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Berean  (OP)

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If you carefully read Genesis, there is some confusion as to the first male/female and then man/woman was created. Male/female were ONE. There was no split or separation and then God created man/woman in his own image...again. Another creator?
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Interesting.
Please show the scripture where "Male/female were ONE. There was no split or separation and then God created man/woman in his own image...again."
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Oh, now I feel horrible. Sorry, Berean! There is no evil, Berean. There is only a lack of compassion or love. Love neutralizes the darkness. WE HAVE FREEDOM of choice as you stated.

OUR SAVIOR has been within all along! I absolutely do believe in the "HIGHER(Christ)CONSCIOUSNESS, because I've experienced it. It takes a total act of surrender to a higher power.

No one knows why people choose a path of suffering or why there is so much death. That is for them to know and go on, either in this world or the next. Nothing ever dies.

Our life is our choice as death is our choice too.
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May you choose wisely.

Peace
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LOVE THIS THREAD>>>>>!!! TIMELY FOR SURE> thanks for posting this ..!


A spotless Lamb was provided for US So that WE wouldn't have to be sacrificed and be kept apart from GOD for eternity....AS shown through Abraham who was sent out to sacrifice his son...But instead God provided a lamb for him to sacrifice...Jesus is the lamb...

Sin separated us When ADAM and EVE fell....God banned them from His presence.....BUT he was not going to give up on them humans....He had a plan... Talking to men kind was not working anymore because SIN was taking over after men were banished from the GARDEN>>....So God Took matters into HIS own hands but before HE Did HE foretold of his doing (Read the Torah/old testament in its original Hebraic nature)...The miracles That Jesus fulfilled were the same ones that God foretold to us(Mankind) about and those that kept HIS LAW(Ten commandments) BY Faith did so... So Then Godhimself stepped into our realm(mortal earth)was born as Jesus in a stable(cute like lamb)Experienced what humans experience here on earth BUT did not SIN... A spotless lamb (JESUS) was offered up for sacrifice instead of you and I... JESUS said It is FINISHED... goes back to be with the FATHER creator and HE Is still part of THE FATHER just like HE WAS BEFORE HE came to GAP what SIN had divided..He did not leave us alone yet gave us another part of himself.. the Holy Spirit....NOW its our choice..receive the Holy Spirit by accepting that CHRIST died for our sins or don't its our own personal choice...

just like in the old testament God foretold of His coming to save us from Sin... so HE tells us again through the New testament that HE is coming To save US from HIS exploding wrath on sin/unrighteous/Satan and his dominions.... and all it takes is faith ...those that by Faith acquired the Holy Spirit will for ever be in the presence of GOD when all has been said and done....

Blessed are those that Do not see Yet believe for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven...
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Oh blah. The written word took away man's ability to be one with nature. Why do you think symbols are necessary? Before the WORD, man could commune with the "higher essence" one on one. It wasn't until after the fall(lower dimension) that everything was named and language was born. BABBLE! I believe there has been more than one fall.


Please elaborate how an alphabet has destroyed mans ability to be "one with nature".
By what authority or source do you base your beliefs?
This "higher essence" what are it's attributes in your opinion?
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YOur true essence is your connection to the "Source". IT's the true you that is accessed when the pineal gland is activated through the raising of your frequency or vibration.

Have you read "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsh? I believe he is communicating with his true essence or higher self. My favorite is "Family of LIght" by Barbera Marciniak.

Everyone is on their own path, but the church doesn't teach that we each are capable of communing with the "Source" or true essence within.
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Thanks for the bumps and all the interesting input about man's origin and our destiny. I think your/our destiny is interwoven with your views of origins.
What's really at issue in the question of man's origin is the source of the informational specification that organizes the atomic parts into a life-support system, Earth. For example, suppose you were to get into your car and I were to instruct you how to reach a particular location in the middle of our country. I might write out seventeen pages of instructions containing much information. Someone else might say to you: "I can get you there a much easier way. All you have to do is turn right — whenever you're in doubt, just turn right." Impressed by these simple instructions, you put them to the test. But very quickly you realize that you're driving around in a circle.

Angry over the time you've wasted, you turn to the seventeen-page specification.

