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BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames

 
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BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
The Senate Judiciary Committee has officially subpoenaed Paul Manafort this morning, according to an official statement on the committee’s website. The reasoning: Manafort was only willing to produce one transcribed interview to all of Congress, which the committee says would not have ended up in its hands. So its previous offer to let Manafort come in and testify in private is now off the table, and right now U.S. Marshals are presumably hunting down Manafort in order to serve him that subpoena. So what the heck is going on? Two opposite scenarios: either he’s decided to go down in flames, or he’s already flipped on Donald Trump.

Think about it. There are only two reasons why Paul Manafort would refuse to play ball with even the relative softball that the Senate Judiciary Committee had just tossed him. The first is that he’s already concluded he’s going to prison one way or the other, and he’s not willing to take his co-conspirator friends down with him, so he spitefully sees no point in cooperating. The second is that he’s already secretly cut a deal with the Special Counsel to flip on his co-conspirator friends, and he’s been told not to show up and testify, and he’s not worried about the subpoena because it can’t hurt him anyway.

Serious puckering today at the WH. hehe
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
This is political theater
Manafort and others have offered to testify and their offers have been ignored
Tossing out the " subpoena" procedure just adds a delicious innuendo of wrongdoing for the media to gnaw on for another news cycle
Manafort is an awesomely smart guy who beat the GOPe at their game of stealing GOP delegates and has to pay a price for it - then left the campaign when his mission was accomplished
He did nothing wrong to consult for Ukraine
He just consulted for the "wrong " Ukrainians
Let the Game of Thrones continue
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
democrats should find evidence of a crime or stop this shit

this is getting retarded
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
The Senate Judiciary Committee has officially subpoenaed Paul Manafort this morning, according to an official statement on the committee’s website. The reasoning: Manafort was only willing to produce one transcribed interview to all of Congress, which the committee says would not have ended up in its hands. So its previous offer to let Manafort come in and testify in private is now off the table, and right now U.S. Marshals are presumably hunting down Manafort in order to serve him that subpoena. So what the heck is going on? Two opposite scenarios: either he’s decided to go down in flames, or he’s already flipped on Donald Trump.

Think about it. There are only two reasons why Paul Manafort would refuse to play ball with even the relative softball that the Senate Judiciary Committee had just tossed him. The first is that he’s already concluded he’s going to prison one way or the other, and he’s not willing to take his co-conspirator friends down with him, so he spitefully sees no point in cooperating. The second is that he’s already secretly cut a deal with the Special Counsel to flip on his co-conspirator friends, and he’s been told not to show up and testify, and he’s not worried about the subpoena because it can’t hurt him anyway.

Serious puckering today at the WH. hehe

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Oh, my. You are a busy, busy Share blue. Is this volunteer work or you being paid?

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^^^^ How to Spot a Share Blue Troll

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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
Hey Op. Trump's speech yesterday. Look at the size of the crowd in mid-day summer outside. He, he, he. Fuck you moron.

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72856452 Fuck you, bitch. You 20-something ass wipe on proxy.

Blow me, troll boy.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
What are you guilty of that compels you to spend so much time thinking and writing about Donald Trump?

What a pu$$y.

Get a life.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
If you were a Democrat, you would just "ignore" the subpoena:

An aide who helped Hillary Clinton maintain her private e-mail server didn’t show up for a congressional hearing Tuesday despite a subpoena, while two other witnesses who worked for a company hired by the Clintons invoked their Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions.

Then write a letter to the committee explaining your actions:

"The latest call for Pagliano to testify furthered “no legislative purpose and is a transparent effort to publicly harass and humiliate” him “for unvarnished political purposes,” Pagliano’s lawyers wrote in a letter to the committee’s chairman, Republican Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah."

[link to www.bloomberg.com (secure)]

Then if you get referred to the DOJ (assuming you dont already have immunity) for a contempt of Congress charge, nothing will happen:

The Justice Department will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS official Lois Lerner, the central figure in a scandal that erupted over whether the tax agency improperly targeted conservative political groups.

Ronald Machen, the former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in a seven-page letter this week that he would not bring a criminal case to a grand jury over Lerner’s refusal to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in March 2014.


