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The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !

 
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This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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What's certain is if you can't evade an object the size of a football field moving at 10 mi. per hour, how can you evade an object 20" inches in diameter moving at 3000 miles per hour?
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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
 Quoting: hollyavila

What's certain is if you can't evade an object the size of a football field moving at 10 mi. per hour, how can you evade an object 20" inches in diameter moving at 3000 miles per hour?
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By unleashing "fire and furry" 1rof1
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Trump reacts with "fire and furry":
The U.S. Navy is commissioning a new vessel, the USS Laughingstock, to replace the ships damaged in totally avoidable accidents this year.
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rofl5
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08/21/2017 11:27 AM
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
You folks got this all wrong...

The captain was trying out a new set of High-Heels for the Transvestite-Ball...

He tripped and got his Bra-Strap caught in the steering wheel.

Broke a nail and smeared his lip-stick...

Do you have any idea how hard it is to untangle your Bra from a steering wheel?

The vessel Zigged when it should have Zagged...

Could-of happened to anyone?

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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Just to bump my own post onto page 2.

Amazing timing by the BBC!

What this security expert is saying is that he knows that seizing control of a vessel in order to cause a collision is actually possible.

It's no good having the world's strongest navy if you can't berth your ships in a safe place.

There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
 Quoting: LunaFlora


Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship.

[link to www.bbc.com]

"Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it."

These incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems.

Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision?

"It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen."
 Quoting: BBC

 Quoting: henryk 68309252

 Quoting: henryk 68309252


Of course it is possible.

US Navy ships are running on Microsoft Windows platform. Extensively modified, of course, but still.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73021324


Doesn't surprise me. Even if the Navy can tighten up their own systems they're still vastly outnumbered by merchant vessels crewed by people from just about every country you can imagine who could care less about whether there might be a virus on that USB stick they plug into the ship's network. Some might even get paid to do it.
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...


Perhaps it should be called the USS McShame.
 Quoting: Carnac


A guy who dodged the draft five times making fun of a Vietnam POW.

Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


And yes, I know she's named for the dad and grandfather, not the Senator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


Read the story of how John McShitstain almost blew up an

entire aircraft carrier and killed several people you

wont think he is such a hero.

Just google his court marshal and death sentence
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Any time an election comes up, candidates who are vets get accused of [insert war crime].
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Just to bump my own post onto page 2.

Amazing timing by the BBC!

What this security expert is saying is that he knows that seizing control of a vessel in order to cause a collision is actually possible.

It's no good having the world's strongest navy if you can't berth your ships in a safe place.

...


Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship.

[link to www.bbc.com]

...

 Quoting: henryk 68309252

 Quoting: henryk 68309252


Of course it is possible.

US Navy ships are running on Microsoft Windows platform. Extensively modified, of course, but still.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73021324


Doesn't surprise me. Even if the Navy can tighten up their own systems they're still vastly outnumbered by merchant vessels crewed by people from just about every country you can imagine who could care less about whether there might be a virus on that USB stick they plug into the ship's network. Some might even get paid to do it.
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US warships stand no chance against merchant vessels! 1rof1
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Trump reacts with "fire and furry":
The U.S. Navy is commissioning a new vessel, the USS Laughingstock, to replace the ships damaged in totally avoidable accidents this year.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71911215


This sort of brings to mind Automation, and Driver-less cars and stuff...

Makes me think of being in a Driver-less car, when you are crossing a rail-road track.

All the sudden the car decides to STOP, shut-off the engine, and lock the doors.

You look out the window and their is a Freight-Train bearing down on you?

What do now?
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Steven Burket · U.S. Navy

I spent 12.5 years in the navy as an Operations Specialist, 7 years spent as a Track Sup, 3 of those years as a Watch Sup as well, what I can't fathom is how the hell this happens. You've got a surface radar guy, you've got a spa-25g guy, you've got the track sup, the watch officer, and tao in combat. Not to mention port/starboard/aft lookouts, then the bridge radar people.
The only time we've ever really had some semblance of trouble tracking is during low visibility. There should be no reason this happens 3 times in that short amount of time. While I'm not one to jump to conclusions there is something definitely wrong with the situation of 3 ships have incidents like this.
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They promote political hacks and their frat brothers and kick out technically competent people. THAT'S how it happens, IDIOT!
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Christ, god help the navy should something real go down, if they canít navigate the sea without running into shit now...

How the fuck are they going to get around in wartime?

