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The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !

 
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payback?
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]
Russian intel vessel sunk after collision with livestock vessel
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I smell a rat
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More like VULTURE. Whose ships have not been affected. HEY MOE!!!
 Quoting: hillbilly


You bet, a third World wreck of a ship which was carrying a cargo of livestock sinks an intelligence reconnaissance frigate.

"Devrim Yaylali, an Istanbul-based Turkish naval expert and editor of the Bosphorus Naval News website, said the Liman had previously been to the Syrian coast but it was not clear where it was headed on this occasion.

"A collision is not something that happens very frequently," he told AFP.

He said the incident was an embarrassment for the Russian authorities as the Liman was likely carrying sensitive surveillance equipment that Moscow would want returned."

And yes fog was mentioned as the culprit
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Ever wonder why everyone wants these refuges so bad?....because they are powerless against their enemies now.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
If you think even more the total shutdown of the ship makes sense. Why were people still in the birthing area when a ship was going to hit the destroyer ? Because the could not make an open call on the com system ?


Another question for the former navy guys here.
Are the cam systems on a ship electronic ?

Bet they are.
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simple defense, install oars on all navy ships

if Russian shut electronics down they can row their way out of danger
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brilliant.

In my opinion, the USA could have handed over all its most secret gear to its enemy thanks to the enemy within
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So, if US ships can be disabled completely then everyone and their auntie knows.
I guess the thing about publically saying that this in an act of war carries with it too many problems....and of course from then on the public would expect a response.....
 Quoting: Pedro 1775961


NOT just ships, anything electrical
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Neither ships or anything electrical, but all the military personnel!

This is from 5 years ago:

Mind-bending ‘psychotronic’ guns that can effectively turn people into zombies have been given the go-ahead by Russian president Vladimir Putin.
Mr Putin added: ‘Such high-tech weapons systems will be comparable in effect to nuclear weapons, but will be more acceptable in terms of political and military ideology.’
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During the last three months you've seen the crews of two US navy destroyers and two merchant ships being mentally manipulated to produce the collisions of their ships.
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Same psychotronic weapons were used here:

Thread: What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
and here:
Thread: Us Navy Destroyer Crashes Merchant Ship at Japan Sea USS Fitzgerald Collides Merchant Vessel
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This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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this reminds of the 1964 gulf of tonkin ghost ship incident...history sure is repeating itself of late...the upcoming energy guzzling bay area battle royal, in some circles, is being billed as a right wing free speech movement, very similar to the 1964 left wing free speech movement at Berkeley...and we thank you for your support...
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Here's a Theory.
The boat was disabled on purpose (Foreign or Domestic) when crosssing another ships route resulting in said collision.
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The Fitz crew watched it turn back for them. We just had the sun go toenail here.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 08/21/2017 02:50 PM
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putin used his kung fu
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Hillary's Emails implicated in yet another naval tragedy? hiding
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Gunner Wolfe · GM2 at United States Navy
it's called "optimal manning" also known as undermanned vessel with long watches. the navy has been calling the DDG the work horse of the fleet for a reason... they work the shit out of them and the sailors. in for a few weeks out for a month... in for a week out for 3. now with longer sea rotations it's going to get worse. you can only get so much quality and quantity out of a human for so long before they need a recharge to maintain that standard. it's not just the watches... you have non stop drills at all hours, watches, and trouble calls for gear... when you underman techs the ones you do have get burnt out quick and make mistakes. makes sense they try and use any slow time they might get to doze off.... watch just happens to be the slow time ( as compared to hands in gear or running drills).
 Quoting: jake


i worked in a san diego military bueracracy for 27 years and i'm with you on this one...deeper into my career the ol 20/80 rule came into play, that is 20% did 80% of the work..its due to bad oil dollars shrinking the private sector and swelling up the public sector with the accompanying hypocracy...

whats even worse is the covert activity is at an alltime high as about half the guys in this realm are funded directly by energy dollars as mercenaries who just generate income for the energy sector thru covert acts...

all of the above is an old skill that can be seen if you do research on the gulf of Tonkin incident...and we thank you for your support..
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Bridge footage from the Fitz - seemed they did their damdest to move, watched it turn around for them.
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Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
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An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
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Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
Ankit Panda Retweeted
Bradley Peniston‏Verified account @navybook 40m40 minutes ago

4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days:
21 Aug: USS McCain
17 June: USS Fitzgerald
9 May: USS Lake Champlain
19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
So, if US ships can be disabled completely then everyone and their auntie knows.
I guess the thing about publically saying that this in an act of war carries with it too many problems....and of course from then on the public would expect a response.....
 Quoting: Pedro 1775961


NOT just ships, anything electrical
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75418306


Neither ships or anything electrical, but all the military personnel!