To be sure, these instructions are very complicated and they contain much information, whereas the other specification, "Turn right," had hardly any information at all. But the complex set of instructions successfully functions to direct you where you need to go. This simple example crudely illustrates the kind of problem we must address in our search for insight into origins. Natural processes are limited and the only specification they can ever produce is, figuratively speaking, "Turn right." But to explain the origin of the world and the complexity of patterns within it, we have to explain the origin of a set of extended instructions — specifications, figuratively speaking, that can take us to "the center of the country."

One pattern we find on earth is life itself. In the past two decades, science has uncovered bits and pieces of life's blueprint that we have begun to analyze with new and powerful mathematical tools. What they tell us is that in looking to nature for the source of life, we've been driving around in circles. Careful studies of the vast magnitude of complexity uncovered by electron microscopes probing living cells indicate that natural forces acting in the time and space of the universe are inadequate to explain the information revealed, and that a Supreme Intelligence is the only known logical explanation for what we see. Simply put, materialism is an inadequate world view to explain what modern tools have disclosed. A similar viewpoint has been expressed by a biochemist who won the Nobel Prize for discovering DNA in 1953. His answer is that we may have been planted here by a supercivilization out among the stars.18 Aside from there not being one shred of physical evidence to support such a view, the question of where they came from is unanswered.

The Bible teaches that the world was created by a Super Intellect, whom it identifies as God. This is consistent with the simplified earlier example with salt and pepper, and the need for an intellect to create functionally coherent patterns by performing acts of separation. If salt and pepper are thoroughly mixed, there is no pattern. A pattern is created by a person or an observer — an intellect — observing specks of black pepper and separating them from pieces of white salt. Intelligence can create complex patterns this way.

An application of this principle might be one of the very valuable original Rembrandt paintings. Rembrandt took colors and, after separating them, located them in different strengths at different places on a canvas. In other words, Rembrandt created complex patterns (paintings) for which he became famous. He was a person, an intellect. Only thus could he create timeless and world-acclaimed art patterns. In recent times some have tried to produce "art" by randomly throwing paint blobs against a canvas. It's fair to say that these efforts have proven much less successful.

Or consider a seamstress who makes a dress; she uses the same basic principles. First, she takes cloth and separates it into different shapes. She then proceeds to sew the pieces together, thereby creating a "grand pattern" (possibly copied from another pattern) out of all of the separate shapes. The dress she creates in this way "functions" to fit a person of a particular size and shape and the reason is that intelligence designed it that way. But had the separate shapes been assembled at random, the dress would have turned into a cloth of dubious value.

Or consider yet another example. Before you write a letter with a ballpoint pen, all the ink is located within the pen. But after you write the letter, some of the previously-pooled ink has been separated from the pen and is now located onto paper. Thus, letter-writing does two things: It separates ink and forms a complex pattern over the sheet of paper, and it creates information in terms of the relationship of the symbols to one another. The information contained in the complex pattern on the sheet came from your intellect creating letters by separating and then distributing ink across the paper. Moreover, by organizing the letters into words and the words into sentences, the "complexity" of the ink pattern increased.

The message or information in your letter is the pattern of ink that exists across the sheet. But were your letter exposed to the elements by accidentally dropping it onto the sidewalk, or inadvertently leaving it on a park bench, nature would undo your letter-writing. Natural forces will act over time to "mix" the ink on the paper and destroy the pattern, and the information created when you wrote the letter. The point is this: Nature is a destroyer of patterns and, therefore, of information.

Were we to examine the pattern displayed by a complex rock formation and then return to the same place many years later, we would discover that natural forces had eroded the formation and dissipated the pattern. This simple example, like so many others, is in agreement with the facts of science, and shows that random, chance processes erode rather than create complex patterns. Natural processes are, therefore, a poor explanation for the complex patterns of this world. These patterns are better explained as the product of Intellect.