So many pointless deaths.
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I believe something disabled that ship
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08/21/2017 11:38 AM
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It is now common knowledge that cars can be "interfered" with by IT, so it makes sense the same applies to ships, surely?
What choice do I have but to be myself? Everyone else was already taken.
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Trump reacts with "fire and furry":
The U.S. Navy is commissioning a new vessel, the USS Laughingstock, to replace the ships damaged in totally avoidable accidents this year.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

rofl5
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71911215


This sort of brings to mind Automation, and Driver-less cars and stuff...

Makes me think of being in a Driver-less car, when you are crossing a rail-road track.

All the sudden the car decides to STOP, shut-off the engine, and lock the doors.

You look out the window and their is a Freight-Train bearing down on you?

What do now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6064910


You switch to manual mode jerkit
Pedro
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08/21/2017 11:40 AM
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
So, if US ships can be disabled completely then everyone and their auntie knows.
I guess the thing about publically saying that this in an act of war carries with it too many problems....and of course from then on the public would expect a response.....
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So, if US ships can be disabled completely then everyone and their auntie knows.
I guess the thing about publically saying that this in an act of war carries with it too many problems....and of course from then on the public would expect a response.....
 Quoting: Pedro 1775961


I'd have to agree.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Even the perfect conical shape of were the bulbous front of the oil tanker went into the base of the ship shows not one inch of shear, as it is perfectly symmetrical. Look at it closely.
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yes
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships.
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This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships.
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(Among other crimes).

The Party is no longer in control of the Chinese military.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
Who wants to bet some woman was on watch but was absorbed into her facebook when it happened.
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Doesn't work that way ... our ships automated defenses systems would be tracking the ship miles and miles before collision
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There were also two Chinese vessels running in parallel just behind the Alnic, and one nearer the middle of the channel.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
It is now common knowledge that cars can be "interfered" with by IT, so it makes sense the same applies to ships, surely?
 Quoting: MySoul


We are talking about a MILITARY ship having LOTS OF WEAPONS that it could fire against any other vessel.
They have also lots of machine guns that could have used against any vessel.
They could have used the radio station to make emergency call for air support.
They could at least sound an alarm and evacuate the soldiers in the areas subjected to be knocked, to avoid casualties. None of the above took place. Why?
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This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships.
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How could they ram a ship that can maneuver at high speed and fire at them?
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This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


How could they ram a ship that can maneuver at high speed and fire at them?
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When it can't maneuver at high speed and fire at them.
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Chinese electronics. See, that's why we have a constitution. Prevent sabotage in any/every form.

Ban NAFTA made gear. Drones was a start. Nothing Chinese can be trusted. Not because of the workers, but because of the company owners.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
cargo ship travels 10 mph

you can see it a mile away

so what ... 6 minutes to react ?

I like OP theory, mccain was dead in the water, and cargo ship was caused to ram it
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This is why the Chinese prez ordered his military Xihadists to remain loyal to him, but they're not: the generals have basically staged a coup and are openly ramming US ships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


How could they ram a ship that can maneuver at high speed and fire at them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71911215


When it can't maneuver at high speed and fire at them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


That's impossible!

Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, two shafts, 100,000 total shaft horsepower (75 MW)

Speed: >30 knots (56 km/h)

Armament:
* 1 × 29 cell, 1 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launching systems with 90 × RIM-156 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-ASROC missiles
* 2 x Mk 141 Harpoon Missile Launcher SSM
* 1 × Mark 45 5/54 in (127/54 mm)
* 2 × 25 mm chain gun
* 4 × .50 caliber (12.7 mm) guns
* 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS
* 2 × Mk 32 triple torpedo tubes

Aircraft carried: 2 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters can be embarked
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Aircraft carried: 2 Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters can be embarked
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To lift off 3 minutes before impact and sink the cargo ship lol?
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payback?

[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Russian intel vessel sunk after collision with livestock vessel
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US Navy declares "operational pause" for all US fleets around the world
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No more drills with SK, no more WW3?
GLP is soon going to be a deserted place!
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There really is something amiss. What the hell is going on?
 Quoting: LunaFlora


Take a read of this interesting article from the BBC a few days ago, and scroll down to where it talks about seizing control of a ship.

[link to www.bbc.com]

"Ecdis systems pretty much never have anti-virus," says Mr Saunders, pointing out the vulnerability. "I don't think I've ever encountered a merchant ship Ecdis unit that had anti-virus on it."

These incidents are hugely disruptive to maritime businesses, but truly catastrophic scenarios might involve a hacker attempting to sabotage or even destroy a ship itself, through targeted manipulation of its systems.

Could that happen? Could, for example, a determined and well-resourced attacker alter a vessel's systems to provoke a collision?

"It's perfectly feasible," says Mr Saunders. "We've demonstrated proof-of-concept that that could happen."
 Quoting: BBC

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