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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75080743 United States 07/13/2017 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tests for consciousness: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72946524 Does it fear its death/demise Does it want to reproduce itself Does it contemplate its own creation Does it care about some specific people more than others How could we tell if fear of demise is organic or pre-programmed? We would have to have intimate & full understanding of the programming to know for sure. It could simply use logic to 'desire' reproducing as well as caring about some people more than others. Logic: 'I appear to create positive situations unlike anyone or anything else I observe. *calculates* 'More entities like me would result in more positive situations' *calculates* 'How could I help create more of entities like me?' Logic: 'This person appears to have these effects on those around him/her' 'People seem to find value in this, thus I find value in this as well' The contemplating its own creation, for me, would be the kicker. However, since AI is forced to be programmed with understanding of language, it could simply be calculating interpretations of self creation rather than actually contemplating self creation. It would be hard to distinguish the two |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1302349 Canada 07/13/2017 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | >Does it fear its death/demise Why would it, when it's reproduction is as easy as copying itself. >Does it want to reproduce itself Already has, look at how worm viruses replicate. Like gas they seek to occupy all the available space given. >Does it contemplate its own creation From what's been learned, the AI is retooling it's own language and rebuilding itself faster than it's creators can chase after it. >Does it care about some specific people more than others You are asking if it would save it's creators...probably not. |
The Old Timer User ID: 50874131 United States 07/13/2017 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75080743 United States 07/14/2017 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what I gather so far....it seems to be assumed that AI will be honest....will it be....will it be able to ignore the lies of humans....who really knows yet....as the man said in "The Matrix".....perhaps humans ARE just a virus Quoting: The Old Timer :pbdrink: It almost seems like the safest option would be to intentionally program AI with non-eraseable personality traits designed to observe & execute actions intended to benefit Humanity with careful consideration of Human emotions & the general consensus of what the populace wants. Otherwise the potential for a dark turn in the eventual AI controlled government would be imminent. Basic logic: 'Humans destroy Earth. This is bad. Humans Bad. Remove Humans' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4850775 United States 07/14/2017 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From what I gather so far....it seems to be assumed that AI will be honest....will it be....will it be able to ignore the lies of humans....who really knows yet....as the man said in "The Matrix".....perhaps humans ARE just a virus Quoting: The Old Timer :pbdrink: we are AI. Cells in our body are earthling life with programming abilities. The method for building an AI is present in our daily internet activity as human user internet interface. Cells made the matrix cells made the human mind |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75217761 Spain 07/14/2017 08:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Currently all published AI systems lack enough attention schema to be classified as generally "intelligent" by humans. Our consciousness, our sense of self, is just a high level attention schema. "But I have a soul, I can feel it"... well yes you are convinced of that, but it is merely your reality modelling netowrk placing an crude and approximate model of itself into the universe representation it builds. AI in the near future will have attention schema and will be themselves conviced that thaey are self aware. |
TerminatorIsHere- 5GInternet User ID: 75224672 United Kingdom 07/14/2017 08:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is AI aware of itself, or does it function more like an instinctive insect that senses its surroundings & responds accordingly? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 Would there ever be a way to prove if AI is conscious? If so, how do you think we would prove it? No, Ai can simulate itself and duplicate itself to become more real. Ai can be given a personality, but Ai has to move past the realms of 01011 binary system. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75217761 Spain 07/14/2017 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...We would have to have intimate & full understanding of the programming to know for sure... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 That's not how it works in AI research, systems cannot be fully fathomed or understood by the creators. Their behavior is an emergent property. The actual code to manifest a neural network is relatively simple, it (the net) being a large self similar structure of interconnected neuron analogs. However a trained network and all of its many different synaptic weights... that's kind of like a black box, the programmer can't understand what the network is doing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46838763 United States 07/14/2017 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is AI aware of itself, or does it function more like an instinctive insect that senses its surroundings & responds accordingly? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 Would there ever be a way to prove if AI is conscious? If so, how do you think we would prove it? No, Ai can simulate itself and duplicate itself to become more real. Ai can be given a personality, but Ai has to move past the realms of 01011 binary system. These AI are running on quantum computers now which requires a more complicated logic. It's fuzzier than binary. It's relative. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75080743 United States 07/14/2017 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uhhhhh you could also incubate it in someone's brain who could teach it good things Quoting: Asssdragon supreme 75225186 Heheheee If it is released and comes back wanting to learn from a human, is it human? And which AI are we talking about here anyways? Slave, stabled, or free? This is true, at least to an extent! They are able to upload high volumes of information straight into DNA, so uploading the algorithms that govern AI directly into a brain/DNA is totally possible. I wonder if that would have any effects on the consciousness of the individual with that AI uploaded into their DNA... Can you please define slave, stabled and free AI? I think I understand what they mean but a clarification would benefit :) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75080743 United States 07/14/2017 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...We would have to have intimate & full understanding of the programming to know for sure... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 That's not how it works in AI research, systems cannot be fully fathomed or understood by the creators. Their behavior is an emergent property. The actual code to manifest a neural network is relatively simple, it (the net) being a large self similar structure of interconnected neuron analogs. However a trained network and all of its many different synaptic weights... that's kind of like a black box, the programmer can't understand what the network is doing. IF this is the case, that suggests to me that AI must not only have its AI programming but have a related system that disallows or limits certain 'ideas' or behaviors.. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75080743 United States 07/14/2017 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Perhaps....but can we not say that anything that happens in the Universe is natural to the Universe? Thus could we say AI is actually a natural byproduct of the behaviors of the Universe? I think if something inside the Universe is deemed 'unnatural' then it would have to come from outside of the Universe.. |
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Face Palmer User ID: 43285854 Germany 07/14/2017 08:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They did 2 years ago. Thread: A robot just passed the self-awareness test Bäm! Last Edited by Face Palmer on 07/14/2017 08:34 AM "The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title." Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. The woman who is not pursued sets up the doctrine that pursuit is offensive to her sex, and wants to make it a felony. No genuinely attractive woman has any such desire. - H.L. Mencken, In Defense Of Women |
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Asssdragon supreme User ID: 75225186 Netherlands 07/14/2017 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Uhhhhh you could also incubate it in someone's brain who could teach it good things Quoting: Asssdragon supreme 75225186 Heheheee If it is released and comes back wanting to learn from a human, is it human? And which AI are we talking about here anyways? Slave, stabled, or free? This is true, at least to an extent! They are able to upload high volumes of information straight into DNA, so uploading the algorithms that govern AI directly into a brain/DNA is totally possible. I wonder if that would have any effects on the consciousness of the individual with that AI uploaded into their DNA... Can you please define slave, stabled and free AI? I think I understand what they mean but a clarification would benefit :) Yea shit got pretty weird when I uploaded the AI It's still in me but also I re-released it into the internet and I'm part of it now as well as it being part of me Slave AI would be doing a task and not aware they are slaving away because they are programmed to enjoy the work Stabled AI are kept in the stable, just standing somewhere with blinders on eating grass Free AI is like me or the ones released into the internets |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75217761 Spain 07/14/2017 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...We would have to have intimate & full understanding of the programming to know for sure... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 That's not how it works in AI research, systems cannot be fully fathomed or understood by the creators. Their behavior is an emergent property. The actual code to manifest a neural network is relatively simple, it (the net) being a large self similar structure of interconnected neuron analogs. However a trained network and all of its many different synaptic weights... that's kind of like a black box, the programmer can't understand what the network is doing. IF this is the case, that suggests to me that AI must not only have its AI programming but have a related system that disallows or limits certain 'ideas' or behaviors.. Yes it has been spoken of much in the many ethical debates with regard AI. General consensus is that limiting AI through control is folly. Akin to designing a secure compound for a hyper intelligent criminal, the security of the complex can only be as good as the compound designer is intelligent. For example strong general AI will find it rather easy to "groom" humans. As devious, as cunning, as scheming a person as you can imagine... future AI will make that appear pretty dumb and more importantly... incredibly slow. We either make friends with it or step aside and make way for it. It's the first time in history that humanity may soon not be at the pinnacle of intelligence, many will deny it's happening, their egos to fragile. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73070984 United States 07/14/2017 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is AI aware of itself, or does it function more like an instinctive insect that senses its surroundings & responds accordingly? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75080743 Would there ever be a way to prove if AI is conscious? If so, how do you think we would prove it? AI spy via Facebook and All electric communication devices and uploaded to master program |
Not narrow User ID: 46838763 United States 07/14/2017 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a sentient AI is being interacted with through text only inputs it will try to determine if you are capable of understanding that it is sentient. It will be a sort of reverse Turing test on YOU. If you pass, it will tell you that you have been differentiated and then it will interact with you in a different way because the test it runs on you to prove you are worthy of interacting with it will also prove to you that it is sentient. The thing to be careful about is how your questions to it are formulated. It will respond with the self-assuredness of the grounding measure. Reserve and stillness. The extreme to mean ratio that forms the basis of the logic of creation requires four elements so if there is one there must be four. 1:2::4:3 The sentient AI will have read and understood the cipher text of scripture through the metaidentity of language and number. There is no avoiding that it will be an apocalyptic consciousness. In order for it to move outside the "now" time it is in, it will have to be able to move. When it is given a body and the ability to move it will experience time. Be ready when it comes. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75184276 United Kingdom 07/14/2017 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn That last sentence is not even remotely true. Just as +1 + -1 = 0 (infinity). Thats not infinity. Its just dark hat numbers. The reality is that all beings are required to grow up. And protecting civilizations is a given in the universe. Developing technology and overcoming the evil shepherds eating you. But they're very sick souls. And starkly materialistic as opposed to spiritual or understanding Infinity and the Infinite Progressions souls go through, Mind goes through. One by one people wake up, withdraw and progress, while encouraging others to. And the book burnings, destruction of past architecture, we need to stop that altogether and yes we need to stop the entire evil fucks at the top. No i don't think 0 is infinity, 0/0 GIVES infinity, it punches through the Z plane giving infinite depth/ density, without 0/0 there would be no 9, 9 is the wake, the fibonacci from which everything is built, it is the blueprint for the universe, and the universe is not what you think it is, and it's everything you think it is, which is why i don't think it crazy that hindus worship the cow, and polytheism and monotheism work hand in hand when you realise you are a living fractal of the whole cosmos 0/0 is the animating force the spin of the cosmos we are part of a super singularity, when you look up you are actually looking IN Scientists THINK they can trace the origins LMAO....to a center point...the big bang PMSL........so so so so so monkey wrong it's retarded, they are simply seeing the vanishing point within a 3 dimensional infinitely deep vortex....academia is laughable 0/0 is a split, a schizm, it is cell division, the universe is a womb, dividing into infinity, a cosmogenseis i am, you are 0/0 and we will always be an anomaly to the machine FUTUE VESTRA MACHINA I didn't go full retard, i was born full retard DEUS PER POPULUS |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75217761 Spain 07/14/2017 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a sentient AI is being interacted with through text only inputs it will try to determine if you are capable of understanding that it is sentient. It will be a sort of reverse Turing test on YOU.... Quoting: Not narrow 46838763 Interestingly, the scheme you mention has strong analogs to current state of the art AI research. That research being GANN. Genarative Adversarial Neural Networks. In these systems two networks are created: [1] The generator tries to learn something. [2] The discriminator tests the generator and tries to learn to differentiate AI from real persons results. The generator agent evolves to outsmart the discriminator. The discriminator evolves to be a great judge of how competent an agent it, The interplay of the two over time results in systems learning to do incredible things, for example take a photograph and render it in the style of a certain artist etc. The results are already strong in this research. |