Khalid "Confessed" To Targeting Bank Founded After His Arrest

So you believe this man confessed because of the torture he endured, which would mean he was basically TOLD what he did and what he would confess to right? So the US military made him confess to something that didnt exist at the time? Or the highly secretive, altered, edited copy of what you are reading is worded wrong?

What exactly are you fighting for Shadow? To prove the US military was wrong, or that a man lied about something you claim he couldnt have known about in the first place?

The man spent time in Guantanamo. If that's irrelevant to you...
Dick all I can do about it.

How did Khalid come to know the address of a Seattle based bank, that did not exist when he was arrested, when he was being held in solitary confinement since 2002?

How did he manage to gain access to that bit of obscure information, while being held in a maximum security military prison in Cuba?

It's so clear that something was brainwashed into him with torture, these are never his own words, proof for this is that he could not have known of a bank which wasn't even there when he allegedly should have planned it.
I cannot help if you refuse to see that.

Basta, Finito!!!!

The BUILDING existed, the bank came later.

This particular building was finished in 1985, I don't see where you can say it didn't exist.

I DON'T see how you can assume with any certainty EXACTLY what HE called the building. You are hearing about his testimony second or third hand. I do not see that he is quoted saying "Bank Plaza". YOU are assuming that.

Now my question to you is what do YOU not get about that?

Yeah. The Cosmo tower exists too, will that be added to your litany as well?

Was it attacked?
Was it the Plaza Bank in 85?

"Buried on page 18 of the transcript is the claim that Mohammed's terrorists planned to hit a "Plaza Bank" in Washington state during the second wave of attacks after Sept. 11. The transcript gives no further details."

Khalid "confessed" to planning a hit on the Plaza Bank.

A business that did not exist when he was arrested.

He DID NOT confess to planning a hit on a building that the Plaza Bank would someday be located in.

He confessed to planning a hit on the Plaza Bank.

How did he come to be aware of the existance of the Plaza Bank, when he was being held in solitary confinement in a maximum security military prison in Cuba?

From Shadow's own post:
Details of the confession, released on Wednesday by the Pentagon, could not immediately be confirmed, but many refer to locations for which the United States and other nations have issued terrorism warnings based on what they have deemed credible threats from 1993 to the present.

Second wave

Among them, according to the extraordinary confession: In the United States, Mohammad said he had planned or helped plan a second wave of attacks after 9/11 on nuclear power plants, Library Tower in Los Angeles, the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Plaza Bank building in Seattle, and the Empire State Building, stock exchange and other financial institutions and bridges in New York. Most of these facilities had been the subject of earlier warnings

Torture produces information that the torturer wants to hear and elicts through torture. It is a closed environment where anything can happen and often does.

Khalid is a bad guy but his "confessions" are questionable.

The only credible threat was the one which was dismissed.

Yes or no?

Anybody that thinks some guy held without council in solitary confinement in some sh...thole somewhere in the world, tortured around the clock as necessary, and threatened with death would be reading a script of convenient "truths" prepared by his jailers as opposed to telling the real truth is simply not Murkan!

I was quoting YOU ffs!

Every one?

You're grazing the lino for leftovers Sigma.

You are missing the obvious and dont have a clue about what you are arguing for. Get a clue.

Let's take this r e a l s l o w.

Explain how there could be a Plaza Bank building, before the existence of a Plaza Bank.

The building was named (renamed) after the largest business located in that building.

The building was named the Plaza Bank Building because it was under the ownership and management of the {b]Plaza Bank.

But the Plaza Bank did not exist at the time Khalid was arrested.

So the Plaza Bank Building was not called the Plaza Bank Building at that time.

It was called something else.

Or it did not exist at all, if it was constructed by the company known today as the Plaza Bank.

By confessing to planning an attack on the Plaza Bank, or the Plaza Bank Building, Khalid was confessing to planning an attack on something that did not exist at the time he was supposedly planning to attack it.

This confession would be akin to Jack the Ripper confessing to the strangulation of someone who would not be born until 1958, many decades after Jack would have been dead.

Understand?

Sigma you're just exercising defiance in useless cases, that's all.

Back to Article Click to Print Thursday, Mar. 15, 2007
Why KSM's Confession Rings False
By Robert Baer
It's hard to tell what the Pentagon's objective really is in releasing the transcript of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's confession. It certainly suggests the Administration is trying to blame KSM for al-Qaeda terrorism, leading us to believe we've caught the master terrorist and that al-Qaeda, and especially the ever-elusive bin Laden, is no longer a threat to the U.S.

