The Roman Catholic Church teach that salvation includes the Muslims.

All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory. (Isaiah 60.7)

Opposite what Jesus and the Apostles taught

That's after most of them are destroyed in the Destruction

of Babylon in Jeremiah 51 and Zechariah 14

They believe in Jesus as the Christ.

All are destroyed on earth. Some are lucky enough to be sacrifices.

yeah that's absolutely not true.


Two in the field, One shall be taken the other left. (which means Protected)

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Catholics and Muslims aren't so cozy OP.

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. (Revelation 6.11)

The "Protected":
And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. (Revelation 14.15-16)

The destroyed:
And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs. (Revelation 14.17-20)

The destroyed are angels. But earth being a reflection of heaven some men won't make it in this generation...

It is ALSO WRITTEN THAT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE in JESUS CHRIST NAME HAVE ALREADY BEEN CONDEMNED. JOHN 3:18

The rapture isn't Biblical.

God is the just judge and he will just each individual accordingly,

According to what?

Muslims believe in Jesus. The Quran speaks highly of him. They just don't believe Jesus is God.

Wrong, Robert.
Unlike the juus, muslim believe in jesus(prophet issa).
This is enough so that they are not considered heathens or heretics, therefore they don´t need to be evangelized.

A muslim will enter paradise if he commits no sins, like any catholic would.

Jesus two greatest commands are to love God and love and help people.

This is really one command, since Jesus also said if you love me, keep my command, and my command is that you love one another.

In Mathews 25:31 - 46, Jesus says those who have eternal life are those who loved and helped others.

In Isaiah, God said he won't listen to the people's prayers until they started helping those in need.

Jesus told a woman, her many sins were forgiven because she loved much, and those who love little are forgiven little.

Yes "faith" is important, but in the book of James it says "faith without works is dead".

So to answer your question "according to what", in general be loving, kind, and helpful to as many as possible, in word, thoughts, prayer, and actions.

“The truth is: Allah is One. [1] Allah is Besought of all, needing none. [2] He neither begot anyone, nor he was begotten. [3] And equal to Him has never been any one.”

Hmm well they call Him a liar. : )

The word which came unto Jeremiah from Yahweh in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of Yahweh, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink. Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites; And I brought them into the house of Yahweh, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door: And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine. But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever: Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers. Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters; Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed: But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us. But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem. Then came the word of Yahweh unto Jeremiah, saying, Thus saith Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith Yahweh. The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me. I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me. Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me: Therefore thus saith Yahweh God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.
And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you: Therefore thus saith Yahweh of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever. (Jeremiah 35)

“They say, ‘God has taken to Him a son’… Say: ‘Those who forge against God falsehood shall not prosper.’ “[2]

“Praise belongs to God [Allah], who has not taken to Him a son….”[3]

“… Warn those who say, ‘God has taken to Himself a son’”… a monstrous word it is, issuing out of their mouths; they say nothing but a lie.”[4]

“But who does greater evil than he who forges against God a lie?”[5]

“They are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, Mary’s Son.’”

So to Muslims, the Christian belief that Jesus Christ is God’s literal Son.. is blasphemy.

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The Rechabites refused to hearken unto Yahweh, even though they were offered the best seats in the temple, preferring the precepts of their father...

It's true the Quran does speak of highly of Jesus. The problem is that "committing no sin" isn't defined the same in both religions.

For example a Muslim may believe kiling infidels in Jihad is pleasing to Allah.

However many Christians would view this as a major sin.

Muhammad vs Jesus

Said Allah hates those who don't accept Islam.
(Qur'an 30:4, 3:32, 22:38)

Said God loves everyone.
(John 3:16)

"I have been commanded to fight
against people till they testify that there
is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad
is the messenger of Allah"
(Muslim 1:33)

"He who lives by the sword
will die by the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

Stoned women for adultery.
(Muslim 4206)

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
(John 8:7)

Permitted stealing from unbelievers.
(Bukhari 44:668, Ibn Ishaq 764)

"Thou shalt not steal."
(Matthew 19:18)

Permitted lying.
(Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)

"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
(Matthew 19:18)

Owned and traded slaves.
(Sahih Muslim 3901)

Neither owned nor traded slaves.

Beheaded 800 Jewish men and boys.
(Sahih Muslim 4390)

Beheaded no one.

Murdered those who insulted him.
(Bukhari 56:369, 4:241)

Preached forgiveness.
(Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38)

"If then anyone transgresses
the prohibition against you,
Transgress ye likewise against him"
(Qur'an 2:194)

"If someone strikes you on the right
cheek, turn to him the other also."
(Matthew 5:39)

Jihad in the way of Allah elevates one's position in Paradise by a hundred fold.
(Muslim 4645)

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for
they will be called Sons of God"
(Matthew 5:9)

Married 13 wives and kept sex slaves.
(Bukhari 5:268, Qur'an 33:50)

Was celibate.

