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Anonymous Coward User ID: 56699980 United States 06/05/2017 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The one key doctrine Quoting: Anonymous Coward 210194 In 2 John verse 9 he mentions a doctrine that is so important that it establishes an essential difference between those who do and those who do not HAVE God. The matter is so important that in verse 10 those who do not have this one doctrine are not even to be allowed into one's own home. What is this doctrine? 2 John verses 9-11 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds. The doctrine of Christ The doctrine of Christ, who Jesus is, by the bible's own testimony is the most important doctrine the Christian can possess. Who is this Christ that died on the cross for the sins of mankind? Was he a created being, created by God the Father only to be killed because of his rebellious creation? If this is who Jesus really is then anyone could have died for man's sins. It could have been any angel, any man, or it could even have been you or I. Jesus' earthly dad is no one. Jesus' dad is the Father God. But it's only for the sake of identity. Jesus' is his Father, he went into the virgin Mary and came out. God went in and God came out. Everything he did was as an example for HIS children, those who would listen and receive and believe and obey. The Lord Jesus bless you. Jesus states over 180 times of His relationship to the Father, that He is the Son. Yet you people IGNORE what Jesus said, basically calling Jesus a LIAR. John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus states several time He only does the Father's Will...here's just one. John 5:19 (KJV) Then answered Jesus and said unto them,Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. Other translations of 5:19... [link to www.biblestudytools.com] Several other noteworthy verses... John 4:34 (KJV) Jesus saith unto them,My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. John 5:30 (KJV) I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. John 6:38 (KJV) For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:40 (KJV) For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. John 8:28 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. John 8:42 (KJV) Jesus said unto them,If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:49 (KJV) Jesus answered,I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. John 10:15 (KJV) As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 12:49 (KJV) For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. John 14:28 (KJV) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:31 (KJV) But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. John 16:28 (KJV) I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. Matthew 16:16-17 (KJV) 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 26:39 (KJV) And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying,O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. ALL of John 17...which is Jesus praying to the Father 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said,Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. 13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth. 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. God Jehovah is the Father. Jesus was sent by the Father and allowed Himself to be crucified per the Father's Will. He does nothing BUT the Father's Will. That is why He said "the Father and I are one". IF Jesus WAS God there would be no reason for Him to pray to the Father or even mention Him at least 181 times in the NT [link to mondaymorningreview.wordpress.com (secure)] 10 Reasons why Jesus is not God! [link to www.answering-christianity.com] Did Jesus say "pray to me"..."worship me"?? No, ALL of His prayers were to the "Father / He who sent me". He started the Lord's Prayer with "Our Father..." Jesus prayed to the Father and also taught all who Believe to pray to the Father via the Lord's Prayer. Jesus does ONLY the Father's Will. IF Jesus WAS God there would be no reason for Him to create the Lord's Prayer, which starts out... Matthew 6 9 In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. 13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. 14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Concerning the End Times, Jesus said "only the Father knows". IF Jesus was God, He wouldn't have said... Matthew 24:36 (ASV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only. All of this arguing about definitions, titles, names etc...is just distractions away from necessary true belief. The Holy Spirit is either sent by Jehovah Himself or at Jesus' request. It too does NOTHING but the Father's Will. I don't understand why so many can't grasp this. 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Grundig User ID: 73228121 United States 06/05/2017 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great post OP! God says: "This is what Jehovah says, The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies: ‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me." Isaiah 44:6 Jesus says: “‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." Revelation 22:12-13 ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70425693 United States 06/05/2017 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest of all when Jesus referred to it saying God is greater than all. How can we determine that? Simple, Jesus said ALL SINS shall be forgiven men, even if they sin against the Son, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven at all ever - assured destruction. So the Father soul is in Jesus which is the Holy Ghost and the Father Spirit is in Jesus in his soul. When he prayed to the Father he prayed to the power in him that sustains all things. Jesus said the Father is IN him, but also he was IN the Father. We know that for the sake of understanding the mystery of the triune nature of God we must reason with 3 parts of God that are all equal to each other and although they may extend and manifest unto and in many people at once, that they 3 originate and are 1 in Christ Jesus. Otherwise we could easily argue with God asking how he is 1 God if his Holy Spirit is in multiple people at once - that obviously seems like polytheism. Yet if any Christian and Jehovah's Witness can ignore that, or understand it and explain it without God being a polytheos, then the Son, being God, MUST BE God the Father. