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Message Subject Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study
Poster Handle Anonymous Coward
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Because you say that's what the scripture says?

It does not work like that.

Satan quoted the exact words of God. Does that make Satan right? Did Satan quote God correctly? Yes he did. Unfortunately, it was the right information, but with the wrong implication.

That is called "bearing false witness." It's not a lie, it's misrepresentation, or rather, the twisting of God's words. Any Tom, Dick or Harry (maybe even a "Lord's Servant") can do that.
 Quoting: TheLordsServant


And that is where you are wrong again.

Satan isn't quoting God. He's quoting the writer of Psalm 91.

In Matthew 4:6, Satan says "it is written"....he does NOT say "God SAID".

Humongous difference.


So, I just finished the entire thread.

My synopsis is that it is like an all you can eat buffet of copy and paste Bible verses that people pretend will prove that Jesus is not God in the flesh with an oversized side dish of insistence that the copy and paste verifies someone's opinion because they can copy and paste.

Whew. Long sentence.

Basically: Copy and paste.

I predict more forthcoming copy and paste.
 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


And what did Paul say?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


Here we go again with the false Jesus is not God BS... careful now

Galatians Chapter 1

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76704912


Both of you deny what Jesus actually told us.

Scriptural Facts about who Jesus is.

***Jesus mentions "God" / "the Father" / "He who sent me" over 230 times in the 4 Gospels.
***Jesus goes off to pray to the Father by Himself. ALL of John 17 is Jesus praying to / talking to the Father.
***Jesus starts the Lord's Prayer with "Our Father", which is inclusive of Jesus.
***Jesus does NOT KNOW when He is going to return.
***Jesus NEVER says to "pray to me" or "ask me". Instead, Jesus says to "ask in My name".
***After Jesus' baptism (Matthew 3:17 & Mark 1:11), and the Father's voice is heard.
***Peter et al...are told at the transfiguration (by God The Father)...(Matthew 17 & Luke 9).. "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."
***Jesus says (in Mark 10 & Luke 18)...And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God."
***Mark 16:19 (KJV) So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
***In Matthew 28 Jesus said He was GIVEN power and authority over heaven and earth.
***Jesus states SEVERAL times that He does ONLY the Will of the Father.
***Jesus call Himself "son of man". Would God the Father really do that? I think not.
***Just before Jesus raises Lazarus, He says in John 11:41 Then they took away the stone [from the place] where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up [his] eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

God the Father has no reason to "pray to Himself" in John 17. IF Jesus WAS the Father, EVERYTHING stated above wouldn't even be in scripture / recorded.

Jesus is the Divine, only-begotten Son of the Living God, GIVEN authority over Heaven and Earth BY the Father

 Quoting: Laughing Falcon


So not only do you believe that Jesus is not God in the flesh, you also believe that God is only speaking in the Bible when the Bible says "God said" or "quotes" God.

I have to inform you that every single solitary Word in the Bible IS "God said."

Not one word in the Bible was written from the mind of a man. Not one. God is speaking in the entirety of the Word and speaking by use of the hand of men to write EXACTLY what "God said" using the hand of human men.

Wow. I had no idea that you did not understand that the Bible IS, God said. ALL of it.

Just wow. Friend, it goes deeper than I had known.
 
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