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The Jesus Matrix

 
Berean
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I‘ve been here a while, like 4 or 5 years and thought I would finally register.

Before I get to topic, let me brief you on me. I’ve been around, and have seen and done things that would blush most. I have a degree in engineering. Married with children. Once was lost, and spent a lot of time and energy looking for “Truth”. Nuff said.

Now the topic.

Being a Christian, I am commanded to go out and spread the good news. Being of a scientific mind, I will try to sew seed scientifically. Without being dogmatic, the way I see our “realm” is this.

We actually live in a “Matrix”. We move around in this dimension like the ones in the movie, oblivious to reality. Few realize that all we are, are particles composed of opposite charges. Energy bound up in a sub-atomic, cosmic dance. Scientists have no idea of this “force” holding our reality together. Like the movie, our reality is flawed. We are unwinding. Slaves to entropy.
Trapped.
Our corruption is not compatible with the creator. His nature will not allow corruption. This is why we are stuck here. We are here not of our own choice (that choice was made for us long ago) but we are here none the less. Being here we are “infected with it’s stench”.

In this realm, we have three dimensions that we observe. We are also told that “time” is the 4th D. God, being out of our restrictions, sees our 4 D’s as one lump. Beginning to end, and all in between. Imagine your life as a cylinder, with your birth and death as each end of this cylinder.
Now imagine God seeing all of the universe from beginning to end, outside our reality as a cylinder held in His hand.

More later. We will discuss how the creator has fixed our "program" of we allow it.
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Looking forward to the rest.


How did you find GLP?
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sO,ARE YOU TRYING TO EXPLAIN MY WORk?
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dear god
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Looking forward to the rest.


How did you find GLP?
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Thank you.
How did I find GLP? I had alot of time with alot of computers several years ago. I found the site about a year before Aussie Bloke, but found that story facinating and have "lurked" ever sense.


Being creatures with free will (even though God can see our “cylinder”, we still control its content) we are responsible for our decisions. God, by His very nature can not force you to love Him. He can’t force you to spend eternity (outside our realm) with Him. But, He has provided a way to escape and get outside our universe. He warns that one day He will “release” matter to its natural form, pure energy, a lake of fire. Without taking advantage of the only way out, our immortal souls (remember souls were originally created for Gods realm) are stuck here, by our own accord.

Without claiming Gods mind, I think that humans that are too young or unborn or other physical liabilities, their life “cylinder” did not get a chance to “choose” and are therefore covered by the provision.
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Scientists have no idea of this “force” holding our reality together.
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Its LOVE thats holding our reality together.
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We will discuss how the creator has fixed our "program" of we allow it.
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Please.

I hate it here and always have. My earliest memory as a toddler was thinking: "I don't belonge here; this is punishment. I want to go home."

This matrix: Why are we in prison? What do we have to do to escape?

This God: Is he the father of Jesus, or the demiurge (Satan, Yaldaboath, Sakklas)?

Is hell reincarnation?
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We will discuss how the creator has fixed our "program" of we allow it.



Please.

I hate it here and always have. My earliest memory as a toddler was thinking: "I don't belonge here; this is punishment. I want to go home."

This matrix: Why are we in prison? What do we have to do to escape?

This God: Is he the father of Jesus, or the demiurge (Satan, Yaldaboath, Sakklas)?

Is hell reincarnation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208670

......................................

Thank you for your reply. I have memories that are similar. Maybe we can discuss this subject later. I have prior engagements to get to now. But first I have some topic to touch on.

Some wonder how the Creator though “one” can be three.
When Jesus entered our realm, He took own our limitations. Sinless, but not without temptation, He can now “sympathize” with us. Were He a “normal” human, the door to Gods dimension could never have been opened. Only God can open this door. How can Jesus pray to Himself? He is still outside our reality but part of His “being” plunged into this matrix.

