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The Jesus Matrix

 
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An interesting parallel can be seen in the scout bee's message of food, and Christ's message of salvation. Both are a means of survival. If the hive is taken as the world, and the flowers the paradise to be reached after death, then accurate instructions on how to accomplish this are known only by the bee coming from the flowers. A message from any other bee will prove false and bring doom if followed, because he doesn't know where the flowers are. Now picture an eagle flying over fields of flowers and choosing to become a bee so that he can enter the hive with the true message of how to reach the flowers, and you have the Christian parallel of Christ in the form of God choosing to incarnate himself into the man Jesus delivering the only message that can provide safe entrance into the world beyond this one.

Reprogramming Humanity

The Ten Commandments stand today as they were originally given, and they illuminate a standard of human behavior that would usher in Utopia itself were we willing and able to do what they say. Given that we have been unable to do this, the Bible explains that God incarnated himself in virgin-born flesh that was unaffected by Adam's fall, fulfilled his own law by living a sinless life in the person of Christ, and then satisfied divine justice by punishing Jesus for our misconduct. The result was the resurrection and departure of Jesus Christ from the earth and the coming of the Person of God's Spirit as an energizing transmitter for the purpose of reprogramming humanity. Christian doctrine identifies this spiritual reprogramming as a "rebirth" that is essential for eternal life, but explains that it is accepted or rejected by each person individually.

This view likens human life to a computer composed of hardware (flesh) and software (spirit). The hardware can be pictured as millions of dots (microcircuits) in need of connection, and the software as millions of lines (wires) that define how they are connected. When Adam fell, defects entered both. The "spirit" of a computer can thus be viewed as the way it is internally organized — the lines connecting the dots; a rebirth alters this organization by connecting the dots in a new way. The result is a new spirit, but with dots (flesh) that retain the old defects because they are unchanged. Christian doctrine teaches that they are made new when a new resurrection body is received upon Christ's return to earth. But it also teaches that everyone will not be changed at this time because God will not entrust a supercomputer to a degenerate programmer.
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As a child of mine, you have equal importance with the life of Jesus that Christian religions exalt as perfect in my eyes, and you have equal importance with the soul who is causing misery and death. There are equal amounts of my powers and love within every soul who is born into a body you recognize or a body you do not recognize or a body you cannot even conceive of in appearance. Yet, you wish me to see something that doesn't exist beyond the view of me on Earth, that I am only a loving and merciful God.

With equal aspects of what you think of as good and what you decry as evil, how can I be except what I am? In one stage of my Totality, I was purely light and love. Then parts of my creations descended into the darkness, but they were nonetheless inseparable parts of my whole. And thus they remain.

That is why I cannot give you the answer that you wish in your heart, dear child, that I am saddened and appalled by the injustice and brutality. Nor can I say that I am gladdened only by what I see of the light being spread on Earth. I can reply only as the amalgamation of the two sides of each soul. Each soul has its potential for goodness and darkness, or godliness as it was in the Beginning and the evil, as you see it, in motion. My child, can you relate to what I am in all truth telling you?

There is resistance to who I am in "entirety" anywhere religions prevail. First, I AM that I AM. And what I AM is what you and countless – so I shall say that I am the countless beings who have lived in any form in any place within this universe in any speck of time since its Beginning.

I am not a separate oversoul – or parent, if you will – who can see my likeness in a child of myself but am disappointed when the child doesn’t grow into my measurements of good or bad. I have no such measurements for my children! There is that energy balancing of the polar opposites light and darkness, and that’s as good as any differentiation for the two opposing forces.

Those opposing forces keep the universe spinning, so they are not soon to be changed from their oppositeness or everything would go haywire. As for souls, like everything else in the universe, they are energy, my original light energy as I was co-created by Creator and the highest angelic realm.

I am each person who is judged in such poor light by others who cannot know the heart and soul of that single one. None of you on Earth is connected in awareness at soul level, so your judgments can be quite off kilter insofar as a particular soul's purpose in this lifetime. Each agreed to play his or her part in the balancing act.