It is more logical to believe that planet earth functions to sustain life because it was designed to do so. This is the best explanation because it aligns with all of the facts as we know them. If we inquire into the origin of the Intelligence who designed earth, that's a different question — but we have answered the question as to earth's origin. If we speculate that this intelligence resides among the stars in the form of say, some supercivilization, then we ask: "What is its origin?" Conversely, if we say that God designed the earth, then to inquire into his origin is an entirely different matter. The reason is that "God" belongs to a different category, i.e., supercivilizations have life, whereas God is life.

Were we foolish enough to inquire into the origin of "God," we would first need to presume that our inquiry was meaningful — that "God" had an origin. If we somehow pass this hurdle, we must next assume that our minds are capable of comprehending the answer. In this case killifish have a better chance of learning the origin of manmade satellites falling into the ocean.

It seems all that can be said with sobriety is that intelligences (you and I) exist on earth. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to suppose that we originated from a higher Intelligence. This is much more logical than to suppose we came from dead dust.

I'm off to the airport. Thanks to those who have an intrest here and I hope to chat with you later.

Peace
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Berean Wanna be.. Hush now... you dont make sense...

I really like hearing what The REAL Berean and Little star have to say....


now mr wanna be start your own thread ok??

thanks
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Berean, 4 questions

What is the single most important bit of info you believe to tell?

Do you believe in the rapture?

How do the joo's play their roll in this cosmic drama, if any?

I need proof. Got any?
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Berean, that was great and I love the salt and pepper analogy, because that sums it up, doesn't it? SEPARATION. The soul feels it, but to contemplate the origin of SOURCE? No way. I won't go there and it doesn't MATTER to me. The only fact we can be sure of is that there IS a CONSCIOUSNESS and we each have an intelligent consciousness. So therefore, there must be an intelligent, compassionate consciousness that moves through all and we can commune with that higher consciousness, one on one. Some call it the "true essence" or true "you." The Egyptians called it the "KA". Our own navigator that guides us through life. The more compassion we have in our heart, the higher our vibration or frequency. I believe it was SOUND that brought us into being...in the beginning.
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Berean, even though I've disagreed with some of your opinions, I have a lot of respect for you. I feel you have experienced a "higher consciousness?"

I don't see how time originated in 4D. Time in 3D did not begin until the invention of the calender.
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SEX ABUSE SPANS THE SPECTRUM OF CHURCHES.

By Mark Clayton | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers.

These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide.

CMR's annual surveys of about 1,000 churches nationwide have asked about sexual abuse since 1993. They're a remarkable window on a problem that lurked largely in the shadows of public awareness until the Catholic scandals arose.

The surveys suggest that over the past decade, the pace of child-abuse allegations against American churches has averaged 70 a week. The surveys registered a slight downward trend in reported abuse starting in 1997, possibly a result of the introduction of preventive measures by churches.

"I think the CMR numbers are striking, yet quite reasonable," says Anson Shupe, anIndiana University professor who's written books about church abuse. "To me it says Protestants are less reluctant to come forward because they don't put their clergy on as high a pedestal as Catholics do with their priests."

At least 70 incidents a week

Dr. Shupe suggests the 70 allegations-per-week figure actually could be higher, because underreporting is common. He discovered this in 1998 while going door to door in Dallas-Ft. Worth communities where he asked 1,607 families if they'd experienced abuse from those within their church. Nearly 4 percent said they had been victims of sexual abuse by clergy. Child sexual abuse was part of that, but not broken out, he says.

James Cobble, executive director of CMR, who oversees the survey, says the data show that child sex-abuse happens broadly across all denominations– and that clergy aren't the major offenders.

"The Catholics have gotten all the attention from the media, but this problem is even greater with the Protestant churches simply because of their far larger numbers," he says.

Of the 350,000 churches in the US, 19,500 – 5 percent – are Roman Catholic. Catholic churches represent a slightly smaller minority of churches in the CMR surveys which aren't scientifically random, but "representative" demographic samples of churches, Dr. Cobble explains.

Since 1993, on average about 1 percent of the surveyed churches reported abuse allegations annually. That means on average, about 3,500 allegations annually, or nearly 70 per among the predominantly Protestant group, Cobble says.

The CMR findings also reveal:

• Most church child-sexual-abuse cases involve a single victim.

• Law suits or out-of-court settlements were a result in 21 percent of the allegations reported in the 2000 survey.

