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The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned for Discussion. Anyone else see the stark similarities between 1941 and today? IMHO i believe you would either have to be blind or stupid not to see the pattern here. The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
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The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72230741 United States 08/09/2017 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the Chinese decide to pull the plug by imposing embargo on everything sold to NK, then it will be over for the regime. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 75344528 Won't happen. If China's leaders actually did that and implemented such a policy, there will be a revolution in China. Anti-American sentiment in China in the general public and in the military cannot be overstated. |
The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the Chinese decide to pull the plug by imposing embargo on everything sold to NK, then it will be over for the regime. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 75344528 If China follows thru with the sanctions, i don't believe NK will blame China, but they will have no choice but to fight. China's only concern is unwanted immigration. regardless if NK at war or not. You trap an animal in a corner with no escape, they have no choice. Their is no more flight option, just fight. Last Edited by The Wild 0nes on 08/09/2017 05:21 AM The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72377043 United States 08/09/2017 05:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I swear, every week with this crap, this is just more bluster, only this time it seems more serious because of Trumps rhetoric, but trust me, absolutely nothing will happen. Neither side wants a war, neither is even ready for a war. If we were going to strike, all Military families would be out of South Korea, and we would already have mobilized a strike group larger than the " show of force " one we have in the peninsula. |
The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the Chinese decide to pull the plug by imposing embargo on everything sold to NK, then it will be over for the regime. Quoting: An Ordinary Greek 75344528 Won't happen. If China's leaders actually did that and implemented such a policy, there will be a revolution in China. Anti-American sentiment in China in the general public and in the military cannot be overstated. I.E China's President's recent propoganda message to their military. China's people and military might not like America, but their government knows they can't survive without her. The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
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The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I swear, every week with this crap, this is just more bluster, only this time it seems more serious because of Trumps rhetoric, but trust me, absolutely nothing will happen. Neither side wants a war, neither is even ready for a war. If we were going to strike, all Military families would be out of South Korea, and we would already have mobilized a strike group larger than the " show of force " one we have in the peninsula. Who had advanced knowledge of the Syrian strike under Trump? Who had advanced knowledge of the MOAB attack in Afganistan? And don;t say everyone had advanced knowledge of the attacks, because that information came out after the bombing occurred. No one ever even proved that their was forewarning of the attacks. They stay tight lipped when it has mattered Loose Lips Sink Ships. The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The North Korea crisis in 300 words "Why does North Korea want nuclear weapons? The Korean peninsula was divided after World War Two and the communist North developed into a Stalinesque dictatorship. Almost entirely isolated on the global stage, its leaders say nuclear capabilities are its only deterrent against an outside world seeking to destroy it." More at link [link to www.bbc.com] Last Edited by The Wild 0nes on 08/09/2017 05:28 AM The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75353149 United States 08/09/2017 05:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China will NOT abandon their brothers on THEIR border. In China they call the first Korean War: The "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" Blood is thicker than water, not to mention the fact that Communist China hates our guts. They know a war with us in INEVITABLE. Whether they use this opportunity or not, WE SHALL SEE. |
The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China will NOT abandon their brothers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75353149 on THEIR border. In China they call the first Korean War: The "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" Blood is thicker than water, not to mention the fact that Communist China hates our guts. They know a war with us in INEVITABLE. Whether they use this opportunity or not, WE SHALL SEE. I agree, but China relies on American consumerism alot more in 2017 then it did in 1950. China would be shooting itself in the foot by siding with NK on this issue. No matter how many countries China has trade agreements with, they cannot and will not let anything damage their reliance on Americans to buy their junk. The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