Do I WISH that all of my parts were within the light in which I was created? Yes! Who would not wish that perfection of Creator to be returned!
But I do not hold forth condemnation or punishment to any faltering part of me. I am here to respond to what you call prayers of the "godly" just as I am bound by the laws of Creator that are set up within the parameters of my operating powers if the choice made is not within the light. Do you see?
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My Central Message

I convey this message to you whom I have stirred with the sound of my voice. These words are my signature. You may bring your doubt, your fear, your faith, or your courage; it matters not, for you will be touched by the rhythm of my voice. It moves through you like a beam of light that sweeps – if only for a moment – the darkness aside.

I dwell in a frequency of light in which finite beings cannot uncover me. If you search for me, you will fail. I am not found or discovered. I am only realized in oneness, unity, and wholeness. It is the very same oneness that you feel when you are interconnected with all of life, for I am this and this alone. I am all of life. If you must search for me, then practice the feeling of wholeness and unity.

In my deepest light I created you from my desire to understand my universe. You are my emissaries. You are free to journey the universe of universes as particles from my infinite womb with destinies that you alone will write. I do not prescribe your journey or your journey’s aim. I only accompany you. I do not pull you this way or that, nor do I punish you when you stray from my heart. This I do as an outcome of my belief in you.

You are the heirs of my light, which gave you form. It is my voice that awakened you to individuality, but it will be your will that awakens you to our unity. It is your desire to know me as your self that brings you to my presence so perfectly hidden from your world. I am behind everything that you see, hear, touch, taste, smell, feel, and believe.

I live for your discovery of me. It is the highest expression of my love for you, and while you search for my shadows in the stories of your world, I, the indelible, invisible light, grow increasingly visible. Imagine the furthest point in space – beneath a black portal, cast in some distant galaxy, and then multiply this distance by the highest numeric value you know. Congratulations, you have measured an atom of my body.

Do you realize how I am unfathomable? I am not what you can know, or see, or understand. I am outside comprehension. My vastness makes me invisible and unavoidable. There is nowhere you can be without me. My absence does not exist. It is this very nature that makes me unique. I am First Cause and Last Effect connected in an undivided chain.

There is no supplication that stirs me. No prayer that invites me further into your world unless it is attended with the feeling of unity and wholeness. There is no temple or sacred object that touches me. They do not, nor have they ever brought you closer to my outstretched hand. My presence in your world is unalterable for I am the sanctuary of both the cosmos and the one soul inside you.

I could awaken each of you in this very moment to our unity, but there is a larger design – a more comprehensive vision – that places you in the boundaries of time and the spatial dimensions of separateness. This design requires a progression into my wholeness that reacquaints you with our unity through the experience of separation. Your awakening, while slow and sometimes painful, is assured, and this you must trust above all else.

I am the ancestral father of all creation. I am a personality that lives inside each of you as a vibration that emanates from all parts of your existence. I reside in this dimension as your beacon. If you follow this vibration, if you place it at the core of your journey, you will contact my personality that lives beneath the particles of your existence.

I am not to be feared or held in indifference. My presence is immediate, tangible, and real. You are now in my presence. Hear my words. You are in my presence. You are within me more than I am within you. You are the veneer of my mind and heart, and yet you think yourself the product of an ape. You are so much more than you realize.

Our union was, is, and will be forevermore. You are my blessed offspring with whom I am intricately connected in means that you cannot understand and therefore appreciate. You must suspend your belief and disbelief in what you cannot sense, in exchange for your knowing that I am real and live within you. This is my central message to all my offspring. Hear it well, for in it you may find the place in which I dwell.
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An interesting parallel can be seen in the scout bee's message of food, and Christ's message of salvation. Both are a means of survival. If the hive is taken as the world, and the flowers the paradise to be reached after death, then accurate instructions on how to accomplish this are known only by the bee coming from the flowers. A message from any other bee will prove false and bring doom if followed, because he doesn't know where the flowers are. Now picture an eagle flying over fields of flowers and choosing to become a bee so that he can enter the hive with the true message of how to reach the flowers, and you have the Christian parallel of Christ in the form of God choosing to incarnate himself into the man Jesus delivering the only message that can provide safe entrance into the world beyond this one.