This is from 5 years ago:

Mind-bending ‘psychotronic’ guns that can effectively turn people into zombies have been given the go-ahead by Russian president Vladimir Putin.
Mr Putin added: ‘Such high-tech weapons systems will be comparable in effect to nuclear weapons, but will be more acceptable in terms of political and military ideology.’
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

During the last three months you've seen the crews of two US navy destroyers and two merchant ships being mentally manipulated to produce the collisions of their ships.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75418743


Same psychotronic weapons were used here:

Thread: What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
and here:
Thread: Us Navy Destroyer Crashes Merchant Ship at Japan Sea USS Fitzgerald Collides Merchant Vessel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75418743


speaking of high tech weopons,tim mcviegh and company, and it was a mighty big company involving conspirators from 5 other countries. used high tech bombs to crush the kids in that day care center...putin, nor china, were not involved...and we thank you for your support...
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damn Russkis.
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The only thing that could have put the McCain dead in the water, is a directed EMP weapon, which would have killed all electrical power. The loss of power would disable turbine controls, communications, both internal, and external, rudder controls, and all weapon systems except small arms, which would have been locked away.

The 10 "missing" crew members are probably in a crushed or flooded compartment that can't currently be accessed.

The Fitzgerald could have suffered the same kind of attack and the NAVY is keeping it under wraps by clamping down on the crew and destroying a few scapegoats.

If that assumption is true, there is no way the truth will not come out, no matter how hard the Navy attempts to sweep it under the rug.

Non-nuclear directed EMP weapons are a reality in today's world. The attempt to keep these attacks under wraps, is to avoid WW3. If China's responsibility comes out, the American public's pressure will force a military response.
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Here's a Theory.
The boat was disabled on purpose (Foreign or Domestic) when crosssing another ships route resulting in said collision.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32757157

The Fitz crew watched it turn back for them. We just had the sun go toenail here.
 Quoting: hillbilly


4 out of 5 pearls of wisdom ain't bad... I'd like to drop in 5 of my own...

we pray to different gods now...russian oil worker's reaction to the 91 break-up...

good is stronger than bad...russian expression

work as though you'll work a 100 years, think as if you'll die tomorrow...anonymous Bulgarian..

the fish rots from the head down...Russian civil service worker...

going to the old lightless wrigley field on some sunny weekend day was like going to the opera..its loud, crowded, confusing, emotional, and everyone dies in the last act..jim murray(the late great l.a. times sports columnist)...
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Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
Ankit Panda Retweeted
Bradley Peniston‏Verified account @navybook 40m40 minutes ago

4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days:
21 Aug: USS McCain
17 June: USS Fitzgerald
9 May: USS Lake Champlain
19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana
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destroying ships faster than they are being built
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damn Russkis.
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HA! Why do you think it has been Russia dis'n'dat? This is See Aye Hey Hey Hey all the way to AFG. Gotta build that Beltway. What's up on the Bhutan front I wonder?
Six out of seven dwarves aren't dopey.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 08/21/2017 04:04 PM
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Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
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The only thing that could have put the McCain dead in the water, is a directed EMP weapon, which would have killed all electrical power. The loss of power would disable turbine controls, communications, both internal, and external, rudder controls, and all weapon systems except small arms, which would have been locked away.

... The Fitzgerald could have suffered the same kind of attack and the NAVY is keeping it under wraps by clamping down on the crew and destroying a few scapegoats.

Non-nuclear directed EMP weapons are a reality in today's world. The attempt to keep these attacks under wraps, is to avoid WW3. If China's responsibility comes out, the American public's pressure will force a military response.
 Quoting: CaptnAndy


BULL - SHOT as to that last comment!!!

I would FIRST go after the Navy Brass for allowing a ship to even be built that was susceptible to such shenanigans!! (if they did occur)

If you build a floating rust bucket that can be remotely disabled then you are NOT a World Class Navy ... YOU ARE A WORLD CLASS FUCK UP NAVY!!

