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Khalid "Confessed" To Targeting Bank Founded After His Arrest

 
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Here's one of the actual predators:
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I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...
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Deeper and deeper Sigma. Keep digging it. lol
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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...



Deeper and deeper Sigma.
 Quoting: Shadow

Honey read the first page again, it's really sad. But not nearly as sad as the thread I posted about Chlorine Gas Exposure after a suicide bomber, where I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle
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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...



Deeper and deeper Sigma.

Honey read the first page again, it's really sad. But not nearly as sad as the thread I posted about Chlorine Gas Exposure after a suicide bomber, where I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle
 Quoting: Sigma



Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"

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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...



Deeper and deeper Sigma.

Honey read the first page again, it's really sad. But not nearly as sad as the thread I posted about Chlorine Gas Exposure after a suicide bomber, where I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle



Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"

[link to godlikeproductions.com]
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There ya go, I guess maybe she thought they were here.

chuckle
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Shadow  (OP)

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I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle
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Gee, makes me look kinda stupid doesn't it? Makes me wonder why I wonder why US troops are being attacked while annexxing a disarmed and unoffending nation?

Do you then assume Iraqis are as complacent as your governement tells you they will be after 2 trillion in taxpayer debt?
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There ya go, I guess maybe she thought they were here.

chuckle
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lol don't pay much attention do you?
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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...



Deeper and deeper Sigma.

Honey read the first page again, it's really sad. But not nearly as sad as the thread I posted about Chlorine Gas Exposure after a suicide bomber, where I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle



Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

There ya go, I guess maybe she thought they were here.

chuckle
 Quoting: Sigma


Your obfuscation of the quoted wording failed more like.
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How can a dead man confess to anything???!!

U.S. Claims Khalid Mohammed Alive and Confessed. Very Interesting!!! Especially since the man was shot dead in 2002.

[link to www.atimes.com]
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Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"
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Thank you hf
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ming the merciless
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03/17/2007 10:59 AM
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I'm new to this board.However,this "Sigma" person I beleive is Ann Coulter.Only she would beleive such nonsense and post these illogical responses.Check that,this person is most likely an Ann wannabe.
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Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"


Thank you hf
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You are welcome Shadow!

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03/17/2007 11:06 AM
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I'm new to this board.However,this "Sigma" person I beleive is Ann Coulter.Only she would beleive such nonsense and post these illogical responses.Check that,this person is most likely an Ann wannabe.
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The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults...



Deeper and deeper Sigma.

Honey read the first page again, it's really sad. But not nearly as sad as the thread I posted about Chlorine Gas Exposure after a suicide bomber, where I copied an article explaining the bombings happened in Iraq and you posted "what country were they in?"

chuckle



Actually Shadow wrote "Who's country were the 6 US troops in at the time?"

[link to godlikeproductions.com]

There ya go, I guess maybe she thought they were here.

chuckle


Your obfuscation of the quoted wording failed more like.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 209850

chuckle more like didnt care enough to go look - nice try though.
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Shadow  (OP)

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Wul kiss I've been missing you.



more like didnt care enough to go look -
 Quoting: Sigma


Hypocrisy with your eggs, anybody?
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Your obfuscation of the quoted wording failed more like.

chuckle more like didnt care enough to go look - nice try though.
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There was me thinking the acronym "FOS" stood for Flower Of Scotland, but not in your case...
Sigma

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Wul kiss I've been missing you.




more like didnt care enough to go look -


Hypocrisy with your eggs, anybody?
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It would be hypocrisy if you mattered. 1dunno1

Awww AV luv, how appropriate.

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Wul kiss I've been missing you.




more like didnt care enough to go look -


Hypocrisy with your eggs, anybody?

It would be hypocrisy if you mattered. 1dunno1

Awww AV luv, how appropriate.

chuckle
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You don't matter and I don't care, get over your hypocritical self, spelled "American"
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One really has to look at how the events happened at the tribunal.

I downloaded the tribunal transcript.

This is how it actually happened.

Khalids Personal Representative was reading a statement that was numbered and number 7 is where he mentions the "Plaza Bank, Washington State".

But the very fact that he had a Personal Representative and that the Personal Representative was reading a PREPARED statement; shows that his COUNCIL was involved in the preparation of that statement and that person or persons (who I am assumming would be an educated person not being incarcerated and most probably a lawyer) would have knowledge of the correct, current anme of the building in question.