Reprogramming Humanity

The Ten Commandments stand today as they were originally given, and they illuminate a standard of human behavior that would usher in Utopia itself were we willing and able to do what they say. Given that we have been unable to do this, the Bible explains that God incarnated himself in virgin-born flesh that was unaffected by Adam's fall, fulfilled his own law by living a sinless life in the person of Christ, and then satisfied divine justice by punishing Jesus for our misconduct. The result was the resurrection and departure of Jesus Christ from the earth and the coming of the Person of God's Spirit as an energizing transmitter for the purpose of reprogramming humanity. Christian doctrine identifies this spiritual reprogramming as a "rebirth" that is essential for eternal life, but explains that it is accepted or rejected by each person individually.

This view likens human life to a computer composed of hardware (flesh) and software (spirit). The hardware can be pictured as millions of dots (microcircuits) in need of connection, and the software as millions of lines (wires) that define how they are connected. When Adam fell, defects entered both. The "spirit" of a computer can thus be viewed as the way it is internally organized — the lines connecting the dots; a rebirth alters this organization by connecting the dots in a new way. The result is a new spirit, but with dots (flesh) that retain the old defects because they are unchanged. Christian doctrine teaches that they are made new when a new resurrection body is received upon Christ's return to earth. But it also teaches that everyone will not be changed at this time because God will not entrust a supercomputer to a degenerate programmer.
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That is a good example..glad to see this thread back again.
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I‘ve been here a while, like 4 or 5 years and thought I would finally register.

Before I get to topic, let me brief you on me. I’ve been around, and have seen and done things that would blush most. I have a degree in engineering. Married with children. Once was lost, and spent a lot of time and energy looking for “Truth”. Nuff said.

Now the topic.

Being a Christian, I am commanded to go out and spread the good news. Being of a scientific mind, I will try to sew seed scientifically. Without being dogmatic, the way I see our “realm” is this.

We actually live in a “Matrix”. We move around in this dimension like the ones in the movie, oblivious to reality. Few realize that all we are, are particles composed of opposite charges. Energy bound up in a sub-atomic, cosmic dance. Scientists have no idea of this “force” holding our reality together. Like the movie, our reality is flawed. We are unwinding. Slaves to entropy.
Trapped.
Our corruption is not compatible with the creator. His nature will not allow corruption. This is why we are stuck here. We are here not of our own choice (that choice was made for us long ago) but we are here none the less. Being here we are “infected with it’s stench”.

In this realm, we have three dimensions that we observe. We are also told that “time” is the 4th D. God, being out of our restrictions, sees our 4 D’s as one lump. Beginning to end, and all in between. Imagine your life as a cylinder, with your birth and death as each end of this cylinder.
Now imagine God seeing all of the universe from beginning to end, outside our reality as a cylinder held in His hand.

More later. We will discuss how the creator has fixed our "program" of we allow it.
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You're in hell.
The second death is reincarnation.
You're here because you want to be here
And your Spirit follows the desires of your own soul, and not God the father.
The soul which is pretty much satan is the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Rise upto the father and get out of here. That is the tree of life.

Currently people have a soul mind connection, when what they really need but do not want is the Father mind connection.
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..glad to see this thread back again.
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Thanks Gradient. Last thought for the day.

It is the capacity of human life to receive, supply and transmit the "word," as recorded through the generations, that separates us from all other known life forms and gives us dominion over the planet earth. It's fascinating that the divine imprint of this ability was foreshadowed thousands of years ago in the opening chapter of the Bible. Genesis chapter 1, verse 26, declares that man is made in the image of God; verse 1 of the first chapter of John's Gospel states that the Word was God and became incarnate in the person of Christ. Thus we find man's unique image, namely, the "word," identified by the Bible with the Creator. Furthermore, the same Bible verse that says man is made in God's image also teaches that man will have dominion over planet earth. What unique distinction gives man his commanding position over all other life forms? Is it not his capacity to transmit information through time and receive the distillation of thousands of years of prior knowledge into the present?

This means that the very attribute identified by John's Gospel with God, namely the Word, is found to be possessed by man as the very attribute separating human life from the animal kingdom.

Eternity

Thus man's regal distinction, the unique human quality that positions us in absolute disunion from all other known forms of life, is a divine imprint, a consecration, as it were, with eternity in view by virtue of an absolute code of moral rules that self-evince Authority over human behavior under the penalty of eternal judgment. Such hope is inaccessible to animals. It is available only to a life form capable of receiving and transmitting absolute truth through generations of its existence. We are this life form.

