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The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !

 
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You are missing the most important part.


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Anyone else think it's strange that the other ship's name is an anagram of L McCain?

Who is L McCain, or is the 'L' symbolic? Almost like someone was sending a message...

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Even that baring McCain''s namesake is a useless pile of garbage incapable of doing its job properly.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Just to bump my own post onto page 2.

Amazing timing by the BBC!

What this security expert is saying is that he knows that seizing control of a vessel in order to cause a collision is actually possible.

It's no good having the world's strongest navy if you can't berth your ships in a safe place.

There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
 Quoting: LunaFlora


Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship.

[link to www.bbc.com]

"Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it."

These incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems.

Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision?

"It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen."
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

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Also being hit from the side, if there was any forward or reverse motion of the warship there would have been at least a few feet of shear damage. Maybe even a few inches. The "V" from were the oil tanker hit it shows that the McCain was not in any forward or reverse motion. Anyone that knows metals would understand that this warship was disabled.
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The USS McCain had lost steering - so it was a sitting duck.

"A US Navy official told CNN the USS John S McCain had experienced a loss of steering before the collision with the 30,000 ton, 600 foot long oil tanker but was steaming under its own power to port despite limited propulsion and electrical power."

[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]

(I did not go to CNN to find the original because fuck them).
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Here is what you need to get this pinned ...

Check out the below article. ...

USS McCain Transits Near China's Mischief Reef Base
[link to maritime-executive.com]

On 8/11 ... 9. Days ago, USU MCain passed with 12 mm of Chinese artificial island in a freedom of the seas transit. Now hit whiles disabled and dead in the water.

Will US have the balls to call it what it obviously is ... a deliberate attack in retaliation for the 12nm transit?
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Anyone else think it's strange that the other ship's name is an anagram of L McCain?

Who is L McCain, or is the 'L' symbolic? Almost like someone was sending a message...

damned

[link to www.eli-lsmerchantile.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64196794


L is the right angle square in the masons logo
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Also, it does not look like the "cargo ship" had any ballast. Sitting high in the water.
Not to mention the top looks rusted like its an old injury, and not just red lead primer exposed.
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The rust starts within a few minutes on unprotected steel from the saltwater.
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When the last one was rammed that made the news (4 total) they showed the bilge pumps pumping a day later and not a sign of rust.
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08/21/2017 09:38 AM
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
As we suggested with the USS Fitz, there is every chance that this is another Chinese jam-and-ram.

The Chinese have apparently succeeded in creating an electronic weapon which disables our ships' nav, turning them into sitting ducks for the ever-present "merchant ships" to then t-bone, or, alternately, our ships can be driven into other ships, making it look like our fault.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Here is what you need to get this pinned ...

Check out the below article. ...

USS McCain Transits Near China's Mischief Reef Base
[link to maritime-executive.com]

On 8/11 ... 9. Days ago, USU MCain passed with 12 mm of Chinese artificial island in a freedom of the seas transit. Now hit whiles disabled and dead in the water.

Will US have the balls to call it what it obviously is ... a deliberate attack in retaliation for the 12nm transit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75411214


^ EXACTLY THIS ^
Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

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This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
 Quoting: hollyavila


This is exactly right, and I said the same thing when the Fitz was hit.

Poor schmuck commander got canned over it, and it's the military's fault for NOT shielding our electronics from these kinds of hacks.
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08/21/2017 09:42 AM
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Where's the senator this morning? Is this a "coded" story? Does it mean the senator is no longer with us? Not wishing for such. But he did recently commit an "act of war" against the American people by voting the way he did on Ocare. Making his name MUD.
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08/21/2017 09:44 AM
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


Also being hit from the side, if there was any forward or reverse motion of the warship there would have been at least a few feet of shear damage. Maybe even a few inches. The "V" from were the oil tanker hit it shows that the McCain was not in any forward or reverse motion. Anyone that knows metals would understand that this warship was disabled.
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Treason by the crew or the crew was taken hostage by a commando?
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Man, you got my hopes up with "McCain was fully disabled" and then you took it away...
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Was click bait for me too.

For some reason the assertion that the ship was disabled by foreign tech doesn't surprise me one bit. Completely plausible.
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Here is the real cause for the crash, and good for trump

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Here is what you need to get this pinned ...

Check out the below article. ...

USS McCain Transits Near China's Mischief Reef Base
[link to maritime-executive.com]

On 8/11 ... 9. Days ago, USU MCain passed with 12 mm of Chinese artificial island in a freedom of the seas transit. Now hit whiles disabled and dead in the water.