After the statement was read Khalid did say the information in the statement was correct.

Now if you read the transcript you will know that Khalid's English was at times broken and hard to understand. It is obvious that the statement was constructed by a lawyer.

When making statements lawyers would tend to use the current name for a building rather than an older less current name to describe a building. I think the building in question has been named at least 3 different ways since it's completion in 1985. Also in reading the transcript you will notice that a translator is being used. In conversation it is not hard to imagine that Khalid told him of the building and the translator said he is talking about the Plaza Bank. But might have actually called it something else in Farsi or whatever he was using.

For anyone to say with complete confidence that Khalid DID NOT know the building by any name other than the Plaza Bank is a really broad stretch.
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It's always easier to appear blind, so things appear to fit your cause better, I understand.

Here's an example

I totally believe he confessed to things he may not have been responsible for due to torture or his mental state to begin with. The entire discussion was the fact that some blog poster looked up Plaza Bank and said 'They didnt exist until 2006! He lied!' and the OP tried to defend this, then back peddled and forgot what she was posting herself when spewing insults, when not bothering to look around and notice THE BUILDING EXISTED. For all ANY of you know, the wording "Plaza Bank Building" could have been written by the US instead of the buildings actual name, or the wording he used. How would you feel if you found out he WAS responsible for all he admitted to, but he was freed because of details like this you want to argue about? Would that make you feel better?

All is not what it appears.
 Quoting: Sigma


"I totally believe he confessed to things he may not have been responsible for due to torture or his mental state to begin with."

Well, there's something we can ALL agree on.

"For all ANY of you know, the wording "Plaza Bank Building" could have been written by the US instead of the buildings actual name, or the wording he used."

Something else we can all agree on.

For all ANY of us know, the government torturers/interrogators could very well have just written out this laundry list of confessions on their own, without any input whatsoever on the part of Mr. Khalid, placed this "confession" on the table before him, and order him to sign it.

Since all this is being conducted in secret, as opposed to in a valid court of law, there is no way that anyone could be sure of what Mr. Khalid admited to, or did NOT admit to.

How would you feel if you found out he WAS responsible for all he admitted to, but he was freed because of details like this you want to argue about? Would that make you feel better?

How would we ever jope to find out out what he WAS responsible for, or was NOT responsible for, when these proceedings are being carried out in total secrecy, with no way for anyone to verify the accuracy, or INACCURACY, of the Bush administration's accusations?

How would YOU feel, if the United States government locked away a man who had no part of the 9/11 attacks, or other terrorist attacks, while letting the people who were actually responsible for these attacks GO FREE, simply because the Bush administration had an agenda to sell, and was simply too lazy to do the investigative work required to track down and prosecute those who actually carried out these attacks?

How would YOU feel, if Bush and his friends, (or if others whose identities are not known at this time) were actually the ones who carried out these attacks, and if they purposely FRAMED an INNOCENT man in order to escape justice for these crimes?

Just grabbing some schmoop, forcing a "confession" out of him, and then trowing him into a dungeon for the rest of his life will not bring justice to the victims of 9/11.

Finding those who are actually GUILTY of this crime, PROVING that guilt in a court of law, and then doling out punishment in accordance with the due process of law WILL bring justice in this case.

Justice will not be found in a monkey court, or a circus arena.
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It would be hypocrisy if you mattered. 1dunno1
 Quoting: Sigma


*waggles,flexes fingers* muaha

Too bad you didnt look up the info first.

WASHINGTON -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to those and a string of other terrorism plots, including one in Washington state, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, according to a transcript released Wednesday by the Pentagon.

Buried on page 18 of the transcript is the claim that Mohammed's terrorists planned to hit a "Plaza Bank" in Washington state during the second wave of attacks after Sept. 11. The transcript gives no further details.

No Seattle bank went by that name before 2006. But in 2004, the Sept. 11 commission concluded that Mohammed had originally planned the attacks to include "the tallest buildings in California and Washington state." The Columbia Center in Seattle is the tallest building in Washington.