So whereas man can refuse moral precepts, animals are denied the choice. They live and die under instincts that are genetically propagated through reproduction, and that regulate their survival while on earth. Human beings do not wear a genetic strait jacket; therefore instincts do not bind human choice. The freedom of human life to accept or reject moral commands that propagate through time identifies that life as moral, and certifies man as a moral agent who is accountable for his actions.
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Thanks Gradient. Last thought for the day.

It is the capacity of human life to receive, supply and transmit the "word," as recorded through the generations, that separates us from all other known life forms and gives us dominion over the planet earth. It's fascinating that the divine imprint of this ability was foreshadowed thousands of years ago in the opening chapter of the Bible. Genesis chapter 1, verse 26, declares that man is made in the image of God; verse 1 of the first chapter of John's Gospel states that the Word was God and became incarnate in the person of Christ. Thus we find man's unique image, namely, the "word," identified by the Bible with the Creator. Furthermore, the same Bible verse that says man is made in God's image also teaches that man will have dominion over planet earth. What unique distinction gives man his commanding position over all other life forms? Is it not his capacity to transmit information through time and receive the distillation of thousands of years of prior knowledge into the present?

This means that the very attribute identified by John's Gospel with God, namely the Word, is found to be possessed by man as the very attribute separating human life from the animal kingdom.

Eternity

Thus man's regal distinction, the unique human quality that positions us in absolute disunion from all other known forms of life, is a divine imprint, a consecration, as it were, with eternity in view by virtue of an absolute code of moral rules that self-evince Authority over human behavior under the penalty of eternal judgment. Such hope is inaccessible to animals. It is available only to a life form capable of receiving and transmitting absolute truth through generations of its existence. We are this life form.

So whereas man can refuse moral precepts, animals are denied the choice. They live and die under instincts that are genetically propagated through reproduction, and that regulate their survival while on earth. Human beings do not wear a genetic strait jacket; therefore instincts do not bind human choice. The freedom of human life to accept or reject moral commands that propagate through time identifies that life as moral, and certifies man as a moral agent who is accountable for his actions.
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Thanks Gradient. Last thought for the day.

It is the capacity of human life to receive, supply and transmit the "word," as recorded through the generations, that separates us from all other known life forms and gives us dominion over the planet earth. It's fascinating that the divine imprint of this ability was foreshadowed thousands of years ago in the opening chapter of the Bible. Genesis chapter 1, verse 26, declares that man is made in the image of God; verse 1 of the first chapter of John's Gospel states that the Word was God and became incarnate in the person of Christ. Thus we find man's unique image, namely, the "word," identified by the Bible with the Creator. Furthermore, the same Bible verse that says man is made in God's image also teaches that man will have dominion over planet earth. What unique distinction gives man his commanding position over all other life forms? Is it not his capacity to transmit information through time and receive the distillation of thousands of years of prior knowledge into the present?

This means that the very attribute identified by John's Gospel with God, namely the Word, is found to be possessed by man as the very attribute separating human life from the animal kingdom.

Eternity

Thus man's regal distinction, the unique human quality that positions us in absolute disunion from all other known forms of life, is a divine imprint, a consecration, as it were, with eternity in view by virtue of an absolute code of moral rules that self-evince Authority over human behavior under the penalty of eternal judgment. Such hope is inaccessible to animals. It is available only to a life form capable of receiving and transmitting absolute truth through generations of its existence. We are this life form.

So whereas man can refuse moral precepts, animals are denied the choice. They live and die under instincts that are genetically propagated through reproduction, and that regulate their survival while on earth. Human beings do not wear a genetic strait jacket; therefore instincts do not bind human choice. The freedom of human life to accept or reject moral commands that propagate through time identifies that life as moral, and certifies man as a moral agent who is accountable for his actions.
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That thinking is the complete foundation of the whole faith..funny to see how the enemy tries to break down society and call it progress by eliminating moral absolutes...(ie who can say who is right and wrong..-or- it's a persons right to choose...)
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The Moral Code