• Volunteers are more likely than clergy or paid staff to be abusers. Perhaps more startling, children at churches are accused of sexual abuse as often as are clergy and staff. In 1999, for example, 42 percent of alleged child abusers were volunteers – about 25 percent were paid staff members (including clergy) and 25 percent were other children.

Still, it is the reduction of reported allegations over nine years that seems to indicate that some churches are learning how to slow abuse allegations with tough new prevention measures, say insurance company officials and church officials themselves.

The peak year for allegations was 1994, with 3 percent of churches reporting an allegation of sexual misconduct compared with just 0.1 percent in 2000. But 2001 data, indicates a swing back to the 1 percent level, still significantly less than the 1993 figures, Cobble says.

Child sexual-abuse insurance claims have slowed, too, industry sources say.

Hugh White, vice president of marketing for Brotherhood Mutual Insurance, in Ft. Wayne, Ind., suggests that the amount of abuse reported in the CMR 2001 data is reasonable though "at the higher end" of the scale.

Mr. White's company insures 30,000 churches – about 0.2 percent to 0.3 percent of which annually report an "incident" of child sexual abuse. But he says that his churches are more highly educated on child abuse prevention procedures than most, which may account for a lower rate of reported abuse than the CMR surveys.

What all the data show is a settling that followed "a large spike" in the frequency and severity of church sexual misconduct claims from the mid-1980s, White says.

"Church insurance carriers implemented educational programs and policies that have helped decrease and then stabilize the trend," agrees Jan Beckstrom, chief operating officer for the church insurer GuideOne Insurance in West Des Moines, Iowa.

CMR surveys also show many smaller churches have lagged in starting such programs, while larger churches with more resources and management controls have led the way. And for good reason: They have more to lose, and a larger abuse problem.

"I don't know of a church that isn't doing this," says Simeon May, of the Richardson, Tex.-based National Association of Church Business Administration, which gives training for large churches with administrators.

At Grace Community Church in Tempe, Ariz., the executive pastor, Gary Maitha, says his church has adopted a tougher sort of love since 2000. That's when criminal background checks, finger printing, detailed questionnaires, and careful policies – such as never having children and adults "one-on-one" – kicked into gear. It's a necessity with 700 to 800 children showing up for Sunday School and many more for other church activities during the week, he says.

"We have fingerprinting and a criminal background check for anyone over age 18 that works with children," says the Rev. Maitha. "If it comes back with a blemish, they're not working with kids. That's all there is to it."

Debby DeBernardi, director of Grace Community's children's ministry, says church policies require, for instance, that adults go in pairs when supervising bathroom breaks for children and that they check to ensure no adults are in the bathrooms, before children enter.

Fingerprints for Sunday school

Men who've been screened and fingerprinted may work in the nursery
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Berean, that was great and I love the salt and pepper analogy, because that sums it up, doesn't it? SEPARATION. The soul feels it, but to contemplate the origin of SOURCE? No way. I won't go there and it doesn't MATTER to me. The only fact we can be sure of is that there IS a CONSCIOUSNESS and we each have an intelligent consciousness. So therefore, there must be an intelligent, compassionate consciousness that moves through all and we can commune with that higher consciousness, one on one. Some call it the "true essence" or true "you." The Egyptians called it the "KA". Our own navigator that guides us through life. The more compassion we have in our heart, the higher our vibration or frequency. I believe it was SOUND that brought us into being...in the beginning.

Berean, even though I've disagreed with some of your opinions, I have a lot of respect for you. I feel you have experienced a "higher consciousness?"

I don't see how time originated in 4D. Time in 3D did not begin until the invention of the calender.
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Thank you for your kind words.
You are correct that there is separation of the soul and the "source". You also appear to be a very intelligent and compassionate human being.
We can at least agree that there is a source.
We also seem to agree that there is a disconnect between us and the source who is as you say,"an intelligent, compassionate consciousness that moves through all".
Would it be logical to you that the source has created a way to be re-connected?
Would it be also logical that this connection be a result of free-will by the created rather that some winding non-ending path without rules?(The created world is full of rules)

Without quoting too much scripture, you are very correct that the universe was created with "sound". The bible calls this the "Word". Even modern physics has shown that matter is energy bound up in a "frequency".