But there is a major flaw in that marketing strategy. On the face of it, KSM, as he is known inside the government, comes across as boasting, at times mentally unstable. It's also clear he is making things up. I'm told by people involved in the investigation that KSM was present during Wall Street Journal correspondent Danny Pearl's execution but was in fact not the person who killed him. There exists videotape footage of the execution that minimizes KSM's role. And if KSM did indeed exaggerate his role in the Pearl murder, it raises the question of just what else he has exaggerated, or outright fabricated.

Just as importantly, there is an absence of collateral evidence that would support KSM's story. KSM claims he was "responsible for the 9/11 operation from A-Z." Yet he has omitted details that would support his role. For instance, one of the more intriguing mysteries is who recruited and vetted the fifteen Saudi hijackers, the so-called "muscle." The well-founded suspicion is that Qaeda was running a cell inside the Kingdom that spotted these young men and forwarded them to al-Qaeda. KSM and al-Qaeda often appear bumbling, but they would never have accepted recruits they couldn't count on. KSM does not offer us an answer as to how this worked.

KSM has also not offered evidence of state support to al-Qaeda, though there is good evidence there was, even at a low level. KSM himself was harbored by a member of Qatar's royal family after he was indicted in the U.S. for the Bojinka plot — a plan to bomb twelve American airplanes over the Pacific. KSM and al-Qaeda also received aid from supporters in Pakistan, quite possibly from sympathizers in the Pakistani intelligence service. KSM provides no details that would suggest we are getting the full story from him.

Although he claims to have been al-Qaeda's foreign operations chief, he has offered no information about European networks. Today, dozens of investigations are going on in Great Britain surrounding the London tube bombings on July 7, 2005. Yet KSM apparently knew nothing about these networks or has not told his interrogators about them.

The fact is al-Qaeda is too smart to put all of its eggs in one basket. It has not and does not have a field commander, the role KSM has arrogated. It works on the basis of "weak links," mounting terrorist operations by bringing in people on an ad hoc basis, and immediately disbanding the group afterwards.

Until we hear more, the mystery of who KSM is and what he was responsible for is still a mystery.

Robert Baer, a former CIA field officer assigned to the Middle East, is the author of See No Evil and, most recently, the novel Blow the House Down

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Useless being the key word

How would he know what the current name was, locked in High Security Federal Lockup? Have you had your coffee yet? This really is not as hard to follow as you are making out to be.

" Sigma you're just exercising defiance in useless cases, that's all. "

OK my translator was malfunctioning.
So read that as:
Sigma you're just exercising useless defiance, that's all.

Vive le Carré

"KSM has also not offered evidence of state support to al-Qaeda, though there is good evidence there was, even at a low level. KSM himself was harbored by a member of Qatar's royal family after he was indicted in the U.S."
It is also useful to bear in mind that none of these alleged Arab Royals are actually royalty at all.They are descendants of the local thugs and strong men who were at the top of the heap in the early twentieth century.They do NOT represent any sort of ancestral lineage beyond that of thugs and gangsters.
Thus, that they harbor criminals is not much of a surprise at all.Who knows, it could well be a pay back for the current thugs ancestors having given refuge to their ancestral criminals.

It's always easier to appear blind, so things appear to fit your cause better, I understand.

Here's an example

I totally believe he confessed to things he may not have been responsible for due to torture or his mental state to begin with. The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults, when not bothering to look around and notice THE BUILDING EXISTED. For all ANY of you know, the wording "Plaza Bank Building" could have been written by the US instead of the buildings actual name, or the wording he used. How would you feel if you found out he WAS responsible for all he admitted to, but he was freed because of details like this you want to argue about? Would that make you feel better?

All is not what it appears.

No Dil, just hoping for open eyes is all.

It certainly is ironic you would mention playing dumb and believing everything you read.It seems your entire screed is about insisting that we play dumb and pretend it is logical to read his bogus confession,and accept it,and even make excuses for it.
He never said he planned to blow up a building which later housed a bank.He said he planned to blow up the Plaza Bank Building, while there is no credible way to explain how he could have known the name had been changed.

How do you know he said it? Because you heard it somewhere? How do you know "there is no credible way to explain how he could have known the name had been changed"? Because you pretended you knew what happened to him the last four years and imagined what it was like and fantasized his conditions and what he was exposed to?

Here's one of the actual predators:
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