The biblical account of the origin of this code is interesting. The Old Testament records that it was part of a message initiated by a Supreme Intelligence, and entrusted to the nation of Israel. The partial fulfillment of its many prophecies is contained in the New Testament, which identifies this Intelligence with an eternally existing "Word" that entered the world in the flesh of Jesus Christ. The proof claimed for a divine presence on earth is the bodily resurrection of Christ three days after his public death. The Bible explains that the reason he came to earth was to give human beings a way to enter eternal life. This occurs when the Spirit of this Intelligence enters and reprograms whoever will personally commit himself to Christ's message and, therefore, to Christ. In so doing Christ becomes their Passport into eternity. Such hope is inaccessible to the animals and is available only to a life form capable of receiving and transmitting absolute truth through generations of its existence. We are this life form.

Christ testified that he came from a perfect world that existed beyond this one, and established his credibility by bodily returning from the grave. In view of the importance of his message we might think that its rejection would rest on logical inconsistencies or a fraudulent credential. But this is not the case. Honest inquiry has shown Christ's logic to be impeccable, and recent medical testimony has reaffirmed his death.1 Furthermore, his bodily return from the grave has greater historical warrant than any other known event of the ancient world.2 What's surprising is that whereas his credential is as secure as history can make it, we deny him the identity he claimed. Yet despite this we call him a great teacher. But is it sensible to accept teaching from someone whom we believe is self-deluded? And whom do we call great who doesn't know who he is? Yet in Christ's case, it's done all the time.

What's significant is that he wasn't killed for stealing bread or raping a woman or murdering someone. They killed him because he claimed to be God. Even the judge who condemned Jesus to death publicly stated that he could find nothing wrong with him. But if his message is logically consistent and his credential is historically established, why do most of us reject it? Is the reason for want of proof? Or that we will not have anything seem true that contradicts our passions and affections?

1. Edwards W. et al. On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ JAMA (1986) 255(11):1455 Mar 21.

2. Morison F. Who Moved the Stone? (1971) InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, IL. McDowell J. Evidence That Demands a Verdict (1972) Here's Life Publ., San Bernardino, CA Nichol R. The Resurrection of Yeshua: Did It Really Happen? (1981) Congregation B'nai Maccabim, Chicago and Ruach Israel, Boston (Pamphlet). Anderson J. The Evidence for the Resurrection (1966) InterVarsity Press, Downers Grove, IL (pamphlet); see also full text — Christianity: The Witness of History. Greenleaf S. An Examination of the Testimony of the Four Evangelists by the Rules of Evidence Administered in the Courts of Justice (1847) rep. 1965 Baker Book House.

God's Proof to Mankind


The message is this: The person Jesus — crucified two thousand years ago — is the Incarnation of God, and, therefore, the Christ foretold as coming in Jewish Scriptures. The words and the deeds of Jesus thus become the words and the deeds of God, and identify Christ as the actual saving presence of God on earth.

This means that Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man to enter eternal life, and that his second coming for the Christian is the first glorious coming of Messiah for the Jew. The reason he is able to come a second time is that God bodily raised him from the dead. His resurrection is thus his sole identifying credential, and the "proof" God gave mankind to show that all other beliefs and claims are false .

The Rise of Humanism

Materialism emerged as a popular description of reality in the wake of the Renaissance. At that time, empirical observation and rational thinking became viewed as the only source of truth. The confusion was amplified by a failure to distinguish biblical truths from church traditions. This was followed by clerical disorientation, ecclesiastical intimidation, and theological capitulation. Disorientation occurred when rationalists forced the church to drink the wine of its traditions. Intimidation happened when technological signs strove with Christ to be an object of faith. Capitulation materialized when secular confusion attacked biblical truths using hidden presuppositions. All of this served to fan the flame of secular humanism — a religion that displaces deity with human reason and holds that progress is inevitable, science is invincible, and evolution is indomitable. It thrives because it teaches that man can decide what is evil without God; it is a doctrine that frees human conscience to indulge in fleshly appetites and that feeds human ego with the lie that man is king.
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....."The message is this: The person Jesus — crucified two thousand years ago — is the Incarnation of God, and, therefore, the Christ foretold as coming in Jewish Scriptures. The words and the deeds of Jesus thus become the words and the deeds of God, and identify Christ as the actual saving presence of God on earth.

