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Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More

 
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He loved God more than he loved himself.
And he TRUSTED.
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He loved God more than he loved himself.
And he TRUSTED.
 Quoting: Whispering Wind

how did that work out?

do you know what these words mean?

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani.
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He loved God more than he loved himself.
And he TRUSTED.
 Quoting: Whispering Wind

how did that work out?

do you know what these words mean?

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani.

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It means , My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

His faith was being tested.
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He loved God more than he loved himself.
And he TRUSTED.
 Quoting: Whispering Wind

how did that work out?

do you know what these words mean?

Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76690442


It means , My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?

His faith was being tested.
 Quoting: Whispering Wind


He WAS Sin Judged at that very moment.
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He was the Sacrificial Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world

at that very moment.
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Only God could do that.
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God did that.

Himself.

Tetelestai.
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His flesh was forsaken, not his spirit which was raised up.

We forsake the spirit, and are condemn by the flesh.

Regardless as concerning the flesh, no matter how bright a cloud, there is always a shade under it, and that shade is flesh.
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Everything Jesus says was given to Him by the Father.

John 12

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a
commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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How can anyone claim to love Jesus but yet you don't take His Words seriously?

How can anyone love Jesus when you don't take EVERTHING He says on face value...as Gospel?

Do the others in the Bible know Jesus BETTER than Jesus knows Himself?

What if Jesus appeared in front of EACH of you and asked you...

1. How do you love me when you don't 100% BELIEVE what I SAID?

2. I mentioned the Father over 200 times in the Bible. WHY don't you accept that?

3. WHY don't you BELIEVE what I said...WHEN I was recorded as saying...

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28

...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17

...I do ONLY the Father's Will. Matthew 7:21

...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:39,42 & John 17

...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41

...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36

...ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13

...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64

...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18

...I say what the Father has said John 12:49-50

...I learned / do as the Father has showed me John 5:19

4. I said ALL that^^^^...and yet you don't Believe in the Father? WHY?


MORE............

Jesus uses the phrase "the Father" 75 times & the Apostles use it another 55+ times

Jesus uses the phrase "My Father" 50+ times

Jesus stated "the Father SENT Me" 39 times

The phrase "Son of God" is used 48 times by both the Apostles AND Jesus

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Chuck Swindoll with 6 short 25 min presentations about John 17.

He breaks down the Chapter like this...

Jesus prays for Himself verses 1-5

Jesus prays for His Disciples verses 6-19

Jesus prays for all future Believers verses 20-26

First 3 parts start with this. There are links on the page for the other 2 parts.

[link to www.insight.org]

Another 3 parts...

[link to www.insight.org]
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The Father was Jesus’ Higher Self...His God.

You have one too....we all do.

The only way to his higher self is through his teachings.

You will know HIM.

Hf

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I was looking at Swindoll's breakdown in my KJV last night and this was "pointed out" to me.

John 17

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.


These 2 verses give greater understanding of what Jesus said previously in John....

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.


Chuck Swindoll with 6 short 25 min presentations about John 17.

He breaks down the Chapter like this...

Jesus prays for Himself verses 1-5

Jesus prays for His Disciples verses 6-19

Jesus prays for all future Believers verses 20-26

First 3 parts start with this. There are links on the page for the other 2 parts.

[link to www.insight.org]

Another 3 parts...

[link to www.insight.org]
 Quoting: TheLordsServant

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These are 47 verses in the 4 Gospels where Jesus states that He was SENT by the Father!

amen1 amen1 amen1

Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mark 9:37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luke 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Luke 9:48 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.

Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

John 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.

John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

John 8:18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

John 16:5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you
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The infinite Almighty God exceeds the finite capabilities of your understanding.
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And that there is the wisest statement I have ever read here.
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Those who claim that Jesus is the Father Himself / God Almighty say John 17 is God praying to & talking to Himself.

1doh1

It should be pointed out that nowhere in the Old Testament does God the Father pray to Himself.

That is 4000 YEARS or more.

God doesn't pray to Himself.

But the Son of God clearly prays TO the Father!
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Another problematic verse for your theory that Jesus isn’t or can’t be The Father is Revelation 2:26-28

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. And I will give him the morning star.

