"Universal Basic Income" makes sense even for Republicans IF they actually do the math.

If you give everyone $50k, that's the same as giving everyone $0, $10k, or $100 million. Do you people really have no idea how scarcity works? What will happen is, in order to keep the UBI of any worth, govt will have to implement price controls, which removes business incentive, which decreases productivity, which eventually turns the country into another starving communist shit hole. UBI is dumb as rocks. Complete idiocy. The only people who support UBI are elites who want to use it to control people, and sheep who lay down for elites, i.e. every communist shit hole ever.

You know why people never learn from history? Arrogance and pride. Every generation with their head in the clouds think they can achieve some utopia or "peace on earth" with self-righteous idealism. They all ignore history because they think they are better and will get it right. But they can never get it right because it is against the nature of man. They are blinded by idealism and cannot face the practical realities of greed, scarcity, corruption, etc... In truth it is all driven by the most base vice of envy. They dress up their envy with some flowery language of idealism and humanism, but a piece of shit with frosting on it is still a piece of shit!

The new generation of hippies think they can solve scarcity and envy with their AI, robots, and socialism/communism, but the higher their arrogance soars, the harder they will fall, like all their hippie ancestors. Anything that can go wrong will go wrong!

Always plan for doom, not for utopia.

Are you talking about making America a communist country? You're nuts.

Communism has failed miserably.

Socialism has been tried in the past and has failed miserably.

All forms of man-made governments have already failed.

Repeating the past types will fail again and again.

Only God's government/kingdom, with Jesus as king, will fix mankind's problems. This will be done in the future.

That is the one to hope for.

The reason why conservatives would reject UBI is because we do actually do the math. The REAL math, not liberal myopic math. Once you change something in the system, especially in an economy as big and complex as that of the U.S., the equilibrium is disturbed and there are ripples and chain effects and many "unintended" consequences will occur. The reason we are in a mess in a first place is because generations of liberals one after another force their "progressivism" on the people and end up making things worse. Just look at Obamacare.

The reason why all nations and empires rise and fall, and even the U.S. will one day die, is because people mess it up more and more until it is dead. The Elites lust for power and control, and are masters of deception. They wear wolves-in-sheeps clothing to trick the people something is good when it is actually bad.

The worst part is that so-called "liberals" will do anything in pursuit of "progress." They worship social "progress" and so will sacrifice everything else. The ends justify the means, so they employ thought-control, persecution, and other fascist tactics "for the good of the people."

Humans suffer the same grave sin that caused the fall of Satan: PRIDE. Humans thinks they can solve world problems using their own wisdom and mechanisms, but the end result is always worse. Always! Human society is doomed to collapse and their attempts to prevent it only speed it along. Human's idolatry of humanism and transhumanism is the epitome of irony. Problems in society are caused by human sinful nature and cannot be solved by worldly wisdom or government solutions. Humans try to live apart from God and achieve perfection on their own, to become their own "God," and will only fail. Look beyond this world, beyond its temporary comforts and materialism, and go to Jesus. He is the only answer. There is no other solution!

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"Deserve" has nothing to do with it.

You obviously have not read this thread. There has never been a time on earth with this plan and never been a time when automation is going to make this necessary.

Wrong, the problem with most of the existing government payout programs is that the liberals have allowed ANYONE to claim benefits. You cannot offer food stamps and welfare to the entire world and have a sustaining program. It is idiotic. The ONE key OP mentions is that this new program is for US CITIZENS ONLY. Common sense but sleazy liberal politicians want kickbacks from lobbyists.

I am a conservative and this plan makes a lot of conservative sense.

You do not understand Communism and if you read this thread, you will see how ridiculous your statement is. This plan is the opposite of Communism.

Universal basic income only makes sense if there are absolutely no jobs for anyone. But at the same time it makes money worthless.

Since so many nations are pushing to have it, it means job losses over the next 5 to 10 years will be large.

They will push everyone onto "universal basic income" (aka nationwide welfare), then when money becomes totally worthless they will usher in a Star Trek like society where there is no money.

That, or they will massively depopulate the whole world to free up more jobs.

The current system is idiotic, but so is commie shithole system. A commie shithole for US Citizens only is still a commie shithole.

A "conservative" commie is still a commie.

The OPs plans makes perfect sense for Elites that want to consolidate power and control over dumb masses that fall for this shit.

If you study how communist regimes come about, you will see the plan exactly is communist. What looks like utopia on paper turns into communist totalitarian dictatorship in practice. You are hung up on optimism and ideology and completely ignoring the the practical consequences and ripple/chain-effects, which history warns about over and over again. You are too arrogant in your own intellectual ability and think you can get it right, but fail to see how many before you thought the same thing and have gotten it wrong.

Wrong, you fail to realize, REPLACES half a dozen failed and bankrupt programs. US CITIZENS ONLY.

As long as I, and everyone who's paid in, get a single check refunding what has been paid in under our social security numbers and it stops coming out of my check, shut it down.

Social security is not welfare. When you work, money is taken away from the paycheck for social security. I've been working for 22 years, that money is my money.

The numbers mentioned would pay you more then you will get in Social Security payments.

Communism is the ultimate failed and bankrupt program. Bankrupt in every literal and figurative sense. The ravages of communism does not care if it is only for this and that citizen. Sin, corruption, envy, etc... does not follow such arbitrary boundaries. US Citizens are just as likely to become the next North Korea or Venezuela as any other people.

And yet it will buy you much much less once the communist beast takes control.

Wow. Read the whole thread. OP and his defenders are correct.

This would also claim the masses as their income would increase.

Excellent idea!!

I'm pretty sure UBI would also get rid of all those bloated retirement checks that government workers receive. You could also lower government pay down considerably and tell them to hit the road if they don't like it.

a minimum wage is slavery by the back door

it makes the poor think they're getting a good deal, when in fact everything will go up, making them MUCH worse off than they were before, it drags the lower middle class down into the lower class, as employers use this bullshit more and more, and even the upper middle class get dragged down towards the floor.

the ONLY ones who benefit are the upper classes

it is a commie plot against us all, and seeing as it is OUR govs implementing it, what does that tell you?

we're heading for a totalitarian left wing nwo, and you are one of their fucking shills, OP!

This.

Excellent.

I wants my gummit check!!

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This.

You would have to end birthright citizenship first, and exclude anchors from this scheme. Otherwise it would never work.

See, I disagree. If I was only making $2000/mo I would quit so I could get $2000/mo for doing nothing. Why get up and go to work if I can make the same amount by lying on my ass? The only way UBI would work would be if EVERYONE (citizens and non anchors only) got it even if they make $10 million a year.

Why don't you just move to a country that is already socialist?

Hahhaah Your Icon of Burgess Meridith from the Twilight Zone episode where he is the Devil that runs a Linotype machine that prints FUTURE NEWS. Basic Income will not happen since the Democrats would loose many voters as the various welfare departments are shut down. Also, many of HHS departments are used to LAUNDER MONEY,ex: HUD. If the US doesnt wash illegal funds , other countries will and we will loose a ton of money.