiency achieved through handloading.


There will also be discussion about gunsmithing modifications and repairs, also scopes and iron sights and effective ballistic range.
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Thanks Lester, I always liked your survival posts and your writing style.
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Hi Malu!

Those threads are still in the archives. Who knew it could get worse without falling apart?

I have this Yamanha 2000is generator I bought used that needs a headgasket. Got the gasket, but have other gensets and all this one does is weep a little oil. Not a big deal. So need to install the gasket but am lazy...

Am trying to get around to loading some cast bullets I made back in March. Not really doing much shooting these days.

I am NOT convinced that have to practice practice practice like most of these "trainers/training believers" say. I am no longer interested in shooting tiny groups unless can do it offhand with a sling.

I still buy older vehicles so can work on them and have minimal issues.

Have been intending to convert an arc welder to tig. Almost bought a tig unit but spendy and don't weld much anyway...

Still in MI?


I guess we'll eventually get around to guns and all things related. still don't have an AK or 9mm. Not all that many new guns in past 10yrs. Did buy a .375 guide gun and think it is about the best thing going for where I live... Casting is a lot of fun.

maybe we'll do another Survival Guns thread. I still enjoy reading Mel Tappan's thoughts, and Jeff Cooper. Probably about due to reread Lucifers Hammer.

Not many of the old crowd around anymore. Omega dead. Duncan Kunz long gone. Who else am I forgetting? I been here since Dec 2003. Where does the time go?
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it flies, my daughter is 20 already, she was 6 when i started coming to glp. still living in michigan, my family has lived in this city for 150 years, not many americans can say that. a big part of survival is having connections to get things, i have that here. surrounded by farms , forest, lots of rivers and lakes. my best chance of survival is here

something i don't think we have talked about much is the fact that if you look at every major conflict in the world, the people [refugees] become nomadic. even during our civil war. those that could get out and survive on the move had the best chance to stay alive
although i intend to "bug in" as long as possible, i realize i need the ability to "get out of dodge" and am working on both a vehicle to do that and a place to go to.


love to hear your thoughts on that situation, i am looking for a diesel truck, off road capable camper, and the usual list of survival necessities
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I think too many people get caught up in the "excitement" of going on a 'justified' shopping spree for survival related gear and brand names.

Bottom line is that people have fed themselves with flintlocks and and every frankenstein muzzle loader ever made and ancient .410 shotguns and .22 shorts and whatever they could get their grubby hands on and made do because they had the WILLPOWER to survive. Got an old single shot 16 gauge and a few dozen blackpowder birdshot rounds? Guess you will make up some 'cut shells' and bait some deer to your blind and nail them from 20 yards. Got an old bolt action .22 and a pocket full of scabby looking .22 shorts? Looks like we will be eating rabbits and seagulls tonite.
Found some old electrical wiring? Looks like we can make a few dozen snares of various sizes and get some small game. Found some stout fencing wire? Wowee... now we can snare deer and save some of those precious rounds of ammo.
The point is that the old timers used whatever guns or traps or snares they could come up with and make do and survive.
You do not NEED $2000 rifles with $1500 scopes.
You NEED a couple .22 rimfire rifles ( one for redundancy and for the wife back at the cabin ). A centerfire rifle with iron sights that can drop deer or moose at a 100 yards is a great bonus.
Doesnt matter the brand or caliber. Something fairly common is best.
As a shtf forest dweller with a little cabin you will always have one foot out the door as a refugee for the 'duration'. Battles flare up. Disease spreads. Forest fires happen. Starving hordes wander. Gangs patrol.
You NEED minimal gear to survive. A few generations ago our people built a country with guns with ballistics we would laugh at today. We think a .410 slug is garbage. Guess what bucko- my great great granddaddy wouldve traded his left nut for a gun that worked reliable in snow and rain and had whopping velocity like a .410 slug. I am sure he struggled relentlessly with a .45 cal muzzleloader and much game walked away as the hammer fell and nothing happened or that round ball missed by a few inches as velocity plummeted by the yard. Back then a single missed animal meant your kids went hungry- literally because you missed a shot or your gun went click instead of bang.
Someone today with an AR-15 and a few hundred rounds is leagues above what our ancestors had. Buy some inexpensive spare parts and it will run for five lifetimes. Up north in Canada, .223 is a big game round for the natives. Elk, caribou and bears all fall to it. None of those guys debate bullet shapes or weights or brands. They just use whats cheap and available and use tactics to make the best of it. .22 magnum is popular as well. Same reasons. Ive seen natives use .22 long rifle on deer like its no big deal. No debates on 6.5mm versus .300 blackout versus 6.8mm versus etc etc etc. Thats garbage talk. Thats first world hobbyist talk.
Get yourself some basic guns and get good with them and get a few cases of ammo then move on to other things to prep.
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In a Collapse, you're looking at having many needs that will no longer be fulfilled due to many factors.

If you learn to be self-sufficient, probably not going to be AS Affected by withdrawal of most socially organized business activities.

Not everything can be fixed or repairded. Not everything can hand made or crafted.


Yet, what you can learn to do for yourself Enables you...

That is what matters, what you KNOW and Can Do!
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Re: I just bought 50 20lb bags of long grain rice for when the SHTF!



Pertinent Here: Following the News? You are being given all the warning you could ever expect! Time to be in your state of readiness...

Below my remarks to above thread & HOW TO DO YOUR OWN LONG TERM STORAGE USING NEW 5GAL PAINT BUCKETS AND DRY ICE C0-2 BRICKS YOU CAN GET AT YOUR GROCERY STORE...
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I remarked on a thread that is in the archives about 2010, that I had just opened a 5gal bucket of ORGANIC Brown Rice which had packed with CO-2 chips in 1995/6.

14yrs old and the rice was EXCELLENT!


So.... I've got bags of Lundberg brown rice bought at Costco and kept in their poly bags in a Rubbermaid Tote about 6yrs ago or more, and that stuff is fine... Of course, doesn't get much above 70f in my garage anytime of the year.

I have lost rolled oats to mold, but should have run it through the Excalibur to reduce the moisture and also used CO-2 chips. Most all dried beans, legumes, grains are good in basic storage. We would do about 12 5gal buckets per CO-2 brick. Each bucket will hold about 35lbs, except oats which go about 25lbs per.

You break the CO-2 brick into fingernail size chips and put 8 0r 9 chips in at each 1/4 bucket layer. The gas sinks as the chips gassify. You cover the bucket with the lid loosely and about an hour later, you hammer down the gasket lid to seal the gas in with your food.

Works...

Clean the new paint buckets with mild bleach water mix and wipe dry w/paper towels. Just wiping dust etc out and getting all moisture out.


14yrs with about 7yrs in hot climate. Brown Rice, tasted fine looked perfect, and you get the nutrition from the husk.


Brown Rice is a Super-Food. Super nutrition. Makes Complete Protein with most beans. Seems like Pinto beans don't combine, but all the others are fine.

Complete Protein.... don't need fish, eggs, or meat if you have Brown Rice and beans.



White rice Has NO Nutritional Value!

Might as well eat a box of Corn Starch, or white flour, the non-enriched sort.


Food is CRITICAL in Survival situation. Need to FEED Your Body and get vitamins and minerals. You don't get minerals from water, even "mineral" water...

Grow sprouts in your kitchen. Mung beans, Alfalfa any cheap seeds; Grow Wheatgrass and juice it. Don't take much wheatgrass juice to give your system a nice jolt in nutrition and vitamins.


If you eat shit food, you're gonna weaken your immune system and get sick.





GLP