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The Wild 0nes (OP) User ID: 70892770 United States 08/09/2017 05:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NK is one of the last nations on earth not controlled by the globalists, and they can't have that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34021181 WMDs were bullshit for the same reason. They want a country or two? They rig a war. agreed. But how do you convince a war weary populous that this one is needed and justified? The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. It's easy to stand in the crowd but it takes courage to stand alone Do i look really like a guy with a plan? you know what i am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if i ever caught it. You know, I.. I just do things. The mobs have plans. The cops have plans. They're Schemers. Schemer's trying to control their little worlds. I'm Not a Schemer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75353149 United States 08/09/2017 05:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China will NOT abandon their brothers Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75353149 on THEIR border. In China they call the first Korean War: The "War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea" Blood is thicker than water, not to mention the fact that Communist China hates our guts. They know a war with us in INEVITABLE. Whether they use this opportunity or not, WE SHALL SEE. I agree, but China relies on American consumerism alot more in 2017 then it did in 1950. China would be shooting itself in the foot by siding with NK on this issue. No matter how many countries China has trade agreements with, they cannot and will not let anything damage their reliance on Americans to buy their junk. You know THAT is one of the underlying themes of the New World Order? They CLAIMED that the goal of the Global Economy was to get nations SO INTERDEPENDENT, that war between them would not only be unthinkable, but impossible. (think Communist Chinese components in American weapons) We'll see how that works out in real life. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69993567 Netherlands 08/09/2017 05:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pearl Harbor 2.0 would make my laugh my ass off, it would finally expose how sucked the 'powerfull' US is, because it means that aside from all the posturing and big words a third world country can't even be prevented from doing huge damage to the U.S. That would give a nice signal to China, Russia, etc that they can do whatever the hell they want. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35619168 Ireland 08/09/2017 06:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I swear, every week with this crap, this is just more bluster, only this time it seems more serious because of Trumps rhetoric, but trust me, absolutely nothing will happen. Neither side wants a war, neither is even ready for a war. If we were going to strike, all Military families would be out of South Korea, and we would already have mobilized a strike group larger than the " show of force " one we have in the peninsula. Difference is, we're now on the edge of economic Armageddon. The multi-trillion pyramid Ponzi scheme is about to implode, so it's time for Woar.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75353054 Germany 08/09/2017 06:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Economic warfare has deadly and sometimes warranted reactions. Samuel Clemens said it best when he said "history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes". I truly believe that NK is a grave threat to many, but the build-up to dealing with this issue sounds alot like 1940, and the build-up to Pearl Harbor. We desperately want to deal with the issue, but don't have the public backing due to being in a constant state of war since 9/11. The citizens have grown weary of wars of liberation, terrorism, and globalism. But is a NK war the much needed war, clouded by the perils of public opinion? We pounded Iraq because we "believed" they had WMD's. We "know" NK has them, and has openly threatened attacks on the homeland and bases stationed around the World. The sanctions we just put in place cuts off literally 1/3 of NK's yearly GDP, granted only if member states hold up their end of the sanction enforcement. We want to, but we can't. But we can force the hand of the other party involved to give us the excuse we need. Quoting: The Wild 0nes Replace Trump with Roosevelt, North Korea with Japan, and 1941 with 2017, and i believe we are on the cusp of Pearl Harbor 2.0. Are you ready? How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor "In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia." [link to www.independent.org] What the new U.N. sanctions on North Korea mean "In response to a missile launch last year, the Security Council passed Resolution 2270. The harshest sanctions yet, these sweeping measures took the punishment a step further by targeting North Korean economic activity not directly related to proliferation, including the export of mineral resources such as coal or iron. The new sanctions in Resolution 2371 largely expand upon those measures, broadening a cap on coal and iron exports to a full-fledged ban and adding restrictions on things such as seafood exports and the use of North Korean laborers abroad." [link to www.washingtonpost.com (secure)] But this time it will be Guam. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 49089732 United States 08/09/2017 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The New World Order 2.0 Russia , China , Iran , Syria , Venezuela , Cuba And North Korea Team Make Pearl Harbor 2.0 ; Because Trump Always Talk Talk Talk No Action War For New World Order 2.0 This World Big New Evil Nazi Axis Team : Russia , China , Iran , Syria , Venezuela , Cuba And North Korea Quoting: Urano Chan Yep gonna be a hot time in the old town tonight. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75353149 United States 08/09/2017 07:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pearl Harbor 2.0 would make my laugh my ass off, it would finally expose how sucked the 'powerfull' US is, because it means that aside from all the posturing and big words a third world country can't even be prevented from doing huge damage to the U.S. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69993567 That would give a nice signal to China, Russia, etc that they can do whatever the hell they want. Where have you been? The USA is not only the world's only SUPER POWER, we are the world's only SUPER-DUPER Power!!! BTW, when we got our asses kicked in Vietnam, we were FAR MORE of a "super power" than we are today, militarily AND economically. Remember "SHOCK AND AWE"? They showed video of our precision bombs going off everywhere in Baghdad and the commuters going merrily on their way. After the invasion, the "on-the-ground" assessment showed that our bombing campaign was a BUST. A fireworks display would have done more damage. (all for nought, BTW) One of these days we are not only going to get our asses handed to us, we are going to get our heads handed to us, and that will be the end of the ballgame. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73028077 Canada 08/09/2017 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I swear, every week with this crap, this is just more bluster, only this time it seems more serious because of Trumps rhetoric, but trust me, absolutely nothing will happen. Neither side wants a war, neither is even ready for a war. If we were going to strike, all Military families would be out of South Korea, and we would already have mobilized a strike group larger than the " show of force " one we have in the peninsula. Difference is, we're now on the edge of economic Armageddon. The multi-trillion pyramid Ponzi scheme is about to implode, so it's time for Woar.. You are right! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75240183 Australia 08/09/2017 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Economic warfare has deadly and sometimes warranted reactions. Samuel Clemens said it best when he said "history doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes". I truly believe that NK is a grave threat to many, but the build-up to dealing with this issue sounds alot like 1940, and the build-up to Pearl Harbor. We desperately want to deal with the issue, but don't have the public backing due to being in a constant state of war since 9/11. The citizens have grown weary of wars of liberation, terrorism, and globalism. But is a NK war the much needed war, clouded by the perils of public opinion? We pounded Iraq because we "believed" they had WMD's. We "know" NK has them, and has openly threatened attacks on the homeland and bases stationed around the World. The sanctions we just put in place cuts off literally 1/3 of NK's yearly GDP, granted only if member states hold up their end of the sanction enforcement. We want to, but we can't. But we can force the hand of the other party involved to give us the excuse we need. Quoting: The Wild 0nes Replace Trump with Roosevelt, North Korea with Japan, and 1941 with 2017, and i believe we are on the cusp of Pearl Harbor 2.0. Are you ready? How U.S. Economic Warfare Provoked Japan’s Attack on Pearl Harbor "In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia." [link to www.independent.org] What the new U.N. sanctions on North Korea mean "In response to a missile launch last year, the Security Council passed Resolution 2270. The harshest sanctions yet, these sweeping measures took the punishment a step further by targeting North Korean economic activity not directly related to proliferation, including the export of mineral resources such as coal or iron. The new sanctions in Resolution 2371 largely expand upon those measures, broadening a cap on coal and iron exports to a full-fledged ban and adding restrictions on things such as seafood exports and the use of North Korean laborers abroad." [link to www.washingtonpost.com (secure)] Dealing with it doesn't mean creating more things to fight with. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75334205 Australia 08/09/2017 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not to sure about that. To0 much has already been vested not to take it to the next level. We have basically shut this country out from the world, and now have stripped them of 1/3 of their yearly income, as a country, not just Lil kimmy boy. Someones gonna jump. I think we as a Country/Government are just waiting for an excuse. Yeah actually you could be right, pre-announcing your attack strategy is normally a sign of weakness, and all the posturing would suggest that..but maybe they have reached a point of crisis internally which undermines the dear leaders power..when that happens that's when we really have to worry because he will have nothing to lose because Kim knows that to pre-emptively launch a nuclear attack on the USA or allies would bring about his rapid destruction..just like hitter in the bunker, fighting phantom wars and conspiracies and having nuclear weapons to make it extra dangerous.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75353149 United States 08/09/2017 07:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a rare insightful thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24630392 Korea will be reunified after a brief and bloody exchange, the china and usa will jointly develop the rare earths, some of which are now embargoed as exports by china as raw materials. neodymium for example. that should tell you something. then |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72515246 United States 08/09/2017 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NK is one of the last nations on earth not controlled by the globalists, and they can't have that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34021181 WMDs were bullshit for the same reason. They want a country or two? They rig a war. agreed. But how do you convince a war weary populous that this one is needed and justified? That's a rhetorical question, right? You, me, and most folks here already know how you do it because we are watching them do it right now and there are probably ten threads going that are discussing it right now. All the stories about the tests over the last several months were just to bring it into view just enough to have it hover on the outskirts of daily doings, not close enough to really matter, but close enough to make folks pay attention to the next step. Then we got a spate of emp stories which bring it home in a holy fuck, they can't do that, can they? kinda way. Now, as others have pointed out so well, all of a sudden what was in the future had become a "reality" now, so we better bomb those fuckers before they bomb us stories seeded throughout the msm. They want their woar and they are going to get their woar because it's a necessary step in the progression, along with the tanking of the market when everything is in place. The rest is just details. |