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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.

 
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
Instead of just reflexively opposing a Basic Income in the US, the Republicans should actually look at the advantages.

If the new Basic Income Law is passed so that it completely REPLACES welfare payments, food stamps, Social Security payments, disability payments, and ALL other government payments, the savings in paper shuffling and bureaucracy alone would pay for the new program.

Also, by writing the new law to apply to "US Citizens ONLY," it would eliminate Billions of dollars in payments to illegals in all of those replaced programs.

A Basic Income would also increase the buying power for retailers, etc. This idea makes perfect sense from both a liberal and conservative perspective.
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May as well eliminate taxes. End the Fed. Create new debt-free currency issuable by the govt as needed.

I'm sure it will magically all work out.

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May as well eliminate taxes. End the Fed. Create new debt-free currency issuable by the govt as needed.

I'm sure it will magically all work out.

/sarc ?
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Not all feasible but REPLACING all of those outdated and bloated programs with a new, streamlined one makes perfect sense from almost every angle.
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
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Go away commie ...
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Giving people something they didn't earn is always a horrible idea. Look at public housing. People have no sense of responsibility to take care of things they didn't earn. Heck even the shared laboratory in my department is the filthiest place on the floor. Even highly knowledgeable and responsible people refuse to maintain public areas as if they were their own.

If you give people money for not working, then they will never work again.
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That is the stupidest idea I've heard in my life. So, why work? Why should I or anyone bust their ass at work and pay taxes to pay some lazy assholes money they didn't earn? Where is any incentive to invent anything or work overtime or pay taxes or anything? You are a fucking socialist dreaming of some utopia where everything is free. Grow up.
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
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You're getting hung up on semantics. It isn't laundering, it's reallocating. The us government does it all the time.
Cant argue with your productivity point, but what do you suggest happens when automation occurs? In 10 years fast food restaurants will be completely roboticized. Physical retail is going the wayside of online retail. Soon, the bottom end of the economy will go belly up. What do we do then, condemn the working class to a fate worse than the gradually eroded middle class? Will we all be forced to move to other continents? Will the top class move exclusively to exports?
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Re: "Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
Instead of just reflexively opposing a Basic Income in the US, the Republicans should actually look at the advantages.

If the new Basic Income Law is passed so that it completely REPLACES welfare payments, food stamps, Social Security payments, disability payments, and ALL other government payments, the savings in paper shuffling and bureaucracy alone would pay for the new program.

Also, by writing the new law to apply to "US Citizens ONLY," it would eliminate Billions of dollars in payments to illegals in all of those replaced programs.

A Basic Income would also increase the buying power for retailers, etc. This idea makes perfect sense from both a liberal and conservative perspective.
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So where's the Bill? It's up to the people to influence their representatives to submit a Bill for consideration into law.

What are you waiting for? Are you not part of the people?
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
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You're getting hung up on semantics. It isn't laundering, it's reallocating. The us government does it all the time.
Cant argue with your productivity point, but what do you suggest happens when automation occurs? In 10 years fast food restaurants will be completely roboticized. Physical retail is going the wayside of online retail. Soon, the bottom end of the economy will go belly up. What do we do then, condemn the working class to a fate worse than the gradually eroded middle class? Will we all be forced to move to other continents? Will the top class move exclusively to exports?
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Semantics get me all the time. The laundering comment was more flippant, not completely serious.

You bring up a good point about automation & retail sectors, but it's the same point that's been made since the Industrial revolution began.

It seems to me that there's a simpler balance of supply and demand that defies all of this. Horses became useless when the Auto went mainstream, but they didn't, did they? Henry Ford was going to eliminate the factory worker, but it didn't end up to be true.

We seem to always find a way to service other humans that need shit, you know?
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Giving people something they didn't earn is always a horrible idea. Look at public housing. People have no sense of responsibility to take care of things they didn't earn. Heck even the shared laboratory in my department is the filthiest place on the floor. Even highly knowledgeable and responsible people refuse to maintain public areas as if they were their own.

If you give people money for not working, then they will never work again.
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Like every corporate ceo and all members of our government?
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It could never work idiot.
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It would cost 1.5 trillion per year to give every adult in America $500 per month... not even enough to live on.

In order to do that without borrowing money, we would have to raise the taxes of every working age American by $1000 per month... I guess that would be a net $500 per month.

Do you have $500 per month lying around? I guess just borrow more from our enemies then?

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Giving people something they didn't earn is always a horrible idea. Look at public housing. People have no sense of responsibility to take care of things they didn't earn. Heck even the shared laboratory in my department is the filthiest place on the floor. Even highly knowledgeable and responsible people refuse to maintain public areas as if they were their own.

If you give people money for not working, then they will never work again.
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Tom cruise and these other Hollywood phonies do not deserve millions of dollars to be in a movie.

Meanwhile hardworking Americans are killing themselves in labor jobs only to make just enough to survive.

The wealth gap is too large and it's one if the major reasons our country is in such bad shape.

Let the Hollywood actors and sports pros get paid minimum wage see how they start complaining.
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That is the stupidest idea I've heard in my life. So, why work? Why should I or anyone bust their ass at work and pay taxes to pay some lazy assholes money they didn't earn? Where is any incentive to invent anything or work overtime or pay taxes or anything? You are a fucking socialist dreaming of some utopia where everything is free. Grow up.
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It doesn't have to be 100 percent socialism. Capitalism with a safety net. Hell we already have implemented socialist policies in the way of corporate subsidies.

If people aren't spending, the economy hits a plateau and then eventually degrades. UBI would allow people a small amount of money to aid with food and shelter allocation. Free up those resources, and people will be happier and more productive.

