Church of evolution, how was the first cell NON-intelligently assembled before God created ribosomes?

How did the aliens come into being?

What chemicals do you mean, what was the reaction?

Ahhh... that's easy, Martial Mud Morphification.

I take it you didn't read the article I posted on the first page.

Right I don't read more than 2 paragraphs due the mass of inconclusive rhetoric in these discussions.

well that is where the answer to your question is

Multiversal cosmic darwinism.

Mountains of evidence.

And if evotardism can happen on our planet, is surely can happen everywhere and in any dimension. We have plenty of facts on planet earth to back this up.

For science...

Ribosome: Its a part of the cell, responsible for linking amino acids. The very awareness of its existence is part of celular research. Celular research is an important part of the study of EVOLUTION. Its only because of evolution being FACT that this kind of research exists. Trying to use science to disprove science is at least plain stupid. Whatever branch of biology you refer to, they ALL base on the FACT that evolution is TRUTH. Its like trying to teach Michael Phelps to swim.

Questions such as "how did that happen" or "why is that so", are not the right approach. Study the bases, study what biology is, what it studies and research, understand the main points and then try to debunk it.


Also, refer to the thread below. There, I've put some good info on how you are doing it wrong
Thread: Sci-FY Cult of 'Evolution', are the most articulate aircraft of all NON-intelligently designed?

"Questions such as "how did that happen" or "why is that so", are not the right approach."
Because these are scientific questions which prove random chance mutation = precision form and function is impossible debunking the silly hoax?

Oh no, these are not scientific questions at all!
And "chance mutation" is very dishonest. I told you many times, that there is no "random mutation". I believe you are so resistant to the evolution, because it would make your whole world erude beneath you. All you have ever believed, been taught and think to be truth, will go "poof" in a silent sad feeling of wasted life.

Do you think the world isn't eroding beneath you?
"“Also, the traveling merchants of the earth are weeping and mourning over her, because there is no one to buy their full stock anymore, 12 a full stock of gold and silver
15 “The traveling merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand at a distance because of [their] fear of her torment and will weep and mourn, 16 saying, ‘Too bad, too bad—the great city, clothed with fine linen and purple and scarlet, and richly adorned with gold ornament and precious stone and pearl, 17 because in one hour such great riches have been devastated!’ rv18:11

And more dancing around the words.

Either it's guided or unguided.

Either it's random or it is not random.

You believe it's not random or unguided and you can't even admit this, how sad.

Cheers

Evolution is not randomness. What about you REALLY study it? There, no "dancing around the words", straight to the point.

Show me the random train wreck process by which mindless mutation achieves precision form and function.

When he says evolution is not randomness, it's because mutations are happening because of very specific genetic causes. Those mutations will either benefit or inhibit the survival of that life form based on natures rules. None of that is random, but it isn't designed either.

If the mutation helps survival, it's more likely to leave it's beneficial traits to descendants . If it's not beneficial it's a lot less likely to procreate. Nothing random about it.

And who says evolution achieves precise form, or function. All the back problems humans suffer with, are proof positive our spines were not designed from the beginning to be used walking upright.

Not to mention all the other disorders humans suffer from. we have not evolved into precise forms with precise function, far from it. We are still works in progress, evolution is not done with us yet.

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The reason there has never been a beneficial mutation is because a copy failure of the previous cell is junk.

I know, you know that's crazy talk. To say there have never been beneficial mutations is just nuts.

DNA can be altered thru a mutation enough to change a certain trait but still leave the cell perfectly healthy to replicate and pass on that mutation. It's up to nature then to decide weather it's beneficial or not.

When an ancient horse was born with an extra long neck, thru a mutation, nature showed it to be a beneficial trait that aided its survival, because it could reach higher into the trees for more food. It lived longer and passed that trait on, over the generations the mutation was reinforced and necks grew longer still, eventually resulting in what we call Giraffes. It was a beneficial mutation.

Lamarck's theory was based on limited scientific evidence and observation. It was known that animals adapt to their behavior. For example, people that run more than others will become more fit. Lamarck believed that these attributes of fitness were passed down to offspring, but this was disproved with the discovery of genetic information.

Lamarck's theory on evolution was wrong because organisms pass down traits through predetermined genetic information, not based on environmental adaptations during their lifetime. Lamarck proposed that if an organism used a certain muscle differently, like a giraffe having to consistently reach up higher on a tree for leaves, the offspring would naturally have a longer neck.

Do you know what the words predetermined genetic information mean?

Share fossils of horses turning into Giraffes. Then share examples of mutations rewriting any creatures DNA, with out a mind to do the research or even knowing they exist.

lol

Mutations are by definition alterations of the DNA sequence. If mutations did not happen as a matter of course, your children would be identical to you. As would your grandchildren and great grandchildren.

Do you thing that is true? Are your children little mini-mes?

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"If the mutation helps survival, it's more likely to leave it's beneficial traits to descendants"
Mutating cells are never better than their model because they're deformed copy failures which cannot interface with other functional cells, let alone rewrite the creatures DNA and invent a new improved species. Best case scenario is they're benine and don't go malignant turning into cancer.

Last Edited by DGN on 07/22/2017 06:22 PM

Mutations are the result of cell copy failure, regardless of the various causes. Children are different from each parent because of the divinely intended combination of DNA traits at conception, ensuring infinite variety.

Richard Dawkins thought them up?

Magical Martian Mud Morphification?

The first known tale of space travel and aliens was in the 2nd century AD in the book "A True History" by Lucian of Samosata, so no, not Dawkins.

"It's up to nature then to decide weather it's beneficial or not."
Really, nature has a mind? Where is it?

"Decision", by any means implies that there is a "mind" behind it. A river flows according to the topography of the place, its a decision. An animal dies according to the environment conditions or its ability to survive such an environment. That's what its meant by decision.

Last Edited by MaybeTrollingU on 07/27/2017 10:54 AM

Which way a river flows is determined by gravity and the course of least resistance there's no decision at all. Animals die, their life spans are brief, no decisions involved.

Last Edited by DGN on 07/27/2017 06:22 PM