Here Jesus again depicts himself as having assumed the role of The Father yet he also acknowledges his own Father giving him authority. He’s saying “I will be his father and anoint him just as my father anointed me”

It’s not like The Father giving charge to Jesus to do these things, it’s as though The Father developed or made Jesus into The Father and Jesus is going forth and remaking himself. It’s very clear in the Greek.
 Quoting: Dionysus


Those verses are not even problematic.

Jesus does NOT "assume" the Father's "role".

Jesus had already made it CRYSTAL CLEAR in the 4 Gospels that He does "ONLY the Father's Will".

Greek is not the original language of ANY of the Bible.

Take a read...

Thread: Hebrew Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems

I sense I’m annoying you but I want to say this last thing.

The symbolism of the lamb has to do with Passover where Old Testament YHWH (GOD) made himself into a symbolic lamb by limping past the bloodied doorways of the Israelites.

”...This attribute of lameness got incorporated into Passover as YHWH limping over the doorways of the blood-marked doors of the Israelites, thereby making himself sacrificial like the limping of a newborn lamb. The root Hebrew word of Passover is pise'ach which means to be “crippled” or “lame” and the ritual of Passover was to remember that YHWH makes himself limp as a sacrifice for the Israelites.”

So possibly the most messianic and prophetic thing in the whole Bible regards YHWH making himself into a symbolic sacrificial lamb.

The more you know!
 Quoting: Dionysus


Your supposed "symbolism" has no basis in scripture.

YHWH does NOT "make Himself" the Passover Lamb.

He gave the Hebrews instructions on how to avoid the Angel of Death.
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IF our OP looks even deeper at the meaning of the verses he/she has cited; MIGHT just find Christ Jesus' Central Witness:

IT ALL ties back to John 3:7 and John 14:6; notably:
"Marvel not that I Say unto you, Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" &
"...No man Cometh Unto The Father BUT BY ME!"

OP is not an Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again though... Father has not Given him/her "A New Heart Of (HIS) Flesh" replacing his carnal, "stony-heart". Nor has Father Enabled him/her to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes".

Christ's John 17 Witness, the ONLY Witness HE ever Gave in form of a Prayer, is HIS Witness Of The Born-Again Life.


While every forum Christian I've ever encountered embraces John 3:15-17 so warmly and clingingly, they never connect that these verses are the conclusion of Jesus' Witness to Nicodemus... HE Tells Nic 3x 'you must be Born-Again", most emphatically in John 3:7

The whole of John 3:1-17 is Jesus Witnessing to Nic. Nobody ever sees the Conditional Modifiers of "should" and "might" which are used in each verse from 15-17. Twice HE Says "Should Not Perish" and once, "Might be saved".

You read John 17, and you're concerned with PROVING that Jesus isn't God The Father????

Too bad you don't See & Hear The Gospel; but how could you? It Requires HEART as Jesus Tells us in Matthew 13:11-15
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Doesn't matter if you view yourself as some kind of "defender of Christ" or "defender of The Faith".

What matters in the scope of YOUR LIFE is ACTING ON The Love you claim to have for Christ and The Father....


If you're Seeking HIM through study and intellectual analysis, then you are one of those who Christ Don't Care About. HE Says So, in Matt 13:15.... "...lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."


Jesus Tells Nic, (back to John 3:11) "WE Tell you what WE Have Seen & Know and still you reject OUR Witness!" How can I Tell you about Heavenly things when you won't hear about earthly things?"



There it is kids...
In John 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People (Ezk 36:26-27 Born-Agains) are "Preserved Against ALL evil" and that they Abide In and With HIM and HIS Father, now on earth and later in Heaven.

Nicodemus came to see Jesus because, John tells us, he Knew Jesus was Sent By The Father... He just could never act upon it. Nic even helped pay for Jesus' tomb and burial.


Jesus is amazed that Nic can't grasp the whole being Born-Again thing.... "Art thou a master of israel and knowest not of these things?" HE Says to Nic in vs 10....


Christ Was Sent By HIS Father to Redeem us and Bring The Gospel to the world.

If you don't "Come Unto The Father", HIS Sacrifice on calvary was for nothing; at least as it concerns you...


The Entire Witness of Christ, The Whole Purpose of Christianity; Jesus Gives in Matt 22:1-14... The parable of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son. The King's Son is not mentioned in the parable, only in the title...