Imagine a being living on a two dimensional plane. All he sees is left, right back and forward. Our being has no clue about up or down. Were a 3 D being were to visit him, he has no reference of this 3D beings real shape, only what he can see in his limited realm. So in essence, God the father is outside our realm looking in, and Christ is God the Son looking out.
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HERE'S YOUR FUCKING THREAD.
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
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HERE'S YOUR FUCKING THREAD.
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No, the fucking thread starts arter prime time.
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HERE'S YOUR FUCKING THREAD.


No, the fucking thread starts arter prime time.
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Haa!
Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be.
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We will discuss how the creator has fixed our "program" of we allow it.



Please.


Why are we in prison? What do we have to do to escape?

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To understand why we are in this "prison" one must first try to grasp God's holy nature. God is unchanging. He is the universal constant. The ancient scriptures describe God as an all consuming fire. This is in reference to our realm. Were we (or our universe) exposed to God's entire presence, we would be consumed. Also by His nature, He will reject anything impure in His presence.
In Revelation, the prophet speaks of the "cosmos fleeing from his face". Disintegrating so to speak when all human souls will be judged. Peter also spoke of this time, saying: "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
Here is the kicker.
Remember comparing our live to a Cylinder? There is a definite beginning and a definite ending. This means that we have only one go at this. If our "entity" does not make the change while in this realm, the change is impossible in the next.
If you are still found corrupted from this place, by God's very nature, you will be separated from Him.
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when God created us on earth
He said "it is good"
our only problem is we got out of created order

when our bodies and minds began to rule over our spirit
(eating fruit of knowlege of good and evil)

you can be free while in the body
IF you allow your spirit to ascend
and once again be ruler in your being
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also
before adam and eve sinned against their own spirit
they walked with God in the garden
and there was no harm done to them
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also
before adam and eve sinned against their own spirit
they walked with God in the garden
and there was no harm done to them
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208799

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Quite right. The moment that sin entered our realm, God had to seperate Himself from us.
One day, God will create a new heaven and earth where we will spend eternity (exemp fron the constraints of time).
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Jesus came to unite us with God by the HOly Spirit
we dont' have to be separated from God
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if the same Spirit
that raised Christ from the dead
dwells in you
He will quicken
your mortal body
if the Spirit dwells in you

it's all for right now
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Jesus came to unite us with God by the HOly Spirit
we dont' have to be separated from God
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208799

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I agree. This is the "third mystery of God", the work of the Holy Spirit. Remember that God the Father is the one we are separated from. The Spirit is also a part of God entering our realm. Like the 2D creature in the example above, we see or experience only a part of an entity from a dimension "above".
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i am not separated from God anymore
we are One by the Holy Spirit which dwells in me
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God is a spirit
so, if we have the Holy Spirit
we have God
God is not bound by space and time

i hate to tell you
but, your mind has limited what you can believe
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i am not separated from God anymore
we are One by the Holy Spirit which dwells in me
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208799


Let me restate.
We are seperated from the physical presence of the physical entity that created us.
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God is a spirit
so, if we have the Holy Spirit
we have God
God is not bound by space and time

i hate to tell you
but, your mind has limited what you can believe
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208799

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God is not bound by space or time, but we are. Have you read the whole thread?
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i am not separated from God anymore
we are One by the Holy Spirit which dwells in me
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 208799

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This is the door provided by God. This is how our stain is removed.

The gospel is perfect in it's simplicity.
We were created for immortality (the realm above time).
We screwed up due to our own choice, thus we are stuck in this dimension, which is limited in duration.
We can not achieve "escape" on our own because we are confined to this realms constraints.
Only God can repair our relationship.
God provided a way, but only one way.
This "Way" takes faith that God has completed this path.
God rewards faith.
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I have a couple of questions if I may ask?

You say that we have this one chance!

IN the book of Eze. chapter 44 tells of those that will be able to leave the temple and go out to their loved ones and to tell them they must get their act together. Does not that say that in that chapter?

Are you missing that in your information? Or do you believe that the information in Eze. 44 has already come to pass, or that it was wrongly put into the bible, or what?

Is satan real or fake?

Does satan have a time line like you are presenting that God has a time line that never ends?