Hmmmmm Columbia Center address -Fifth Avenue

Plaza Bank address - Fifth Avenue
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Let's revisit this. A tall building (2 tall and one semi) are blown up in New York, after 4 years in US custody (and one spent in US Congress legalized torture) the 4th (or 5th, maybe 9th) mastermind of 9/11 confesses. Because a plaza and a bank and a tall building are mentioned in FBI files, suddenly the predictable failure of an attack on a tall building in WA State across the continent on a bank with NO connections to the M.E. is a reason to believe an extracted by torture confession?
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For anyone to say with complete confidence that Khalid DID NOT know the building by any name other than the Plaza Bank is a really broad stretch.
 Quoting: Artist FKA HiRisque


It's a really broad stretch to imagine he did, as the bank did not exist when he targeted it (in his confession as reported by the FBI).
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After 4 years in gitmo he would not be sane enough to plead insanity...
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There are three different banking services goes by the name of Plaza Bank:

[link to www.plazabankillinois.com]
Plaza Bank of Illinois 45 years

[link to www.plazabank.net]
Plaza Bank of southern California

[link to www.plazabankwa.com]
Plaza Bank in the Pacific, including Washington state.
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For anyone to say with complete confidence that Khalid DID NOT know the building by any name other than the Plaza Bank is a really broad stretch.


It's a really broad stretch to imagine he did, as the bank did not exist when he targeted it (in his confession as reported by the FBI).
 Quoting: Shadow


So you have a transcript of his FBI confession? Since you seem to be so knowledgable about exactly what he said?

First of all this BS about confession under torture is just that, BS.

In the Tribunal transcript (did you actually read that? I think not) he made no bones about pointing out errors (some relating to ownership of a particular computer) made by the people that perpared the list of accusations.

On the other hand he states very plainly that he IS an enemy combatant. You get the impression that he is proud of his actions. He is also asked if he feels he is under any duress, etc. before the questioning begins.

Getting back to your topic let me put it in the simplest terms possible.

His statement was prepared by a lawyer. I do not find it unusual that a lawyer would use the most current name to describe a location.

The location, the tall building did exist before it was named it's current name. It was completed in 1985.
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Sigma, your case of obviously severe cognitive dissonance can only be healed by discarding the beliefs that cause your agitation and aggressiveness.

You'll feel better if you stop holding on to beliefs that are contradicted by the facts that are continually presented to you.
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[link to www.defenselink.mil]

This is the court transcripts released by the Pentagon. I cant find any mention of Plaza Bank. Where has that come from?
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got to agree with sigma on this one, its only now referred to as plaza bank. khalid confessed prior to the banks apperance to the conspiracy of attacking the building.
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Just to show how much nobody is taking the whole KSM confession thing seriously, the editorial page cartoon today in my local paper in Bend, Oregon, The Bulletin, goes like this:

Two CIA spook looking guys are in a basement boiler room looking office and the caption is:

"The interrogation of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is going well. He's already confessed to planning 9/11, personally killing Daniel Pearl, being on the grassy knoll and making all those crop circles."

I ain't livin in liberal land. This is white, redneck rural Central Oregon here. If you think you can paint this place with the same brush as "liberal" Portland, 200 miles away, you've never been here. If the editor of the local newspaper is willing to run this cartoon without fear of reprisal, ain't nobody takin this shit seriously, even conservative republicans.

The same paper yesterday had a guest editorial column where the author was plugging Loose Change. Yep, when rural, redneck America is willing to question the official story, it's gotta be fucked up.
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For anyone to say with complete confidence that Khalid DID NOT know the building by any name other than the Plaza Bank is a really broad stretch.


It's a really broad stretch to imagine he did, as the bank did not exist when he targeted it (in his confession as reported by the FBI).
 Quoting: Shadow


Sigma, hope you havn't given up in these misguided folks.

I understand that it was the media that reported it as "Plaza Bank Building" because that's proper journalistic practice.

I also understand that the building was targeted by KSM, as confessed, before it was known as Plaza Bank building. The building in fact existed at the time, but was not known as the name reported by the media.

I furthermore understand that when KSM referred to this building in his confession, he did not refer to it as Plaza Bank Building.

It's the government and media that has furthered the delusions of the folks arguing against you on this thread.

Here's what I don't understand:

That these folks who argue against you truly believe that a small cabal they refer to as TPTB (current administration) can conceive of and carry out horrific acts against their enemies (radical islamists) but they cannot believe that a small cabal (radical islamists) CANNOT conceive of and carry out horrible acts against their enemies (TPTB/current administration).

I really pity these fools.





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