This means that Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man to enter eternal life, and that his second coming for the Christian is the first glorious coming of Messiah for the Jew. The reason he is able to come a second time is that God bodily raised him from the dead. His resurrection is thus his sole identifying credential, and the "proof" God gave mankind to show that all other beliefs and claims are false .".....


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The materialistic world view fails to account for life itself. We know, for example, that the union of a human sperm and egg precipitates a new living system that then undergoes continuous development into a third human being. But what is the origin of this new life? If, in its entirety, it resides in space and time, was it dispersed throughout the physical world prior to the sperm uniting with the egg? If dispersed, then what property of physical matter preserved its identity? And what distribution nourished its existence? Were there answers to these questions, they would serve to endow physical matter with supernatural qualities.

Or was it newly created at the moment of conception? If we say that, then we are forced to believe that nucleic acids eventually acquire awareness of their own existence when they are mixed. Again we ask: What magic quality of dead physical matter produces this?

Either approach leads us into serious problems. The first picture presents us with countless billions of unseen preexisting space-time life forms that become visible when sperms meet eggs, while the second scenario alleges that batches of chemicals become conscious when they are mixed. These distasteful alternatives arise because we started with a materialistic world view. But there is another world view that avoids these problems.

Consider again a person born blind who has never experienced the color green. One obvious explanation for his or her failing to undergo the mental experience "green" is that "green" resides in a realm outside the physical world of space and time, and that optical defects in the body disable signals into the brain that would give the mind access to that realm. However, this implies that the life in our brain may also reside in that other realm.

If so, then the physical distribution of the brain's gray matter can be understood as an interlocking pathway channeling life from that other realm into the space and time of our world. This would explain why a person born blind could experience life, but not "green." The distribution of gray matter develops within moments of conception, at the region where the sperm meets the egg. Thus the channel would be open from the time of conception. Thereafter, all that changes is the mechanism of physical nourishment, and the means by which oxygen is delivered to metabolize carbohydrate in the cells.

The notion of channeling life from another realm into the space and time of our world is, in concept, not unlike our bringing music into the kitchen by means of a radio tuned to a particular station. In this metaphor, the kitchen is our world, the music is life, and the distant station is the other realm. Music enters the kitchen because the radio is tuned to a particular station. The tuning corresponds to the distribution of gray matter in our brain, serving as a connecting tunnel that links the other realm to our world.

For what purpose have I chosen this illustration? Certainly not to explain life in so simple a fashion as was outlined above. Instead, to show that a materialistic world view is a very limiting outlook. It denies us other options for dealing with the question of consciousness and life. Materialism forces us to view everything in the world in terms of matter and its motion. Stated differently, it explains the living in terms of the dead, and it extols the dead as though it were living.

Theism, however, removes this strait jacket by allowing us to explain life in terms of the living, and the highly organized world in terms of intelligence and design. It allows us to introduce "other realms" in much the same way that a shadow moving on the earth's surface can be explained by an airplane's flying past the sun; or, ripples in a brook can be understood in terms of rocks beneath the surface. Examples abound in which the visible owes its existence to the invisible. Is not a television picture explained in terms of invisible signals through space? And a hydrogen bomb explosion as the annihilation of atomic matter too small to see? In like manner, theism asserts that our world and all that lies within it owes its existence to an eternal Intelligence whose desires are revealed in the Bible, whose designs are displayed in nature, and whose decisions are recorded in history.
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However, this implies that the life in our brain may also reside in that other realm.

If so, then the physical distribution of the brain's gray matter can be understood as an interlocking pathway channeling life from that other realm into the space and time of our world. This would explain why a person born blind could experience life, but not "green." The distribution of gray matter develops within moments of conception, at the region where the sperm meets the egg. Thus the channel would be open from the time of conception. Thereafter, all that changes is the mechanism of physical nourishment, and the means by which oxygen is delivered to metabolize carbohydrate in the cells.

The notion of channeling life from another realm into the space and time of our world is, in concept, not unlike our bringing music into the kitchen by means of a radio tuned to a particular station. In this metaphor, the kitchen is our world, the music is life, and the distant station is the other realm. Music enters the kitchen because the radio is tuned to a particular station. The tuning corresponds to the distribution of gray matter in our brain, serving as a connecting tunnel that links the other realm to our world.