Thanks, good post!
blessings to all
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The Holy Spirit, is how ONE, think's as a human, if you don't think right, you don't have the Holy Spirit, at least, the SPIRIT that's HOLY in GOD'S eyes
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Interesting Discussion.

bump
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Nice thread developing here, I think to have knowledge of both good and evil there needed to be an opposite of the one, the fallen ones, those who broke away. Without Satan Matrix there can be no duality so a purpose was served.

The cylinder is represented by a spherical standing wave, Jacob wrestled upon that ladder, angels acending and decending, DNA...Lightbeings we are.

Outside time, goes back to where I am, does time exist outside consciousness or does consciousness exist outside time?

Whoever finds the glue in the darkness shall find that which is sought.
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Nice thread developing here, I think to have knowledge of both good and evil there needed to be an opposite of the one, the fallen ones, those who broke away. Without Satan Matrix there can be no duality so a purpose was served.

The cylinder is represented by a spherical standing wave, Jacob wrestled upon that ladder, angels acending and decending, DNA...Lightbeings we are.

Outside time, goes back to where I am, does time exist outside consciousness or does consciousness exist outside time?

Whoever finds the glue in the darkness shall find that which is sought.
 Quoting: ICF


I have a nephew who is stuggling with the light.

I told him to go into a dark closet at home and sit there for awhile. And then told him when he gets tired of sitting in total darkness he should open the door. When he opens the door the light comes into the dark room and his eyes see the light.

Do you think that was a poor way to tell him about the light?

blessings to all
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I have a couple of questions if I may ask?

You say that we have this one chance!

IN the book of Eze. chapter 44 tells of those that will be able to leave the temple and go out to their loved ones and to tell them they must get their act together. Does not that say that in that chapter?

Are you missing that in your information? Or do you believe that the information in Eze. 44 has already come to pass, or that it was wrongly put into the bible, or what?

Is satan real or fake?

Does satan have a time line like you are presenting that God has a time line that never ends?

Thanks, good post!
blessings to all
 Quoting: Little Star

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Thank you for your kind words.
I believe that the book and verses you refer to are speaking to the priests of Israel. Does this mean that there is nothing to be gleaned here? I don't know.

A lot here hate Israel and question their purpose in God's plan. Some have good reason for their dislike. Some don't. Any "nation" that has ever existed has their own "sins".
I'd rather not get into the politics of humanity. One, because thru history there never HAS been a perfect government. Two, any government set up by mankind is only temporal.

Israel's function was to record and preserve the word of God. Another function was to preserve the line that God would enter our realm.
In these regards, Israel was successful in their purpose.


"Is Satan real or fake?

Does Satan have a time line like you are presenting that God has a time line that never ends?"


Yes, Satan is real. I noticed a thread a few weeks ago about whether or not Satan has access to God. Without massive cut and pastes (which I despise) the book of Job
touches on this, and also on Satan's function in the cosmos.
Satan was a created being as all angelic beings. For the time being (remember that God in not constrained by time), He has allowed Satan access to the realm of God,or at least access to at least one of God's dimensions. Satan has complete access to our realm also. Just look around.
His plan is to thwart God's plan thus making God in error and undermining His total authority. Satan has had several plans, but is apparently not as omniscient as God or he would never had tried to thwart the plans or never would have rebelled in the first place.
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Nice thread developing here, I think to have knowledge of both good and evil there needed to be an opposite of the one, the fallen ones, those who broke away. Without Satan Matrix there can be no duality so a purpose was served.

The cylinder is represented by a spherical standing wave, Jacob wrestled upon that ladder, angels acending and decending, DNA...Lightbeings we are.

Outside time, goes back to where I am, does time exist outside consciousness or does consciousness exist outside time?

Whoever finds the glue in the darkness shall find that which is sought.
 Quoting: ICF

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Thank you for your imput.

I believe that our conciousness (soul) exists in our "time".
I believe that we were created for "outside time" and we are here for the moment. At least till God decides that His plan has come to fruition.





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