Will US have the balls to call it what it obviously is ... a deliberate attack in retaliation for the 12nm transit?
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Trump is pumping his balls right now jerkit
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I work with an ex Navy man - He cannot believe all of this happening to US navy ships.
If I were Trump or anyone in the US navy I would be shitting bricks. All their ships are sitting ducks.
Just large coffins...
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... so it's like one earlier ... suspected as much! ...
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... a WEAPON is being used against our navy!! ...
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... but our navy doesn't want that known ...
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


Also being hit from the side, if there was any forward or reverse motion of the warship there would have been at least a few feet of shear damage. Maybe even a few inches. The "V" from were the oil tanker hit it shows that the McCain was not in any forward or reverse motion. Anyone that knows metals would understand that this warship was disabled.
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The USS McCain had lost steering - so it was a sitting duck.

"A US Navy official told CNN the USS John S McCain had experienced a loss of steering before the collision with the 30,000 ton, 600 foot long oil tanker but was steaming under its own power to port despite limited propulsion and electrical power."

[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]

(I did not go to CNN to find the original because fuck them).
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Another lie. If it had power it had some kind of steering. It has at least two propellers or screws on each side of the keel. You can still steer the ship but its not maneuverable.
Power down one side and power up the other screw. Still does not explain the non-shear condition. They say they had power but no steering ? It was daylight. They could have steered away from that other tanker vessel as the centuries would have seen it at least 10 nautical miles. They could have started steering the ship long before it got hit.

Another lie.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Here is what you need to get this pinned ...

Check out the below article. ...

USS McCain Transits Near China's Mischief Reef Base
[link to maritime-executive.com]

On 8/11 ... 9. Days ago, USU MCain passed with 12 mm of Chinese artificial island in a freedom of the seas transit. Now hit whiles disabled and dead in the water.

Will US have the balls to call it what it obviously is ... a deliberate attack in retaliation for the 12nm transit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75411214


Trump is pumping his balls right now jerkit
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trump-HRYK
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Sounds like "Someone" has the ability to render The US Navy Totally Helpless whenever they want and plow a boat into any vessel they choose to neutralize.

The implications are terrifying for Naval Warfare.

What if it works on planes too?
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Senior Navy intelligence officer was removed in 2014 for warning us about China:

"Fanell warned during a February public appearance that a recent Chinese amphibious exercise led naval intelligence to assess that China's strategy was to be able to launch a "short, sharp war" with Japan, an unusually frank assessment about a closely watched region."

[link to www.navytimes.com]
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
From that pic you can tell the McCain was dead in the water. There is no shear damage from a ship under power. It was a direct hit ! The McCain would have been under full power to get out of the way of a ship that was 4 times it's size. It was also full daylight as far as I know. No shear no power. Look at where the "V" shaped part of the haul hit the war ship. Not one inch of shear.

Look at the photo:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


Also being hit from the side, if there was any forward or reverse motion of the warship there would have been at least a few feet of shear damage. Maybe even a few inches. The "V" from were the oil tanker hit it shows that the McCain was not in any forward or reverse motion. Anyone that knows metals would understand that this warship was disabled.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


The USS McCain had lost steering - so it was a sitting duck.

"A US Navy official told CNN the USS John S McCain had experienced a loss of steering before the collision with the 30,000 ton, 600 foot long oil tanker but was steaming under its own power to port despite limited propulsion and electrical power."

[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]

(I did not go to CNN to find the original because fuck them).
 Quoting: RefreshPage


If USS McCain had lost steering but kapt its propulsion it could have avoided the collision. Something is very fishy in this story.
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this is not making sense
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There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
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kitty That's for sure.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Senior Navy intelligence officer was removed in 2014 for warning us about China:

"Fanell warned during a February public appearance that a recent Chinese amphibious exercise led naval intelligence to assess that China's strategy was to be able to launch a "short, sharp war" with Japan, an unusually frank assessment about a closely watched region."

[link to www.navytimes.com]
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Fanell didn't demonstrate a positive thinking, so he was fired. On the other hand jerkit Trump is high on positive thinking and will demonstrate "rage and fire" the likes of which the world has never seen!1rof1
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Also, it does not look like the "cargo ship" had any ballast. Sitting high in the water.
Not to mention the top looks rusted like its an old injury, and not just red lead primer exposed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74568784


The rust starts within a few minutes on unprotected steel from the saltwater.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


When the last one was rammed that made the news (4 total) they showed the bilge pumps pumping a day later and not a sign of rust.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74568784


If you know metals, it could be that the metal from the other ship is rusting, from particles left from the other ship.
If you have quality metal hit by a cheap metal the metal fragments from the other cheap metal may be rusting, instead of the metal of quality. Depends ! IMHO !

Still does not explain the non-shear condition.
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the top looks more like RUST than PRIMER
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I was wondering about it being rusted already...
What we fear doing most is usually what we most need to do.
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It was captain Nemo and his Nautalis. My friend Pierre Aronax told me so.
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Who needs missiles when China can just freeze navs and turn any other ship on the sea into a giant projectile?





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