Both had someone who fronted the money or gave them their start call them or him their silent partner, both with the Popes. Their stories are so alike except of one thing, one used the gold and copper and was a speculator of copper and silver. He also helped working people buy homes at a discount. He came from them so he understood the working man.

I would say their is a group of those pirates who steal money and need it used the right way to use it again. Doing the laundry of money back then. They did it here in the US and in England the pirates joined the side they wanted to support and got pardons and kept their money so, they put it to use making more. Barons of Wall STREET BANKS.