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it. .......................
10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent,[c] nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Peace to you 403022.
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LOVE THIS THREAD>>>>>!!! TIMELY FOR SURE> thanks for posting this ..!


A spotless Lamb was provided for US So that WE wouldn't have to be sacrificed and be kept apart from GOD for eternity....AS shown through Abraham who was sent out to sacrifice his son...But instead God provided a lamb for him to sacrifice...Jesus is the lamb...

Sin separated us When ADAM and EVE fell....God banned them from His presence.....BUT he was not going to give up on them humans....He had a plan... Talking to men kind was not working anymore because SIN was taking over after men were banished from the GARDEN>>....So God Took matters into HIS own hands but before HE Did HE foretold of his doing (Read the Torah/old testament in its original Hebraic nature)...The miracles That Jesus fulfilled were the same ones that God foretold to us(Mankind) about and those that kept HIS LAW(Ten commandments) BY Faith did so... So Then Godhimself stepped into our realm(mortal earth)was born as Jesus in a stable(cute like lamb)Experienced what humans experience here on earth BUT did not SIN... A spotless lamb (JESUS) was offered up for sacrifice instead of you and I... JESUS said It is FINISHED... goes back to be with the FATHER creator and HE Is still part of THE FATHER just like HE WAS BEFORE HE came to GAP what SIN had divided..He did not leave us alone yet gave us another part of himself.. the Holy Spirit....NOW its our choice..receive the Holy Spirit by accepting that CHRIST died for our sins or don't its our own personal choice...

just like in the old testament God foretold of His coming to save us from Sin... so HE tells us again through the New testament that HE is coming To save US from HIS exploding wrath on sin/unrighteous/Satan and his dominions.... and all it takes is faith ...those that by Faith acquired the Holy Spirit will for ever be in the presence of GOD when all has been said and done....

Blessed are those that Do not see Yet believe for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven...
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good thread. hope to "resurrect".
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"We actually live in a “Matrix”. We move around in this dimension like the ones in the movie, oblivious to reality. Few realize that all we are, are particles composed of opposite charges. Energy bound up in a sub-atomic, cosmic dance. Scientists have no idea of this “force” holding our reality together. Like the movie, our reality is flawed. We are unwinding. Slaves to entropy.
Trapped.
Our corruption is not compatible with the creator. His nature will not allow corruption. This is why we are stuck here. We are here not of our own choice (that choice was made for us long ago) but we are here none the less. Being here we are “infected with it’s stench”.

In this realm, we have three dimensions that we observe. We are also told that “time” is the 4th D. God, being out of our restrictions, sees our 4 D’s as one lump. Beginning to end, and all in between. Imagine your life as a cylinder, with your birth and death as each end of this cylinder.
Now imagine God seeing all of the universe from beginning to end, outside our reality as a cylinder held in His hand."
OP

.................................

I guess in a way, Christians can "see" the matrix like NEO. We know that this life is but a second long compared with the endless eternity.
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The Bible teaches that the world was created by a Super Intellect, whom it identifies as God. This is consistent with the simplified earlier example with salt and pepper, and the need for an intellect to create functionally coherent patterns by performing acts of separation. If salt and pepper are thoroughly mixed, there is no pattern. A pattern is created by a person or an observer — an intellect — observing specks of black pepper and separating them from pieces of white salt. Intelligence can create complex patterns this way.

An application of this principle might be one of the very valuable original Rembrandt paintings. Rembrandt took colors and, after separating them, located them in different strengths at different places on a canvas. In other words, Rembrandt created complex patterns (paintings) for which he became famous. He was a person, an intellect. Only thus could he create timeless and world-acclaimed art patterns. In recent times some have tried to produce "art" by randomly throwing paint blobs against a canvas. It's fair to say that these efforts have proven much less successful.

Or consider a seamstress who makes a dress; she uses the same basic principles. First, she takes cloth and separates it into different shapes. She then proceeds to sew the pieces together, thereby creating a "grand pattern" (possibly copied from another pattern) out of all of the separate shapes. The dress she creates in this way "functions" to fit a person of a particular size and shape and the reason is that intelligence designed it that way. But had the separate shapes been assembled at random, the dress would have turned into a cloth of dubious value.