[link to www.politico.com]

So, if he follows the tried and true Democrat strategy, he should be all set. Case closed.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
What are you guilty of that compels you to spend so much time thinking and writing about Donald Trump?

What a pu$$y.

Get a life.
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Well he's probably a cho-mo, so.....

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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
Lol

If he flipped on anyone, he'd be getting immunity not a subpoena.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
So this is the libtards last hope? Manafort?
Nobody in the world gives a shit if he is in debt, has loans from Russia or other shady deals. His business.

If one democrat can explain how Manafort is responsible for the accusation that Russia interfered the election, I'll Listen.


By the way
Where is Glenn Simpson?
His Fakenews agency could debunk the whole Russia narrative.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
Hey Op. Trump's speech yesterday. Look at the size of the crowd in mid-day summer outside. He, he, he. Fuck you moron.


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But his approval ratings are so low! That must be a cgi crowd! No way he has this much support!

*giggles*

Seriously y'all. ...think Killary could have ever mustered a crowd half that large?

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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
If you were a Democrat, you would just "ignore" the subpoena:

An aide who helped Hillary Clinton maintain her private e-mail server didn’t show up for a congressional hearing Tuesday despite a subpoena, while two other witnesses who worked for a company hired by the Clintons invoked their Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions.

Then write a letter to the committee explaining your actions:

"The latest call for Pagliano to testify furthered “no legislative purpose and is a transparent effort to publicly harass and humiliate” him “for unvarnished political purposes,” Pagliano’s lawyers wrote in a letter to the committee’s chairman, Republican Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah."

[link to www.bloomberg.com (secure)]

Then if you get referred to the DOJ (assuming you dont already have immunity) for a contempt of Congress charge, nothing will happen:

The Justice Department will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS official Lois Lerner, the central figure in a scandal that erupted over whether the tax agency improperly targeted conservative political groups.

Ronald Machen, the former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in a seven-page letter this week that he would not bring a criminal case to a grand jury over Lerner’s refusal to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in March 2014.


[link to www.politico.com]

So, if he follows the tried and true Democrat strategy, he should be all set. Case closed.
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democrats should find evidence of a crime or stop this shit

this is getting retarded
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And expensive, don't forget that they are paying all of these "investigators" with taxpayer money. We who voted for the president are now FORCED to pay for the investigation to remove him...

I am LIVID!!!
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He should just politely decline to give evidence or attend the meeting. Obviously that is perfectly acceptable as we have seen with the dnc and Obama admin reps.
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
He shouldn't talk to anyone except for the Special Counsel's investigators.
Otherwise he runs the risk of screwing up his plea deal.
So I expect him to take the 5th before congress.
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Lol

If he flipped on anyone, he'd be getting immunity not a subpoena.
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OP is so smart he must have been a political strategist for the DNC and their winning campaign strategy.


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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
subpoenas mean jack shit now,all he needs to do is pull a clinton crime syndicate move and plead the 5th and the ever popular "I can't answer that."
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subpoenas mean jack shit now,all he needs to do is pull a clinton crime syndicate move and plead the 5th and the ever popular "I can't answer that."
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Or the other Clinton go-to, claim you can't testify because you fell or because there is a blood clot in your brain.
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The first is that he’s already concluded he’s going to prison one way or the other, and he’s not willing to take his co-conspirator friends down with him, so he spitefully sees no point in cooperating.
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Going to jail for what?

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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
This is political theater
Manafort and others have offered to testify and their offers have been ignored
Tossing out the " subpoena" procedure just adds a delicious innuendo of wrongdoing for the media to gnaw on for another news cycle
Manafort is an awesomely smart guy who beat the GOPe at their game of stealing GOP delegates and has to pay a price for it - then left the campaign when his mission was accomplished
He did nothing wrong to consult for Ukraine
He just consulted for the "wrong " Ukrainians
Let the Game of Thrones continue
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Fucking excellent.

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The first is that he’s already concluded he’s going to prison one way or the other, and he’s not willing to take his co-conspirator friends down with him, so he spitefully sees no point in cooperating.
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Going to jail for what?