Facinating. Please continue.
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Nice thread developing here, I think to have knowledge of both good and evil there needed to be an opposite of the one, the fallen ones, those who broke away. Without Satan Matrix there can be no duality so a purpose was served.

The cylinder is represented by a spherical standing wave, Jacob wrestled upon that ladder, angels acending and decending, DNA...Lightbeings we are.

Outside time, goes back to where I am, does time exist outside consciousness or does consciousness exist outside time?

Whoever finds the glue in the darkness shall find that which is sought.
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consciousness does exist outside of time!
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This is an amazing thread. I Thank God for you Berean. I had many of these thoughts, but was unable to put them into words the way you have.

God Bless you, Brother! hf
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This is an amazing thread. I Thank God for you Berean. I had many of these thoughts, but was unable to put them into words the way you have.

God Bless you, Brother! hf
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Thank you.
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God is growin up, from spirit to flesh. He be a try8in child...but worth it.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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i am not separated from God anymore
we are One by the Holy Spirit which dwells in me

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This is the door provided by God. This is how our stain is removed.

The gospel is perfect in it's simplicity.
We were created for immortality (the realm above time).
We screwed up due to our own choice, thus we are stuck in this dimension, which is limited in duration.
We can not achieve "escape" on our own because we are confined to this realms constraints.
Only God can repair our relationship.
God provided a way, but only one way.
This "Way" takes faith that God has completed this path.
God rewards faith.
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Sorry Berean, I don't agree with you, even though you think you have all the answers. Separation from the SOURCE is an illusion. There is no separation! It's as close as your face; it's all within.

What's with the physical entity as creator? The "Source" is immense and even created the physical geneticist back there, yes, the Anunnaki.

I also believe time was invented in 3D, not 4D. Man fell through self-judgment. It takes more than faith. It's knowing what you are and how to achieve that freedom from within. It's always available for the asking.
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....."The message is this: The person Jesus — crucified two thousand years ago — is the Incarnation of God, and, therefore, the Christ foretold as coming in Jewish Scriptures. The words and the deeds of Jesus thus become the words and the deeds of God, and identify Christ as the actual saving presence of God on earth.

This means that Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man to enter eternal life, and that his second coming for the Christian is the first glorious coming of Messiah for the Jew. The reason he is able to come a second time is that God bodily raised him from the dead. His resurrection is thus his sole identifying credential, and the "proof" God gave mankind to show that all other beliefs and claims are false .".....


AMEN
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What does the "Christos" personify? How was he able to overcome and gain freedom?
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Exactly.



What's significant is that he wasn't killed for stealing bread or raping a woman or murdering someone. They killed him because he claimed to be God. Even the judge who condemned Jesus to death publicly stated that he could find nothing wrong with him. But if his message is logically consistent and his credential is historically established, why do most of us reject it? Is the reason for want of proof? Or that we will not have anything seem true that contradicts our passions and affections?


Watch what happens to a person that claims to be Christ. It would still happen today.
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Sorry Berean, I don't agree with you, even though you think you have all the answers. Separation from the SOURCE is an illusion. There is no separation! It's as close as your face; it's all within.

What's with the physical entity as creator? The "Source" is immense and even created the physical geneticist back there, yes, the Anunnaki.

I also believe time was invented in 3D, not 4D. Man fell through self-judgment. It takes more than faith. It's knowing what you are and how to achieve that freedom from within. It's always available for the asking.
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Sorry bro, I don't think I know all the answers. I do enjoy trading thoughts with someone intelligent enough to think for themselves.

If we are not seperated from God, why is there evil in mans heart?
If God is all, why is there death in the world?
If we are god, there is no need for a savior. Can you stave off death? Can you add one hour to your life?
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..glad to see this thread back again.


Thanks Gradient. Last thought for the day.

