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Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...

 
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Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
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I would assemble a team knowledgable on the subject and get several opinions on the matter before doing anything.
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The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
A little pain now vs. a lot later.

I imagine it would depend if you're an 'immediate gratification' type of personality -- in which case, you'd probably put off now & pay later.

Personally, I'd bite the bullet & get it over with.
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I would sit back, watch it unfold and eat pop corn.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
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Just consider it a hypothetical question for now.

The dilemma is the only problem in this context.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
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Just consider it a hypothetical question for now.

The dilemma is the only problem in this context.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


There is no one-size-fits-all rule. It has to be case by case. Nobody with anything more interesting to look at is going to waste time discussing 'hypothetical' bullshit with you. If you don't have anything in particular to talk about, go away.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11758372


Just consider it a hypothetical question for now.

The dilemma is the only problem in this context.
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There is no one-size-fits-all rule. It has to be case by case. Nobody with anything more interesting to look at is going to waste time discussing 'hypothetical' bullshit with you. If you don't have anything in particular to talk about, go away.
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Time is all we have, whether wasted or not is a matter of perspective.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
A little pain now vs. a lot later.

I imagine it would depend if you're an 'immediate gratification' type of personality -- in which case, you'd probably put off now & pay later.

Personally, I'd bite the bullet & get it over with.
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I like your reasoning.

Thanks
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820

Time is vital to source operations...every second into eternity is used wisely by and for life.

Besides, by then perhaps a solution will arise that was not possible back in the previous time...

In this case I would speak .
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820

Time is vital to source operations...every second into eternity is used wisely by and for life.

Besides, by then perhaps a solution will arise that was not possible back in the previous time...

In this case I would speak .
 Quoting: Lotus flame


So, you would intervene to prevent the imminent catastrophe KNOWING it will lead to worse later, hoping for a miraculous solution to materialize in that time?

Yes or no?
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Do they shoot minute men in the head if they don't do there job?

seriously some context is needed theres normally a solution to all problems and even loose loose situations.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Do they shoot minute men in the head if they don't do there job?

seriously some context is needed theres normally a solution to all problems and even loose loose situations.
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Repeat: Just consider it a hypothetical question for now.

The dilemma is the only problem in this context.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Lastly, for anyone brave enough to try to answer this dilemma...

You only have 3 days until it becomes impossible to prevent the imminent doom...

Beginning now.

Then there are NO options or choices.

I'll be back before that time expires.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Maybe you don't have enough information to judge correctly. Present all data on the subject. Maybe someone knows more or something different. Why are you so sure about outcomes?
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Maybe you don't have enough information to judge correctly. Present all data on the subject. Maybe someone knows more or something different. Why are you so sure about outcomes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75287454


In this scenario we are dealing with absolute certainties.

The dilemma is the only issue.

It is simple and also extremely difficult. Which is why the default choice is the easiest option.
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Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820

Time is vital to source operations...every second into eternity is used wisely by and for life.

Besides, by then perhaps a solution will arise that was not possible back in the previous time...

In this case I would speak .
 Quoting: Lotus flame


So, you would intervene to prevent the imminent catastrophe KNOWING it will lead to worse later, hoping for a miraculous solution to materialize in that time?

Yes or no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


I would. That is my answer. Nothing is set in stone. The present shapes the past and most are unaware of that fact...

Whatever you choose to do good luck to you.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


If it's not life or death don't step in.What seems inevitable sometimes is not as you watch it play out in real life.
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You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820

Time is vital to source operations...every second into eternity is used wisely by and for life.

Besides, by then perhaps a solution will arise that was not possible back in the previous time...

In this case I would speak .
 Quoting: Lotus flame


So, you would intervene to prevent the imminent catastrophe KNOWING it will lead to worse later, hoping for a miraculous solution to materialize in that time?

Yes or no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


I would. That is my answer. Nothing is set in stone. The present shapes the past and most are unaware of that fact...

Whatever you choose to do good luck to you.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


Thanks for your reasoning and perspective. It's difficult to have faith in the unforeseeable unknown when dealing with certainties in a subjective dilemma.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


I love these types of story lines. To me the moral of the story is, learn to accept where you are today and push forward with strength of faith. He put you there and when you emerge from the other side of this situation you will be better for it. Conversely, trying to avoid "imminent doom" based upon some future present knowledge will almost absolutely have unintended consequences.

In other words, follow His plan for you by free will, or suffer the consequences of your plan by fear of free will.

The butterfly effect movies told the story well enough.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


If it's not life or death don't step in.What seems inevitable sometimes is not as you watch it play out in real life.
 Quoting: Rachael123


And if it is?

Hypothetically speaking.
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Time is vital to source operations...every second into eternity is used wisely by and for life.

Besides, by then perhaps a solution will arise that was not possible back in the previous time...