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He should just politely decline to give evidence or attend the meeting. Obviously that is perfectly acceptable as we have seen with the dnc and Obama admin reps.
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Say "The paperwork you are seeking is with Eric Holder's Fast and Furious records and Hillary's emails. Same file. Go get it."
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
If you were a Democrat, you would just "ignore" the subpoena:

An aide who helped Hillary Clinton maintain her private e-mail server didn’t show up for a congressional hearing Tuesday despite a subpoena, while two other witnesses who worked for a company hired by the Clintons invoked their Fifth Amendment right not to answer questions.

Then write a letter to the committee explaining your actions:

"The latest call for Pagliano to testify furthered “no legislative purpose and is a transparent effort to publicly harass and humiliate” him “for unvarnished political purposes,” Pagliano’s lawyers wrote in a letter to the committee’s chairman, Republican Representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah."

[link to www.bloomberg.com (secure)]

Then if you get referred to the DOJ (assuming you dont already have immunity) for a contempt of Congress charge, nothing will happen:

The Justice Department will not seek criminal contempt charges against former IRS official Lois Lerner, the central figure in a scandal that erupted over whether the tax agency improperly targeted conservative political groups.

Ronald Machen, the former U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) in a seven-page letter this week that he would not bring a criminal case to a grand jury over Lerner’s refusal to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in March 2014.


[link to www.politico.com]

So, if he follows the tried and true Democrat strategy, he should be all set. Case closed.
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Hopefully he's rock solid and if not, hopefully someone whispers in his ear to play along until Mueller is fired.

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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
This is political theater
Manafort and others have offered to testify and their offers have been ignored
Tossing out the " subpoena" procedure just adds a delicious innuendo of wrongdoing for the media to gnaw on for another news cycle
Manafort is an awesomely smart guy who beat the GOPe at their game of stealing GOP delegates and has to pay a price for it - then left the campaign when his mission was accomplished
He did nothing wrong to consult for Ukraine
He just consulted for the "wrong " Ukrainians
Let the Game of Thrones continue
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Hopefully he's rock solid and if not, hopefully someone whispers in his ear to play along until Mueller is fired.

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Mueller is finding LOTS of witches tho.
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democrats should find evidence of a crime or stop this shit

this is getting retarded
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And expensive, don't forget that they are paying all of these "investigators" with taxpayer money. We who voted for the president are now FORCED to pay for the investigation to remove him...

I am LIVID!!!
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How much is this witch hunt costing? We need a billboard to keep track of this unlimited tab. I'm sure DC lawyers don't come cheap.
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The Senate Judiciary Committee has officially subpoenaed Paul Manafort this morning, according to an official statement on the committee’s website. The reasoning: Manafort was only willing to produce one transcribed interview to all of Congress, which the committee says would not have ended up in its hands. So its previous offer to let Manafort come in and testify in private is now off the table, and right now U.S. Marshals are presumably hunting down Manafort in order to serve him that subpoena. So what the heck is going on? Two opposite scenarios: either he’s decided to go down in flames, or he’s already flipped on Donald Trump.

Think about it. There are only two reasons why Paul Manafort would refuse to play ball with even the relative softball that the Senate Judiciary Committee had just tossed him. The first is that he’s already concluded he’s going to prison one way or the other, and he’s not willing to take his co-conspirator friends down with him, so he spitefully sees no point in cooperating. The second is that he’s already secretly cut a deal with the Special Counsel to flip on his co-conspirator friends, and he’s been told not to show up and testify, and he’s not worried about the subpoena because it can’t hurt him anyway.

Serious puckering today at the WH. hehe
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Re: BREAKING: Paul Manafort gets surprise subpoena: either he’s flipped on Donald Trump, or he’s decided to go down in flames
Hey Op. Trump's speech yesterday. Look at the size of the crowd in mid-day summer outside. He, he, he. Fuck you moron.


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OMG guys- stop with the size of the crowd shit like your comparing penis'; it was the Boy Scout Jamboree- all the scouts had to be present- they are kids. It wasn't adults leaving work early to fight traffic, get through security and wait around for the Pres to speak.
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