Or consider yet another example. Before you write a letter with a ballpoint pen, all the ink is located within the pen. But after you write the letter, some of the previously-pooled ink has been separated from the pen and is now located onto paper. Thus, letter-writing does two things: It separates ink and forms a complex pattern over the sheet of paper, and it creates information in terms of the relationship of the symbols to one another. The information contained in the complex pattern on the sheet came from your intellect creating letters by separating and then distributing ink across the paper. Moreover, by organizing the letters into words and the words into sentences, the "complexity" of the ink pattern increased.

The message or information in your letter is the pattern of ink that exists across the sheet. But were your letter exposed to the elements by accidentally dropping it onto the sidewalk, or inadvertently leaving it on a park bench, nature would undo your letter-writing. Natural forces will act over time to "mix" the ink on the paper and destroy the pattern, and the information created when you wrote the letter. The point is this: Nature is a destroyer of patterns and, therefore, of information.

Were we to examine the pattern displayed by a complex rock formation and then return to the same place many years later, we would discover that natural forces had eroded the formation and dissipated the pattern. This simple example, like so many others, is in agreement with the facts of science, and shows that random, chance processes erode rather than create complex patterns. Natural processes are, therefore, a poor explanation for the complex patterns of this world. These patterns are better explained as the product of Intellect.

It is more logical to believe that planet earth functions to sustain life because it was designed to do so. This is the best explanation because it aligns with all of the facts as we know them. If we inquire into the origin of the Intelligence who designed earth, that's a different question — but we have answered the question as to earth's origin. If we speculate that this intelligence resides among the stars in the form of say, some supercivilization, then we ask: "What is its origin?" Conversely, if we say that God designed the earth, then to inquire into his origin is an entirely different matter. The reason is that "God" belongs to a different category, i.e., supercivilizations have life, whereas God is life.

Were we foolish enough to inquire into the origin of "God," we would first need to presume that our inquiry was meaningful — that "God" had an origin. If we somehow pass this hurdle, we must next assume that our minds are capable of comprehending the answer. In this case killifish have a better chance of learning the origin of manmade satellites falling into the ocean.

It seems all that can be said with sobriety is that intelligences (you and I) exist on earth. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to suppose that we originated from a higher Intelligence. This is much more logical than to suppose we came from dead dust.

I'm off to the airport. Thanks to those who have an intrest here and I hope to chat with you later.

Peace
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Sorry I don't have time to read all the post, but feel free to email me. Ask and you shall seek.
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The Bible teaches that the world was created by a Super Intellect, whom it identifies as God. This is consistent with the simplified earlier example with salt and pepper, and the need for an intellect to create functionally coherent patterns by performing acts of separation. If salt and pepper are thoroughly mixed, there is no pattern. A pattern is created by a person or an observer — an intellect — observing specks of black pepper and separating them from pieces of white salt. Intelligence can create complex patterns this way.

An application of this principle might be one of the very valuable original Rembrandt paintings. Rembrandt took colors and, after separating them, located them in different strengths at different places on a canvas. In other words, Rembrandt created complex patterns (paintings) for which he became famous. He was a person, an intellect. Only thus could he create timeless and world-acclaimed art patterns. In recent times some have tried to produce "art" by randomly throwing paint blobs against a canvas. It's fair to say that these efforts have proven much less successful.

Or consider a seamstress who makes a dress; she uses the same basic principles. First, she takes cloth and separates it into different shapes. She then proceeds to sew the pieces together, thereby creating a "grand pattern" (possibly copied from another pattern) out of all of the separate shapes. The dress she creates in this way "functions" to fit a person of a particular size and shape and the reason is that intelligence designed it that way. But had the separate shapes been assembled at random, the dress would have turned into a cloth of dubious value.

