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The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !

 
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The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

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Also being hit from the side, if there was any forward or reverse motion of the warship there would have been at least a few feet of shear damage. Maybe even a few inches. The "V" from were the oil tanker hit it shows that the McCain was not in any forward or reverse motion. Anyone that knows metals would understand that this warship was disabled.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Christ, god help the navy should something real go down, if they can’t navigate the sea without running into shit now...

How the fuck are they going to get around in wartime?

So many pointless deaths.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Even the perfect conical shape of were the bulbous front of the oil tanker went into the base of the ship shows not one inch of shear, as it is perfectly symmetrical. Look at it closely.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Christ, god help the navy should something real go down, if they can’t navigate the sea without running into shit now...

How the fuck are they going to get around in wartime?

So many pointless deaths.
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The ship ran into nothing as it was disabled. The tanker hit is as it was dead (warship) in the water.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Didn't the Clintons sell our tech to China? And didn't China expect Hillary to win and hand over the store, which they already own? What about Trump and the devil's food cake? Why haven't we bombed NK? Because that would mean full on war with China. This secret war is bad enough.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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Look up the USS Donald Cook. 27 sailors resigned after that happened. Hell they even have video of when it happened.

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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Well the Chinese probably built the electronics for this ship so that probably isn't too hard for them.
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There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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They got the Tech from Russia. Russia proved the Tech a couple of years ago when they disabled our Destroyer!
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Man, you got my hopes up with "McCain was fully disabled" and then you took it away...
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Man, you got my hopes up with "McCain was fully disabled" and then you took it away...
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That post took some real critical thinking, understanding and thought !

Way to articulate ! cruise
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Man, you got my hopes up with "McCain was fully disabled" and then you took it away...
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That post took some real critical thinking, understanding and thought !

Way to articulate ! cruise
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Oh I get it ! lmao
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
REQUESTED a


pine


For discussion.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

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Excellent observation OP, I concur, no shear damage and a very highly suspicious incident...
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REQUESTED a


:pine:


For discussion.
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I was just going to request. Can anyone articulate another conclusion or circumstance ?

I can't.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
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Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship.

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"Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it."

These incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems.

Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision?

"It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen."
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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I agree and op is right that ship was not moving

that was a dead hit
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Interesting its pretty much the same spot as the Fitzgerald - same side, right before/at the main superstructure. somebody thinks thats the place to hit a ship to sink them?


lets see if this merchant ship was taking a meandering path as well

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Who wants to bet some woman was on watch but was absorbed into her facebook when it happened.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


This is what happens when US military shipped are stocked with snowflake leftist commanders, women and trannies. They were probably all off the bridge attending sensitivity training at the time of the collision.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
thats a missile or torpedo hole..no way in the world thats from an oil tanker, it would have bent and buckled like a tin can rather then pierce direct through a double skin hull like that..its clearly a missile hole
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thats a missile or torpedo hole..no way in the world thats from an oil tanker, it would have bent and buckled like a tin can rather then pierce direct through a double skin hull like that..its clearly a missile hole
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no it has rounded edges it was a direct strike and

the op is right it was not moving. it was dead in the water
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Look at 8:35 of this video. If the McCain was under power the "V" from the main part of the tanker and the bulbous base of the tanker, would have been elongated as the bulbous baseline would have bent the indent more. If the McCain was under power.

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
the top looks more like RUST than PRIMER
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Trump announced he was going after china's trade theft yesterday.

He is officially launching a 301 investigation against China which, in turn, kicks sell-out corporation special interest groups right in the balls: (Less than 50%):

The results of these decades-long special interest approaches are visibly evident across most of the U.S. rust belt states. Additional reference points can be found in the historic North-American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA – Mexico/Canada), the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP – Asia), and Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP – Europe).

Much to the angst of the lobbying team within the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, President Trump has dispatched both the TPP and TTIP schemes in favor of bilateral trade deals with individual nations; and NAFTA renegotiation has started.

Last week President Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping held a previously scheduled phone call. No doubt the keenly instinctual negotiator President Trump would give the respect of advance notice to Xi Jinping if 301 investigations are going to be announced.

Again, what is often forgotten is that modern China has never seen the U.S. launch a 301 trade investigation against it, or anyone else. China’s rise to economic power has been within two prior decades where prior U.S. administrations’ were selling out the American economy using the World Trade Organization (WTO), created in 1995.


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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
thats a missile or torpedo hole..no way in the world thats from an oil tanker, it would have bent and buckled like a tin can rather then pierce direct through a double skin hull like that..its clearly a missile hole
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No it's not.

Look at this video. The sheet metal was bent not pierced !

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Also, it does not look like the "cargo ship" had any ballast. Sitting high in the water.
Not to mention the top looks rusted like its an old injury, and not just red lead primer exposed.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Also, it does not look like the "cargo ship" had any ballast. Sitting high in the water.
Not to mention the top looks rusted like its an old injury, and not just red lead primer exposed.
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The rust starts within a few minutes on unprotected steel from the saltwater.





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