Of course, instead of UBI, we could tax the automated and put it back into welfare. But then were back to square one. UBI is the future short of national gentrification.
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It could never work idiot.
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If you took away a large portion of money the rich are hoarding, then yes it could.
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Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.
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It could never work idiot.
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If you took away a large portion of money the rich are hoarding, then yes it could.
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Hoarding. Either you believe in private property or you don't. After that you're just arguing details.
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It would cost 1.5 trillion per year to give every adult in America $500 per month... not even enough to live on.

In order to do that without borrowing money, we would have to raise the taxes of every working age American by $1000 per month... I guess that would be a net $500 per month.

Do you have $500 per month lying around? I guess just borrow more from our enemies then?

1dunno1
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I couldn't live off $500 a month, but that extra income would be enough that I could retire TODAY. Thanks for your hard work supporting me!
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"Universal Basic Income" is for lazy people that dont want to work.
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Giving people something they didn't earn is always a horrible idea. Look at public housing. People have no sense of responsibility to take care of things they didn't earn. Heck even the shared laboratory in my department is the filthiest place on the floor. Even highly knowledgeable and responsible people refuse to maintain public areas as if they were their own.

If you give people money for not working, then they will never work again.
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Tom cruise and these other Hollywood phonies do not deserve millions of dollars to be in a movie.

Meanwhile hardworking Americans are killing themselves in labor jobs only to make just enough to survive.

The wealth gap is too large and it's one if the major reasons our country is in such bad shape.

Let the Hollywood actors and sports pros get paid minimum wage see how they start complaining.
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No Hollywood actor or sports star gets their income at the point of a gun, whereas every person making minimum wage gets their money at gunpoint.
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But then again, there's that socialist disaster that just happened in Venezuela.

But that was because the elected leaders placed themselves above the economy and laundered the taxes into their own wallets. In that case, it becomes and issue of human morality rather than economic theory.

Lots of good arguments on both sides.
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It would cost 1.5 trillion per year to give every adult in America $500 per month... not even enough to live on.

In order to do that without borrowing money, we would have to raise the taxes of every working age American by $1000 per month... I guess that would be a net $500 per month.

Do you have $500 per month lying around? I guess just borrow more from our enemies then?

1dunno1
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There are many other alternatives.

For example, there is a lot of empty land in this country. Why not start giving plots to families and letting them live how they want?

That would be free, it would be up to the families to hunt, grow food, and survive.

But that isn't even an option.

Instead they want the poor on food stamps so they can go get full off poisonous fake food.
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Tom cruise and these other Hollywood phonies do not deserve millions of dollars to be in a movie.

Meanwhile hardworking Americans are killing themselves in labor jobs only to make just enough to survive.

The wealth gap is too large and it's one if the major reasons our country is in such bad shape.

Let the Hollywood actors and sports pros get paid minimum wage see how they start complaining.
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If you took the GROSS yearly box office revenues of all of American cinema, it would pay for a universal income for every adult in the US of a whopping $42 per year.

So, who are we going to rob next?


hmm
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They would only give back all the money they stole from me in taxes

I welcome it

Don't care for you working tards
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It could never work idiot.
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If you took away a large portion of money the rich are hoarding, then yes it could.
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Hoarding. Either you believe in private property or you don't. After that you're just arguing details.
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And the majority of this private property is a result of inheritance, the lazy bums spoiled rich kids who are living off their parents hard work.
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It would cost 1.5 trillion per year to give every adult in America $500 per month... not even enough to live on.

In order to do that without borrowing money, we would have to raise the taxes of every working age American by $1000 per month... I guess that would be a net $500 per month.

Do you have $500 per month lying around? I guess just borrow more from our enemies then?

1dunno1
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I couldn't live off $500 a month, but that extra income would be enough that I could retire TODAY. Thanks for your hard work supporting me!
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So, you could retire today... because you have assets such as a 401k or a paid off home? Would you have been able to acquire those things if you had been paying $500 more per month in taxes your whole life?
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
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END ALL of the other bloated government payout programs. Social Security (which is going bankrupt anyway), welfare, food stamps, disability and any other government payouts.

Make it clear that the new program and law is ONLY for "US CITIZENS."
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Tom cruise and these other Hollywood phonies do not deserve millions of dollars to be in a movie.

Meanwhile hardworking Americans are killing themselves in labor jobs only to make just enough to survive.

The wealth gap is too large and it's one if the major reasons our country is in such bad shape.

Let the Hollywood actors and sports pros get paid minimum wage see how they start complaining.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74958647


If you took the GROSS yearly box office revenues of all of American cinema, it would pay for a universal income for every adult in the US of a whopping $42 per year.

So, who are we going to rob next?


hmm
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Where you getting these numbers from? Also please include all forms of entertainment, such as pro sports and TV shows.
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
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END ALL of the other bloated government payout programs. Social Security (which is going bankrupt anyway), welfare, food stamps, disability and any other government payouts.

Make it clear that the new program and law is ONLY for "US CITIZENS."
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I am perfectly fine with ending social security. Just give me back all the money I paid into it over the past 30 years and we can call it square.
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"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.
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No it doesn't.

You're trying to shift what are already far too many federal dollars in welfare entitlements to another entitlement, ostensibly disguised as 'entitlement for all', which is the OPPOSITE of entitlement.

*This* conservative mind would prefer elimination of 85% of those dollars and a working, productive population.

Math? Shuffling money around like that isn't math, it's closer to laundering. lol.
 Quoting: Fret Wiz


END ALL of the other bloated government payout programs. Social Security (which is going bankrupt anyway), welfare, food stamps, disability and any other government payouts.

Make it clear that the new program and law is ONLY for "US CITIZENS."
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I would say only for families with children and the elderly.

Also you have to have some sort of job. Singles in their 20s who sit around all day should not get it.