The WHOLE of Christ is about Enabling Us To Come Unto HIS Father and Live In, With and Through HIM.

"Marvel not that I Say unto you, YE MUST BE Born-Again!"

ALL Is About Answering Father's Call which is Upon Your Heart...


As Jesus Witnesses in vs 14: "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

Everyone who Loves Christ and KNOWS WHO HE IS was "chosen" BY The Father. Called To Come Unto HIM and Be Born-Again...

Yet, what Jesus Witnesses in vs. 14 is that Few Will Answer Father's Call. Few Will CHOOSE-Elect to Come Unto The Father.


If you Claim HIM, only by ACTING On Your Faith can you Be Born-Again.

Faith w/o works (Action) is dead!
If you never Manifest Your Heart Unto The Father, your Faith and Belief meant NOTHING.

You'll be in that long line with the Super-Christians of Matt 7:22 who "Did Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied", but never got around to being Born-Again...

Jesus Tells them: "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity; I KNOW YOU NOT!"

Only by Being Given that New Heart Of Father's Flesh and Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will (EZK 36:26-27) are we Delivered from our carnal, iniquitous heart....


Doesn't matter about others, until YOU HAVE BEEN Born-Again.

Only Through Father's Guidance and Witness can we DO HIS Will. Only By KNOWING HIM can we share with others THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT.


These are The Final Moments.
Those who don't KNOW WHO CHRIST Jesus IS were NOT Called BY The Father...


What matters in your life is can you decide to Come Unto The Father and Trust HIM With all you are and all you ever will be? If so, NOW is the time to Tell HIM!

Maranatha!!!

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IF our OP looks even deeper at the meaning of the verses he/she has cited; MIGHT just find Christ Jesus' Central Witness:

IT ALL ties back to John 3:7 and John 14:6; notably:
"Marvel not that I Say unto you, Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" &
"...No man Cometh Unto The Father BUT BY ME!"

OP is not an Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again though... Father has not Given him/her "A New Heart Of (HIS) Flesh" replacing his carnal, "stony-heart". Nor has Father Enabled him/her to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes".

Christ's John 17 Witness, the ONLY Witness HE ever Gave in form of a Prayer, is HIS Witness Of The Born-Again Life.
-----------------------------------------------------
Only Through Father's Guidance and Witness can we DO HIS Will. Only By KNOWING HIM can we share with others THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT.

These are The Final Moments.
Those who don't KNOW WHO CHRIST Jesus IS were NOT Called BY The Father...

What matters in your life is can you decide to Come Unto The Father and Trust HIM With all you are and all you ever will be? If so, NOW is the time to Tell HIM!

Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester


Really?

What do YOU know of what the Father and His Son have done in my life?

NOTHING.


"Jesus' ONLY prayer / witness"?

NOPE.


How about...

John 11

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

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IF our OP looks even deeper at the meaning of the verses he/she has cited; MIGHT just find Christ Jesus' Central Witness:

IT ALL ties back to John 3:7 and John 14:6; notably:
"Marvel not that I Say unto you, Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" &
"...No man Cometh Unto The Father BUT BY ME!"

OP is not an Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again though... Father has not Given him/her "A New Heart Of (HIS) Flesh" replacing his carnal, "stony-heart". Nor has Father Enabled him/her to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes".

Christ's John 17 Witness, the ONLY Witness HE ever Gave in form of a Prayer, is HIS Witness Of The Born-Again Life.
-----------------------------------------------------
Only Through Father's Guidance and Witness can we DO HIS Will. Only By KNOWING HIM can we share with others THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT.

These are The Final Moments.
Those who don't KNOW WHO CHRIST Jesus IS were NOT Called BY The Father...

What matters in your life is can you decide to Come Unto The Father and Trust HIM With all you are and all you ever will be? If so, NOW is the time to Tell HIM!

Maranatha!!!
 Quoting: Lester


Really?

What do YOU know of what the Father and His Son have done in my life?

NOTHING.


"Jesus' ONLY prayer / witness"?

NOPE.


How about...

John 11

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

 Quoting: TheLordsServant


What do I KNOW?


You have no witness... Lots of well-considered and well-intended rationalizations; but Never Having Stood In Father's Presence to make your surrender; you Know nothing.