Or consider yet another example. Before you write a letter with a ballpoint pen, all the ink is located within the pen. But after you write the letter, some of the previously-pooled ink has been separated from the pen and is now located onto paper. Thus, letter-writing does two things: It separates ink and forms a complex pattern over the sheet of paper, and it creates information in terms of the relationship of the symbols to one another. The information contained in the complex pattern on the sheet came from your intellect creating letters by separating and then distributing ink across the paper. Moreover, by organizing the letters into words and the words into sentences, the "complexity" of the ink pattern increased.

The message or information in your letter is the pattern of ink that exists across the sheet. But were your letter exposed to the elements by accidentally dropping it onto the sidewalk, or inadvertently leaving it on a park bench, nature would undo your letter-writing. Natural forces will act over time to "mix" the ink on the paper and destroy the pattern, and the information created when you wrote the letter. The point is this: Nature is a destroyer of patterns and, therefore, of information.

Were we to examine the pattern displayed by a complex rock formation and then return to the same place many years later, we would discover that natural forces had eroded the formation and dissipated the pattern. This simple example, like so many others, is in agreement with the facts of science, and shows that random, chance processes erode rather than create complex patterns. Natural processes are, therefore, a poor explanation for the complex patterns of this world. These patterns are better explained as the product of Intellect.

It is more logical to believe that planet earth functions to sustain life because it was designed to do so. This is the best explanation because it aligns with all of the facts as we know them. If we inquire into the origin of the Intelligence who designed earth, that's a different question — but we have answered the question as to earth's origin. If we speculate that this intelligence resides among the stars in the form of say, some supercivilization, then we ask: "What is its origin?" Conversely, if we say that God designed the earth, then to inquire into his origin is an entirely different matter. The reason is that "God" belongs to a different category, i.e., supercivilizations have life, whereas God is life.

Were we foolish enough to inquire into the origin of "God," we would first need to presume that our inquiry was meaningful — that "God" had an origin. If we somehow pass this hurdle, we must next assume that our minds are capable of comprehending the answer. In this case killifish have a better chance of learning the origin of manmade satellites falling into the ocean.

It seems all that can be said with sobriety is that intelligences (you and I) exist on earth. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to suppose that we originated from a higher Intelligence. This is much more logical than to suppose we came from dead dust.

I'm off to the airport. Thanks to those who have an intrest here and I hope to chat with you later.

Peace
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I guess in a way, Christians can "see" the matrix like NEO. We know that this life is but a second long compared with the endless eternity.
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As a child of mine, you have equal importance with the life of Jesus that Christian religions exalt as perfect in my eyes, and you have equal importance with the soul who is causing misery and death. There are equal amounts of my powers and love within every soul who is born into a body you recognize or a body you do not recognize or a body you cannot even conceive of in appearance. Yet, you wish me to see something that doesn't exist beyond the view of me on Earth, that I am only a loving and merciful God.

With equal aspects of what you think of as good and what you decry as evil, how can I be except what I am? In one stage of my Totality, I was purely light and love. Then parts of my creations descended into the darkness, but they were nonetheless inseparable parts of my whole. And thus they remain.

That is why I cannot give you the answer that you wish in your heart, dear child, that I am saddened and appalled by the injustice and brutality. Nor can I say that I am gladdened only by what I see of the light being spread on Earth. I can reply only as the amalgamation of the two sides of each soul. Each soul has its potential for goodness and darkness, or godliness as it was in the Beginning and the evil, as you see it, in motion. My child, can you relate to what I am in all truth telling you?

There is resistance to who I am in "entirety" anywhere religions prevail. First, I AM that I AM. And what I AM is what you and countless – so I shall say that I am the countless beings who have lived in any form in any place within this universe in any speck of time since its Beginning.

I am not a separate oversoul – or parent, if you will – who can see my likeness in a child of myself but am disappointed when the child doesn’t grow into my measurements of good or bad. I have no such measurements for my children! There is that energy balancing of the polar opposites light and darkness, and that’s as good as any differentiation for the two opposing forces.

Those opposing forces keep the universe spinning, so they are not soon to be changed from their oppositeness or everything would go haywire. As for souls, like everything else in the universe, they are energy, my original light energy as I was co-created by Creator and the highest angelic realm.