Whatever happened the US Navy HAS NO EXCUSE ... be it total incompetence on the Bridge, OR be it electronic warfare that can shut down a "sophisticated" and "new design" top of the line faster than one can say "oops".

Pure US Navy INCOMPETENCE EITHER WAY!!

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Quote Originally Posted by Lilbitsnana View Post
Ankit Panda Retweeted
Bradley Peniston‏Verified account @navybook 40m40 minutes ago

4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days:
21 Aug: USS McCain
17 June: USS Fitzgerald
9 May: USS Lake Champlain
19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana
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destroying ships faster than they are being built
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Sunburn can really disappear them;/ Sharpie, meet wall.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 08/21/2017 03:54 PM
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Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
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Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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What's the new slogan?...A force for global domination?...hmmm
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have they figured out who's sinking our navy?
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have they figured out who's sinking our navy?
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Ya tankers and frigates...looks like we can't get out of their way?...Big boat meet smaller boat...
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have they figured out who's sinking our navy?
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US Sailors!!!
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This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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Look up the USS Donald Cook. 27 sailors resigned after that happened. Hell they even have video of when it happened.


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No they didn't, that's fake news from some Russian propaganda site. People in the military can't simply "resign".
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Hotel Siberia.
Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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Even the perfect conical shape of were the bulbous front of the oil tanker went into the base of the ship shows not one inch of shear, as it is perfectly symmetrical. Look at it closely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75402979


That tanker was empty too, huh? Bulb was way up out of the water...

I haven't really followed this, anyone know what the tankers haul or destination was?
What exactly are they worshipping here?

:deadsheep:
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This is GLP and there are always several threads about the rapture. Almost daily.

Now...the future.....
In the future, moment unknown to me, three very lage ships each several thousands of miles diameter, will manifest around the Earth. Everyone can see at least one ship at any moment of the day.

The ones that behaved to bad will, within seconds, get a deep green skin. Just to let them know they have very little time to say their last words to the ones they did care for.

One to three days later they will be vanished and their clothes dropped where they stood.

The difference with the "rapture"?

The good stay and the bad go.
A few million go instead of a fixed number of 144,000.

The ones that got the green skin will have one of the following two destinations:
The "last resort"
Hell


Both were never there before but will be created at that time.

"last resort"..a short description.

Not on Earth, it will be on one of those ships.
About the size of Australia, but very different.
It will have the looks of Siberia, lots of marsh, cold and inhospitable. There will be loads of nasty insects and nasty plants. There will also be lots of good nutritious and healing plants.
The people there are supposed to live in harmony with nature, to not kill any animal on purpose, not even a fly.
Even logging has rules there.
If they do break one of those rules, they die and go to hell.

Some remarkable things about the "last resort".
When they come there they get a half build log cabin, they have to do the other half themselves.
They get hammers and nails, saws, axes and chisels and some pots and pans and kitchen utensils. Some steel wire and rope.
The get start food, they get cloth tarps, some soap and stuff like that. They get a bunch of boxes of matches and one of those Cerium sparky rods.

The weather will be very strange, one moment sunny and nice, two hours later golf ball hail. Stuff like that. It could be the opposite 3 miles from that place.

If they survive, they just survive. But in the end go to Hell.

If they learn to work together with others they go either back to Earth or to the afterlife.

I prefer not to describe Hell.

 Quoting: grumpier

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Think I'll stay, Lord willing.

Last Edited by hillbilly on 08/21/2017 04:22 PM
Water is the only drink for a wise man.
Call me a pot but heat me not.-Putin
Silence is where God speaks. Anything else is but a poor translation. -Rumi
Wanna hear God laugh? Just talk about your plans.
An old broom knows all the corners.
Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain.-Gibran
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First thing I would do If I were trump

is rename that ship... it is doomed
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Perhaps it should be called the USS McShame.
 Quoting: Carnac


A guy who dodged the draft five times making fun of a Vietnam POW.

Try again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60239118


Ok, how about "USS Songbird McCain" to recognize his outstanding military service?
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with all the boots out of service or damaged, we don't have many left, should the time come that we need them!

too many getting damaged lately!!!
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with all the boots out of service or damaged, we don't have many left, should the time come that we need them!

too many getting damaged lately!!!
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Better hire some cobblers to mend them!





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