IF Father HAD Delivered you from your carnal-heart, you would understand what that means.

This is The Laodicean church age... Unless you were born before the 1920s, you're Laodicean. All your well-intentions and well-meaning efforts to BE HIS count for nothing, until you Take Action and Come Unto The Father.

The Laodicean pros, those with their divinity degrees and denominational credentials never Heard The Gospel, so they never witnessed it to you...

Is this fair? Gonna question God's "fairness"?
HE's Not "fair"...
HE IS PERFECT!
HIS WILL IS Perfect!

Thusly, it is up to us to Manifest Our Heart Unto HIM and Come Unto The Father in complete capitulative surrender. We surrender our free-will, that self-will that A&E chose in The Garden over HIS Will. All men inherit the alienation from God that A&E chose; until they decide they can Trust God Fully and Completely, and Tell HIM So...


It's funny to me... Christ Witnesses that those who seek with their head rather than their heart are NOT HIS Concern. Yet, you OP, look to engage those so far alienated.

You write "I claim that John 17 is the Son of God praying to & talking to OUR Father!" Well, duh now... Anyone with 2nd grade reading comprehension can "see" the verse syntax and grasp it; or they could if they had been Delivered.

John 17 is Christ's Witness of The Born-Again Life; yet not being Born-Again yourself, you don't "See".


In these Final Moments, those who did not Enter In At The Strait Gate, are on the outs. Strait Gate is LONG CLOSED. Entering IN at Strait Gate marks the Believer, the Faithful. Yet, like them in Matt 7:22; UNLESS Take Action by Coming Unto The Father, Christ Says: "Depart from ME, you who work Iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"

There's nothing to be gained for you (or for God) by engaging such ignorance or enmity.

As Jesus Says in Matt 16:13-20 when only Peter KNEW HIM To BE "The Christ, Son Of The Living God!" ONLY The Father Could Have PUT That Knowledge On Peter's Heart... It is "Upon This Rock" (This KNOWLEDGE OF WHO HE IS) that I Build MY Church1" And then HE Cautions The Apostles NOT To Tell Anyone HE IS The Christ...

But you're not Delivered from your stony-hearted self-will; NOT Ezk 36:26-27 Born-Again.... Probably, you Could Be; but that means Coming Unto The Father in Total and Complete Capitulation of self and surrendering your will and Accepting HIS Will for you Now and Forever...

This IS The Gospel... God Willed For There To BE A WAY for us to Come Unto HIM and KNOW HIM Personally and Directly. HE Sent HIS Only Son To Enable this for us By HIS Witness, The Gospel, and Sacrifice on calvary.

Until we Take Action, make our Leap Of Faith, Coming Unto Father not Knowing what HE Will DO about us, but KNOWING whatever HE Chooses For Us will be Right and Just. Such is surrender. Such is HOW We Become Partakers In HIS Victory. Such is how we Die Unto Self and Become Alive Forever IN, With, and Through HIM!

Once you have taken this action, Done This, you are Given the ability to witness to others. You are Given Discernment By God The Holy Spirit WHO Dwells Now Within.

It's all the same for every Born-Again, but most never made their Leap and never Stood In Father's Presence.

That's why you're arguing with these idiots who Don't KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS... You fail to take action and you remain carnally convicted that all is fine; that 'God Knows You're Good' and even though you never did Miracles, or Cast-Out demons, or Prophesied; you can't imagine that there really is A WAY to Come Into Father's Presence and BE Made Anew.


If you read John 17 with a Born-Again Heart, you See Jesus Witnesses that we were Father's People first, then were Entrusted To Jesus, WHO Then Returns Us UNTO HIM just before HIS crucifixion.

All Of Christianity IS About The Father!
HIS Love For Us and Desire to KNOW Us Personally and Directly.

Have to Manifest Your Heart Unto HIM without reservation or condition to make that happen.

"For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"
Up to YOU to do the Choosing.
Upt to YOU to Choose to make your surrender.


Very soon, God's 3 Angels of Rev 14:7-9 will announce HIS Witness. First that The Age Of Faith Has Ended and with it The Way Unto The Father Has Closed. Second, that mystery babylon the city/state/nation; America, is "gone in one hour", and third that the man-of-sin has come on the scene.