Slept with a 9-year-old child.
(Sahih Muslim 3309, Bukhari 58:236)

Did not have sex with children.

Ordered the murder of women.
(Ibn Ishaq 819, 995)

Never harmed a woman.

"O you who believe! Fight those of the
unbelievers who are near to you
and let them find in you hardness."
(Qur'an 9:123)

"Blessed are the meek, for
they shall inherit the earth."
(Matthew 5:5)

Ordered 65 military campaigns
and raids in his last 10 years.
(Ibn Ishaq )

Ordered no military campaigns, nor
offered any approval of war or violence.

Killed captives taken in battle.
(Ibn Ishaq 451)

Never took captives.
Never killed anyone.

Encouraged his men to rape enslaved women.
(Abu Dawood 2150, Qur'an 4:24)

Never encouraged rape.
Never enslaved women.

Demanded captured slaves and
a fifth of all other loot taken in war.
(Qur'an 8:41)

"The Son of Man came not
to be served, but to serve."
(Matthew 20:28)

Was never tortured, but tortured others.
(Muslim 4131, Ibn Ishaq 436, 595, 734, 764)

Suffered torture, but never tortured anyone.

"And fight them until there is no more persecution and religion is only for Allah"
(Qur'an 8:39)

"Love your enemies and pray
for those who persecute you"
(Matthew 5:44)

Blessed the brutal murder of a half-blind man
(al-Tabari 1440)

Healed a blind man
(Mark 8:28)

Ordered a slave to build the very pulpit
from which he preached Islam.
(Bukhari 47:743)

Washed his disciples feet.
(John 13:5)

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause"
(Muslim 1:149)

What are the Greatest Commandments?
"Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself."
(Matthew 22:34-40)

Demanded the protection of armed bodyguards, even in a house of worship
(Qur'an 4:102)

Chastised anyone attempting
to defend him with force.
(John 18:10-12)

Died fat and wealthy from what was
taken from others in war or
demanded from others in tribute.

Demanded nothing for himself.
Died without possessions.

Advocated crucifying others.
(Qur'an 5:33, Muslim 16:4131)

Was crucified himself.

According to his followers:
Had others give their lives for him.
(Sahih Muslim 4413)

According to his followers:
Gave his life for others.
(John 18:11 and elsewhere)

They weren't Israelites either and yet, just because of their faithfulness to their own "religion", preferring it to Yahweh's Law, they were treated to Yahweh forever...

You don´t understand that we catholics don´t want to enter muslim paradise, so it is not important what they think of us. Unlike the lutheran heretics, we don´t get judged by our deeds, so even blasphemy is not a reason that we can´t enter paradise as long as we believe in jesus christ and repent.
Faith in christ is all you need.

James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Jesus Himself warned all men: “…if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins” (John 8:24).

The Koran declares: “They are unbelievers who say, ‘God is the Messiah, Mary’s Son.’” and “Praise belongs to God [Allah], who has not taken to Him a son….”[3]

So according to Jesus Himself can Muslims be saved?

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You have not the slightest clue about the catholic faith.

Faith alone is a protestant concept, not a catholic.

James 2:17:

"Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

I wonder if the RCC will ever get one fact right about God. The RCC and Muslims and all other Gentiles will be saved. The vast majority of Gentiles will need to wait for the Great White Throne before salvation comes knocking. That certainly means the RCC Clergy would be missing the 1,000 year reign and no other group deserves it more than they do.

Salvation of mankind is based on universal salvation and when the New Earth opens up all other flesh that has lived on this planet will also experience salvation. T-Rex are a limited supply item so don't ponder it too long.

The Trinity.

Really?? Nope they got that wrong too and so did a lot of others. Think like a Lawyer when you read this verse. God=Father, Holy Spirit=Mother, Christ=Son.

1Co:15:27:
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.

God and the Holy Spirit were the ones talking in Ge:1. Man was made in the image and likeness of 'them'. They were created as a married couple. Christ is their son and His witness of creation in below. Terms like 'possessed' and 'His earth' point to two individuals.

Ge:1:26:
And God said,
Let us make man in our image,
after our likeness:
and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air,
and over the cattle,
and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge:1:27:
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

Proverb:8:22-36:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting,
from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths,
I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth,
nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens,
I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him,
as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.
Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear instruction,
and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.


God, the Holy Spirit and their Son, Christ all come from the place holy Angels will call home after the fallen angels are in the fiery lake. Those 3 are the only ones that have ever been there, that is where they were when the heaven and earth from Ge:1:1 were created.

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

1Jo:5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

Specifically the 3rd heaven. Perhaps their biggest crime is trying to deny the Beloved Disciple wrote the Gospel of John and Revelations. The Beloved Disciple is Mary of Bethany, a Disciple of John the Baptist so for about 1900 years they have banned women from being Priests when a woman almost wrote more Scripture that the Chief Apostle. Obviously they have no shame.