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. That means when Jesus' accusers said he was a liar, sinner, blasphemer, evil, wrong for making himself equal to God, wrong for making himself God, those were lies, even blasphemous. Jesus was without sin, so when he made himself the great I AM, and he took glory from the Father, it was not pride because he was the firstborn image of the invisible Godhead bodily after which all other things were created and came into existence. The Holy Spirit therefore is God in the purest sense, unsensable, pure power, and Jesus is God in the purest material manifest sense, sensable, pure power. Amen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75033064 Canada 06/05/2017 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest of all when Jesus referred to it saying God is greater than all. How can we determine that? Simple, Jesus said ALL SINS shall be forgiven men, even if they sin against the Son, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven at all ever - assured destruction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70425693 So the Father soul is in Jesus which is the Holy Ghost and the Father Spirit is in Jesus in his soul. When he prayed to the Father he prayed to the power in him that sustains all things. Jesus said the Father is IN him, but also he was IN the Father. We know that for the sake of understanding the mystery of the triune nature of God we must reason with 3 parts of God that are all equal to each other and although they may extend and manifest unto and in many people at once, that they 3 originate and are 1 in Christ Jesus. Otherwise we could easily argue with God asking how he is 1 God if his Holy Spirit is in multiple people at once - that obviously seems like polytheism. Yet if any Christian and Jehovah's Witness can ignore that, or understand it and explain it without God being a polytheos, then the Son, being God, MUST BE God the Father. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. That means when Jesus' accusers said he was a liar, sinner, blasphemer, evil, wrong for making himself equal to God, wrong for making himself God, those were lies, even blasphemous. Jesus was without sin, so when he made himself the great I AM, and he took glory from the Father, it was not pride because he was the firstborn image of the invisible Godhead bodily after which all other things were created and came into existence. The Holy Spirit therefore is God in the purest sense, unsensable, pure power, and Jesus is God in the purest material manifest sense, sensable, pure power. Amen. interesting but jw-s told me jesus is not god jehova is god jesus' daddy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70425693 United States 06/06/2017 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest of all when Jesus referred to it saying God is greater than all. How can we determine that? Simple, Jesus said ALL SINS shall be forgiven men, even if they sin against the Son, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven at all ever - assured destruction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70425693 So the Father soul is in Jesus which is the Holy Ghost and the Father Spirit is in Jesus in his soul. When he prayed to the Father he prayed to the power in him that sustains all things. Jesus said the Father is IN him, but also he was IN the Father. We know that for the sake of understanding the mystery of the triune nature of God we must reason with 3 parts of God that are all equal to each other and although they may extend and manifest unto and in many people at once, that they 3 originate and are 1 in Christ Jesus. Otherwise we could easily argue with God asking how he is 1 God if his Holy Spirit is in multiple people at once - that obviously seems like polytheism. Yet if any Christian and Jehovah's Witness can ignore that, or understand it and explain it without God being a polytheos, then the Son, being God, MUST BE God the Father. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. That means when Jesus' accusers said he was a liar, sinner, blasphemer, evil, wrong for making himself equal to God, wrong for making himself God, those were lies, even blasphemous. Jesus was without sin, so when he made himself the great I AM, and he took glory from the Father, it was not pride because he was the firstborn image of the invisible Godhead bodily after which all other things were created and came into existence. The Holy Spirit therefore is God in the purest sense, unsensable, pure power, and Jesus is God in the purest material manifest sense, sensable, pure power. Amen. interesting but jw-s told me jesus is not god jehova is god jesus' daddy Not sure how anyone can see the evidence in the OP and deny Jesus is God unless they are under heavy delusion brought on by their own love for sin, or there is simply no room for God in their heart. Every soul who does not know who the Father God is in a personal and intimate way does not and cannot have any peace in their life. Peace only comes from knowing and worshipping God in the truth of his indwelling Spirit. A father who has a son is a father and a son. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62295128 United States 06/07/2017 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest of all when Jesus referred to it saying God is greater than all. How can we determine that? Simple, Jesus said ALL SINS shall be forgiven men, even if they sin against the Son, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven at all ever - assured destruction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70425693 So the Father soul is in Jesus which is the Holy Ghost and the Father Spirit is in Jesus in his soul. When he prayed to the Father he prayed to the power in him that sustains all things. Jesus said the Father is IN him, but also he was IN the Father. We know that for the sake of understanding the mystery of the triune nature of God we must reason with 3 parts of God that are all equal to each other and although they may extend and manifest unto and in many people at once, that they 3 originate and are 1 in Christ Jesus. Otherwise we could easily argue with God asking how he is 1 God if his Holy Spirit is in multiple people at once - that obviously seems like polytheism. Yet if any Christian and Jehovah's Witness can ignore that, or understand it and explain it without God being a polytheos, then the Son, being God, MUST BE God the Father. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. That means when Jesus' accusers said he was a liar, sinner, blasphemer, evil, wrong for making himself equal to God, wrong for making himself God, those were lies, even blasphemous. Jesus was without sin, so when he made himself the great I AM, and he took glory from the Father, it was not pride because he was the firstborn image of the invisible Godhead bodily after which all other things were created and came into existence. The Holy Spirit therefore is God in the purest sense, unsensable, pure power, and Jesus is God in the purest material manifest sense, sensable, pure power. Amen. It was bad enough with the thread of Jesus = God = Archangel Michael...but you are saying that the Holy Spirit is God Himself? The Holy Spirit is either sent by Jehovah Himself or at Jesus' request. Just like Jesus, it too does NOTHING but the Father's Will. It's apparent that the Holy Spirit only goes where the Father sends it, as Jesus states that He will "ask the Father to send them a Comforter". John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62295128 United States 06/07/2017 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure how anyone can see the evidence in the OP and deny Jesus is God unless they are under heavy delusion brought on by their own love for sin, or there is simply no room for God in their heart. Every soul who does not know who the Father God is in a personal and intimate way does not and cannot have any peace in their life. Peace only comes from knowing and worshipping God in the truth of his indwelling Spirit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70425693 A father who has a son is a father and a son. Jesus makes it CLEAR in scriptures MANY times in this post up above [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59541024 United States 06/07/2017 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God the Father is the Holy Spirit. It is the greatest of all when Jesus referred to it saying God is greater than all. How can we determine that? Simple, Jesus said ALL SINS shall be forgiven men, even if they sin against the Son, but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven at all ever - assured destruction. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70425693 So the Father soul is in Jesus which is the Holy Ghost and the Father Spirit is in Jesus in his soul. When he prayed to the Father he prayed to the power in him that sustains all things. Jesus said the Father is IN him, but also he was IN the Father. We know that for the sake of understanding the mystery of the triune nature of God we must reason with 3 parts of God that are all equal to each other and although they may extend and manifest unto and in many people at once, that they 3 originate and are 1 in Christ Jesus. Otherwise we could easily argue with God asking how he is 1 God if his Holy Spirit is in multiple people at once - that obviously seems like polytheism. Yet if any Christian and Jehovah's Witness can ignore that, or understand it and explain it without God being a polytheos, then the Son, being God, MUST BE God the Father. The bible says let God be true and every man a liar. That means when Jesus' accusers said he was a liar, sinner, blasphemer, evil, wrong for making himself equal to God, wrong for making himself God, those were lies, even blasphemous. Jesus was without sin, so when he made himself the great I AM, and he took glory from the Father, it was not pride because he was the firstborn image of the invisible Godhead bodily after which all other things were created and came into existence. The Holy Spirit therefore is God in the purest sense, unsensable, pure power, and Jesus is God in the purest material manifest sense, sensable, pure power. Amen. It was bad enough with the thread of Jesus = God = Archangel Michael...but you are saying that the Holy Spirit is God Himself? The Holy Spirit is either sent by Jehovah Himself or at Jesus' request. Just like Jesus, it too does NOTHING but the Father's Will. It's apparent that the Holy Spirit only goes where the Father sends it, as Jesus states that He will "ask the Father to send them a Comforter". John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. It's apparent that you don't understand that before anything was made was the Spirit and pure essence that is the power of God. And that which is made comes from that which is unmade, so the Spirit is greater than the soul and body and all other things which it created. If you cannot even comprehend this very basic understanding that creation did not always exist but was created by the uncreated Creator, either don't speak or becareful what you do speak before you speak blasphemy AGAIN. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72363761 United States 06/19/2017 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one can receive the Holy Spirit without accepting Jesus as equal to the Father Quoting: Anonymous Coward 210194 Did the Father die on the cross? Yes AND No. God CANNOT die. I am speaking of the Soul and Spirit part of the trinity of the bodily God Jesus. There is a technical religious term for how things can progress, or change, as time passes on in regards to claims in verses from the bible. I don't know what it is but this is what I mean, wherein the bible it states that God is NOT a man, it does not say God CANNOT BECOME a man. When it states God cannot die, it doesn't state he cannot become a man and his fleshly part die. So technically the truthful answer is Yes AND No. It cannot be only Yes or only No because both would be inaccurate given the understanding of both scripture and Jesus' divine nature, being the Father himself. The Father died absolutely, Jesus' wasn't divinely healed from the Father without dying first, and Jesus is the Father. But the Father Spirit and Soul cannot die hence the resurrection and eternal life. The body died, the Soul and Spirit did not die. The name of the Body, and the Soul, and the Spirit, is the same Jesus. Jesus proved with his words, and he being no liar, that he cannot be killed! Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17-18 He must willfully give up the Spirit after any amount of torture. He cannot be burned to death. He cannot have his head chopped off and die. He must at his own will give up his Spirit when he decides in order for him to die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72363761 United States 06/19/2017 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus is one.... GOD He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33; 28:9) He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:1-2) He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8) He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1) He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15) He knew all things (John 21:17) He gives eternal life (John 10:28) The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9) MAN He worshiped the Father (John 17) He prayed to the Father (John 17:1) He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5). He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37) He was tempted (Matt. 4:1) He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52) He died (Rom. 5:8) He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75106434 Australia 06/19/2017 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus is one.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72363761 GOD He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2, 11; 14:33; 28:9) He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:1-2) He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8) He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1) He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15) He knew all things (John 21:17) He gives eternal life (John 10:28) The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9) MAN He worshiped the Father (John 17) He prayed to the Father (John 17:1) He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5). He was called Son of Man (John 9:35-37) He was tempted (Matt. 4:1) He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52) He died (Rom. 5:8) He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39) Read any other Harry Potter novels other than the Bible ? |