By then, we are either In and Of-HIM, or we are without...


Time to Decide; Today, if you can Trust HIM Fully with all you are and all you ever will be... If you can, Take Action and Tell HIM in earnest and sincere prayer...

HE Made The Way For Us, but we must take it on our own.


Maranatha!!!
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What do I KNOW?

You have no witness... Lots of well-considered and well-intended rationalizations; but Never Having Stood In Father's Presence to make your surrender; you Know nothing.

IF Father HAD Delivered you from your carnal-heart, you would understand what that means.
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You write "I claim that John 17 is the Son of God praying to & talking to OUR Father!" Well, duh now... Anyone with 2nd grade reading comprehension can "see" the verse syntax and grasp it; or they could if they had been Delivered.

John 17 is Christ's Witness of The Born-Again Life; yet not being Born-Again yourself, you don't "See".

As Jesus Says in Matt 16:13-20 when only Peter KNEW HIM To BE "The Christ, Son Of The Living God!" ONLY The Father Could Have PUT That Knowledge On Peter's Heart... It is "Upon This Rock" (This KNOWLEDGE OF WHO HE IS) that I Build MY Church" And then HE Cautions The Apostles NOT To Tell Anyone HE IS The Christ...

That's why you're arguing with these idiots who Don't KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS... You fail to take action and you remain carnally convicted that all is fine; that 'God Knows You're Good' and even though you never did Miracles, or Cast-Out demons, or Prophesied; you can't imagine that there really is A WAY to Come Into Father's Presence and BE Made Anew.

If you read John 17 with a Born-Again Heart, you See Jesus Witnesses that we were Father's People first, then were Entrusted To Jesus, WHO Then Returns Us UNTO HIM just before HIS crucifixion.

All Of Christianity IS About The Father!
HIS Love For Us and Desire to KNOW Us Personally and Directly.

HE Made The Way For Us, but we must take it on our own.

Maranatha!!!
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You agree with me that Jesus is God's SON, yet you BASH me for proclaiming such.

This isn't MY "work".

It's the Father & His Son working THROUGH me, with the Holy Spirit point out verses and passages.

I "have no witness"?

It was the Father, Jehovah, who told me 3+ years ago that "He needed me to quit drinking". I did, and it truly WAS Jehovah who told me that since my income level dropped significantly just after that.

And 2 years prior to this, Jehovah told me that He would heal my chronic "swimmer's ear" in 3 days.

He did THAT too.

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Yeah. Jesus is not God, just as we are not our biological dad and mom but we kind of are.

We are individual but at the same time we are all one. Family.

We are each individual human (son of man) beings (son of God)
We are both earthly and heavenly.

We are all ONE in The Father.
We all come from one source.

Some have found the narrow path and some are following the broad path and some are following the teaching of man which leads to falling into the ways of the world.

We are in this world but we are not OF this world.

See that man does not deceive you my brothers and sisters.
Study the Word of God and look inside of yourself. Strive for a personal relationship with The Lord and The Father.

You have no need of anyone else to teach you!

Know thyself!
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Jesus is God.
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When Scripture says that He lowered Himself to come and take on the form of a man,

what does that mean?

It means He is God.
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Addition to my above post-
"We are in this world but we are not OF this world" meaning we are not OF this fallen and evil society. We take no part in filth!

We are not of the illusion. We are not of the matrix.
We do not participate!

We are definitely of the Earth in that she is our Mother!
We respect and treat her as such and she is a shining jewel and beautiful.

Always imagine the waters being clear everywhere on this planet and nature is not destroyed but reborn and even more beautiful!
We have the power to create and clean up disasters!
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Jesus is God.
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When Scripture says that He lowered Himself to come and take on the form of a man,

what does that mean?

It means He is God.
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No it doesn't.

What part of the only-begotten "Son OF God" is it that you can't comprehend?

...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19
...I give THANKS to the Father. John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19
I am but a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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How many dimensions does God occupy?
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The Father is God.

The Son is God.

The Spirit is God.


Holy, holy, holy
is the Lord God Almighty.

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When Scripture says that He lowered Himself to come and take on the form of a man,

what does that mean?


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"And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

"I, Jesus



Revelation 22:12-16



"behold, I am coming quickly
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."
I, Jesus



What does this mean?