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Message Subject Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study
Poster Handle Lester
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IF our OP looks even deeper at the meaning of the verses he/she has cited; MIGHT just find Christ Jesus' Central Witness:

IT ALL ties back to John 3:7 and John 14:6; notably:
"Marvel not that I Say unto you, Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" &
"...No man Cometh Unto The Father BUT BY ME!"

OP is not an Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again though... Father has not Given him/her "A New Heart Of (HIS) Flesh" replacing his carnal, "stony-heart". Nor has Father Enabled him/her to KNOW and DO HIS Will, and "Keep MY Statutes".

Christ's John 17 Witness, the ONLY Witness HE ever Gave in form of a Prayer, is HIS Witness Of The Born-Again Life.


While every forum Christian I've ever encountered embraces John 3:15-17 so warmly and clingingly, they never connect that these verses are the conclusion of Jesus' Witness to Nicodemus... HE Tells Nic 3x 'you must be Born-Again", most emphatically in John 3:7

The whole of John 3:1-17 is Jesus Witnessing to Nic. Nobody ever sees the Conditional Modifiers of "should" and "might" which are used in each verse from 15-17. Twice HE Says "Should Not Perish" and once, "Might be saved".

You read John 17, and you're concerned with PROVING that Jesus isn't God The Father????

Too bad you don't See & Hear The Gospel; but how could you? It Requires HEART as Jesus Tells us in Matthew 13:11-15
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Doesn't matter if you view yourself as some kind of "defender of Christ" or "defender of The Faith".

What matters in the scope of YOUR LIFE is ACTING ON The Love you claim to have for Christ and The Father....


If you're Seeking HIM through study and intellectual analysis, then you are one of those who Christ Don't Care About. HE Says So, in Matt 13:15.... "...lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."


Jesus Tells Nic, (back to John 3:11) "WE Tell you what WE Have Seen & Know and still you reject OUR Witness!" How can I Tell you about Heavenly things when you won't hear about earthly things?"



There it is kids...
In John 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People (Ezk 36:26-27 Born-Agains) are "Preserved Against ALL evil" and that they Abide In and With HIM and HIS Father, now on earth and later in Heaven.

Nicodemus came to see Jesus because, John tells us, he Knew Jesus was Sent By The Father... He just could never act upon it. Nic even helped pay for Jesus' tomb and burial.


Jesus is amazed that Nic can't grasp the whole being Born-Again thing.... "Art thou a master of israel and knowest not of these things?" HE Says to Nic in vs 10....


Christ Was Sent By HIS Father to Redeem us and Bring The Gospel to the world.

If you don't "Come Unto The Father", HIS Sacrifice on calvary was for nothing; at least as it concerns you...


The Entire Witness of Christ, The Whole Purpose of Christianity; Jesus Gives in Matt 22:1-14... The parable of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son. The King's Son is not mentioned in the parable, only in the title...

The WHOLE of Christ is about Enabling Us To Come Unto HIS Father and Live In, With and Through HIM.

"Marvel not that I Say unto you, YE MUST BE Born-Again!"

ALL Is About Answering Father's Call which is Upon Your Heart...


As Jesus Witnesses in vs 14: "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

Everyone who Loves Christ and KNOWS WHO HE IS was "chosen" BY The Father. Called To Come Unto HIM and Be Born-Again...

Yet, what Jesus Witnesses in vs. 14 is that Few Will Answer Father's Call. Few Will CHOOSE-Elect to Come Unto The Father.


If you Claim HIM, only by ACTING On Your Faith can you Be Born-Again.

Faith w/o works (Action) is dead!
If you never Manifest Your Heart Unto The Father, your Faith and Belief meant NOTHING.

You'll be in that long line with the Super-Christians of Matt 7:22 who "Did Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied", but never got around to being Born-Again...

Jesus Tells them: "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity; I KNOW YOU NOT!"

Only by Being Given that New Heart Of Father's Flesh and Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will (EZK 36:26-27) are we Delivered from our carnal, iniquitous heart....


Doesn't matter about others, until YOU HAVE BEEN Born-Again.

Only Through Father's Guidance and Witness can we DO HIS Will. Only By KNOWING HIM can we share with others THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT.


These are The Final Moments.
Those who don't KNOW WHO CHRIST Jesus IS were NOT Called BY The Father...


What matters in your life is can you decide to Come Unto The Father and Trust HIM With all you are and all you ever will be? If so, NOW is the time to Tell HIM!

Maranatha!!!
 
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