I am each person who is judged in such poor light by others who cannot know the heart and soul of that single one. None of you on Earth is connected in awareness at soul level, so your judgments can be quite off kilter insofar as a particular soul's purpose in this lifetime. Each agreed to play his or her part in the balancing act.

Do I WISH that all of my parts were within the light in which I was created? Yes! Who would not wish that perfection of Creator to be returned!
But I do not hold forth condemnation or punishment to any faltering part of me. I am here to respond to what you call prayers of the "godly" just as I am bound by the laws of Creator that are set up within the parameters of my operating powers if the choice made is not within the light. Do you see?
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it took awhile,but this post started by GOD?

hf
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My Central Message

I convey this message to you whom I have stirred with the sound of my voice. These words are my signature. You may bring your doubt, your fear, your faith, or your courage; it matters not, for you will be touched by the rhythm of my voice. It moves through you like a beam of light that sweeps – if only for a moment – the darkness aside.

I dwell in a frequency of light in which finite beings cannot uncover me. If you search for me, you will fail. I am not found or discovered. I am only realized in oneness, unity, and wholeness. It is the very same oneness that you feel when you are interconnected with all of life, for I am this and this alone. I am all of life. If you must search for me, then practice the feeling of wholeness and unity.

In my deepest light I created you from my desire to understand my universe. You are my emissaries. You are free to journey the universe of universes as particles from my infinite womb with destinies that you alone will write. I do not prescribe your journey or your journey’s aim. I only accompany you. I do not pull you this way or that, nor do I punish you when you stray from my heart. This I do as an outcome of my belief in you.

You are the heirs of my light, which gave you form. It is my voice that awakened you to individuality, but it will be your will that awakens you to our unity. It is your desire to know me as your self that brings you to my presence so perfectly hidden from your world. I am behind everything that you see, hear, touch, taste, smell, feel, and believe.

I live for your discovery of me. It is the highest expression of my love for you, and while you search for my shadows in the stories of your world, I, the indelible, invisible light, grow increasingly visible. Imagine the furthest point in space – beneath a black portal, cast in some distant galaxy, and then multiply this distance by the highest numeric value you know. Congratulations, you have measured an atom of my body.

Do you realize how I am unfathomable? I am not what you can know, or see, or understand. I am outside comprehension. My vastness makes me invisible and unavoidable. There is nowhere you can be without me. My absence does not exist. It is this very nature that makes me unique. I am First Cause and Last Effect connected in an undivided chain.

There is no supplication that stirs me. No prayer that invites me further into your world unless it is attended with the feeling of unity and wholeness. There is no temple or sacred object that touches me. They do not, nor have they ever brought you closer to my outstretched hand. My presence in your world is unalterable for I am the sanctuary of both the cosmos and the one soul inside you.

I could awaken each of you in this very moment to our unity, but there is a larger design – a more comprehensive vision – that places you in the boundaries of time and the spatial dimensions of separateness. This design requires a progression into my wholeness that reacquaints you with our unity through the experience of separation. Your awakening, while slow and sometimes painful, is assured, and this you must trust above all else.

I am the ancestral father of all creation. I am a personality that lives inside each of you as a vibration that emanates from all parts of your existence. I reside in this dimension as your beacon. If you follow this vibration, if you place it at the core of your journey, you will contact my personality that lives beneath the particles of your existence.

I am not to be feared or held in indifference. My presence is immediate, tangible, and real. You are now in my presence. Hear my words. You are in my presence. You are within me more than I am within you. You are the veneer of my mind and heart, and yet you think yourself the product of an ape. You are so much more than you realize.

Our union was, is, and will be forevermore. You are my blessed offspring with whom I am intricately connected in means that you cannot understand and therefore appreciate. You must suspend your belief and disbelief in what you cannot sense, in exchange for your knowing that I am real and live within you. This is my central message to all my offspring. Hear it well, for in it you may find the place in which I dwell.
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it took awhile,but this post started by GOD?

hf
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wisdom is knowlege-knowledge is wison

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i actually had to post this;i had it in my head a few mintures

ago.i looked throuh my history went through 10 threads
found this post.to it you to u in the present
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instead of This thread started by aliens?

its This post started by GOD?

that couple quaota's i posted here :)





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