In this case I would speak .
 Quoting: Lotus flame


So, you would intervene to prevent the imminent catastrophe KNOWING it will lead to worse later, hoping for a miraculous solution to materialize in that time?

Yes or no?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


I would. That is my answer. Nothing is set in stone. The present shapes the past and most are unaware of that fact...

Whatever you choose to do good luck to you.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


Thanks for your reasoning and perspective. It's difficult to have faith in the unforeseeable unknown when dealing with certainties in a subjective dilemma.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


I do understand that as well. I am only telling you what I would do. Faith can move mountains. That is a test many do not chance to take especially if all the information points to a measurable response. It's a choice only you can make.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


I love these types of story lines. To me the moral of the story is, learn to accept where you are today and push forward with strength of faith. He put you there and when you emerge from the other side of this situation you will be better for it. Conversely, trying to avoid "imminent doom" based upon some future present knowledge will almost absolutely have unintended consequences.

In other words, follow His plan for you by free will, or suffer the consequences of your plan by fear of free will.

The butterfly effect movies told the story well enough.
 Quoting: PappaDog


You've made a convincing argument for the default choice (to do nothing)

Thank you
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It depends on what side you are on.
If you are a patriotic American and side with Sovereignty of our country, I say let the long term option play out. Do nothing.

If stopping something bad right now and handing us over to globalists, that is evil.

If you're talking about North Korea it's better to go ahead and act. Preventing things now will only kick the can down the road and they will continue to hold the world hostage.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


If it's not life or death don't step in.What seems inevitable sometimes is not as you watch it play out in real life.
 Quoting: Rachael123


And if it is?

Hypothetically speaking.
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Then you have a responsibility to try to save the life the best that you can.Do your best and then it is out of your hands.If this is really happening in your life I will pray for you.
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
It would lead to a different but worse outcome later what would YOU do?

You know what can be done to prevent the imminent doom and avoid that catastrophic outcome, but also know you can't possibly prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

If you do nothing it ends badly, if you intervene it will ultimately end worse.

What is your thinking on this kind of dilemma?

Your responses if any might have more influence than you assume so consider it carefully.

Default choice for now is to do nothing otherwise.
 Quoting: TU 70164820


Do you know for certain it would end worse if you spoke up? Words are powerful. Why not tell both outcomes and perhaps that can influence them both.
 Quoting: Lotus flame


You can prevent the imminent doom, it is absolutely certain that it will be impossible to prevent the worse outcome that will follow if you do.

The only thing gained by acting to prevent the imminent catastrophe is time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


It's very hard to give an opinion in such an absence of information, but here are my 2 cents:

If a worse outcome is inevitable if you intervene, then my respectful opinion is that you pull off that bandaid, do nothing, and let the chips fall where they may. Much of the problems of the world today seem to stem from people being too afraid to act (or not act) (aka accept responsibility), so they kicked the can down the road, which has resulted in us being exponentially worse off than if people would have just experienced some lesser pain earlier and gotten it over with.

Odds are, time and delay will not even result in any meaningful benefit to anyone. Doom is doom - and I would rather have less doom now, that more doom in a little bit. And I would MUCH prefer to personally experience the doom and get it out of the way, so that my kids and future generations do not have to. Let's not put off until tomorrow what should be done today, etc. etc. etc. - that hand has been overplayed.

If you know that delaying/intervening will make it worse, then, to me there is your answer. Please don't let it happen.

It reminds me of what I read about (Iceland??) during the financial meltdown. Most major governments bailed out banks, etc., and are in a world of hurt as a result of trying to temporarily ease inevitable "pain." Iceland said "Screw it! We are starting from scratch" and let them fail. It was rough, but they are already coming out of the ashes. The rest of the world is starting out far behind.

So I propose that we get it over with and begin the process of healing. It's time!!!

Thank you for asking for opinions!! I hope my thoughts helped.

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The first thing you should do is reveal what the problem is and stop jerking us around.
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hesright
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^^^^this^^^^
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Re: Moral dilemma: If you knew something very bad was going to happen and how to prevent it but...
Maybe you don't have enough information to judge correctly. Present all data on the subject. Maybe someone knows more or something different. Why are you so sure about outcomes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75287454


In this scenario we are dealing with absolute certainties.

The dilemma is the only issue.

It is simple and also extremely difficult. Which is why the default choice is the easiest option.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70164820


"Easiest" frequently conflicts with "morally correct". I would always suggesting trying to choose morally correct over easy. Truth = morally correct. Being an ostrich = easy.
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True peace, happiness, contentment and self-worth come from within, and cannot be given, or taken away, by any person or thing.

The Golden Rule Solves Everything.

Please ask yourself "Have I sufficiently listened to both sides, before forming my opinion on matters of debate?" If not, you might want to re-think your position.

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