It is the capacity of human life to receive, supply and transmit the "word," as recorded through the generations, that separates us from all other known life forms and gives us dominion over the planet earth. It's fascinating that the divine imprint of this ability was foreshadowed thousands of years ago in the opening chapter of the Bible. Genesis chapter 1, verse 26, declares that man is made in the image of God; verse 1 of the first chapter of John's Gospel states that the Word was God and became incarnate in the person of Christ. Thus we find man's unique image, namely, the "word," identified by the Bible with the Creator. Furthermore, the same Bible verse that says man is made in God's image also teaches that man will have dominion over planet earth. What unique distinction gives man his commanding position over all other life forms? Is it not his capacity to transmit information through time and receive the distillation of thousands of years of prior knowledge into the present?

This means that the very attribute identified by John's Gospel with God, namely the Word, is found to be possessed by man as the very attribute separating human life from the animal kingdom.

Eternity

Thus man's regal distinction, the unique human quality that positions us in absolute disunion from all other known forms of life, is a divine imprint, a consecration, as it were, with eternity in view by virtue of an absolute code of moral rules that self-evince Authority over human behavior under the penalty of eternal judgment. Such hope is inaccessible to animals. It is available only to a life form capable of receiving and transmitting absolute truth through generations of its existence. We are this life form.

So whereas man can refuse moral precepts, animals are denied the choice. They live and die under instincts that are genetically propagated through reproduction, and that regulate their survival while on earth. Human beings do not wear a genetic strait jacket; therefore instincts do not bind human choice. The freedom of human life to accept or reject moral commands that propagate through time identifies that life as moral, and certifies man as a moral agent who is accountable for his actions.
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Oh blah. The written word took away man's ability to be one with nature. Why do you think symbols are necessary? Before the WORD, man could commune with the "higher essence" one on one. It wasn't until after the fall(lower dimension) that everything was named and language was born. BABBLE! I believe there has been more than one fall.
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Sorry Berean, I don't agree with you, even though you think you have all the answers. Separation from the SOURCE is an illusion. There is no separation! It's as close as your face; it's all within.

What's with the physical entity as creator? The "Source" is immense and even created the physical geneticist back there, yes, the Anunnaki.

I also believe time was invented in 3D, not 4D. Man fell through self-judgment. It takes more than faith. It's knowing what you are and how to achieve that freedom from within. It's always available for the asking.


Sorry bro, I don't think I know all the answers. I do enjoy trading thoughts with someone intelligent enough to think for themselves.

If we are not seperated from God, why is there evil in mans heart?
If God is all, why is there death in the world?
If we are god, there is no need for a savior. Can you stave off death? Can you add one hour to your life?
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Oh, now I feel horrible. Sorry, Berean! There is no evil, Berean. There is only a lack of compassion or love. Love neutralizes the darkness. WE HAVE FREEDOM of choice as you stated.

OUR SAVIOR has been within all along! I absolutely do believe in the "HIGHER(Christ)CONSCIOUSNESS, because I've experienced it. It takes a total act of surrender to a higher power.

No one knows why people choose a path of suffering or why there is so much death. That is for them to know and go on, either in this world or the next. Nothing ever dies.

Our life is our choice as death is our choice too.
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Exactly.



What's significant is that he wasn't killed for stealing bread or raping a woman or murdering someone. They killed him because he claimed to be God. Even the judge who condemned Jesus to death publicly stated that he could find nothing wrong with him. But if his message is logically consistent and his credential is historically established, why do most of us reject it? Is the reason for want of proof? Or that we will not have anything seem true that contradicts our passions and affections?


Watch what happens to a person that claims to be Christ. It would still happen today.
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Interesting how you include yourself in the group that reject it. Rhetorical error?
The way of salvation provided by Christ is incredibly simple to grasp intellectually. You are correct. It's the heart that is the block.
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Why do some people have a spiritual experience and others don't? They asked.
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If you carefully read Genesis, there is some confusion as to the first male/female and then man/woman was created. Male/female were ONE. There was no split or separation and then God created man/woman in his own image...again. Another creator?
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Oh blah. The written word took away man's ability to be one with nature. Why do you think symbols are necessary? Before the WORD, man could commune with the "higher essence" one on one. It wasn't until after the fall(lower dimension) that everything was named and language was born. BABBLE! I believe there has been more than one fall.
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Please elaborate how an alphabet has destroyed mans ability to be "one with nature".
By what authority or source do you base your beliefs?
This "higher essence" what are it's attributes in your opinion?





GLP