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Israeli submarine --- attempting to frame North Korea (an enemy of Israel because it sells tech to Iran and Syria)
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Yep to this untrained eye sure looks like it was "T" boned while sitting still.
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If you think even more the total shutdown of the ship makes sense. Why were people still in the birthing area when a ship was going to hit the destroyer ? Because the could not make an open call on the com system ?


Another question for the former navy guys here.
Are the cam systems on a ship electronic ?

Bet they are.
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Are you Antifa, BLM, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, all of the above???
You are spouting crap without knowing the facts, again!! And anyone that has the truth from someone that was there is dismissed because it doesn't fit into your fantasy world.

Put down the game controller, Facebook, twitter, and get out of your mom's basement. Breathing some fresh air and a little exercise might do you some good.
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Thread: BREAKING- AFTER NAVY AND JET DISASTERS US CONFIRMS that RUSSIANS DEVELOPED A GPS/RADAR SPOOFING DEVICE WHICH SHOWS OBJECTS IN WRONG POSITION.
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This is war. Secret war with China. Somehow, they have the tech to scramble or disarm the electronics on a Navy ship. Same thing happened to the Fitzgerald. This is war with China folks, nothing less.
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They got the Tech from Russia. Russia proved the Tech a couple of years ago when they disabled our Destroyer!
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That was my initial thought, going back to the USS Donald Cook incident.

Too bad the US can't figure this out and engineer counter-tech to prevent it in the future..

Who paid the tanker ship's Captain to ram the US ship, and why can't - or didn't - the US stop the movement of that attacking ship?


The American public needs answers now.
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Directed EMP weapon a.k.a. "Safe-Stop" threat neutralizer...

Very interesting... And if this small device can do this, imagine what a larger scaled-up version might do...

Sounds like Those navy ships need to employ an internal Faraday Cage, or figure-out how to "insulate" / "mitigate" this or get a prototype developed with a longer range to use on approaching threats yet unidentified.

Tactical disadvantage 2 in several months -- that we know of...

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with all the boots out of service or damaged, we don't have many left, should the time come that we need them!

too many getting damaged lately!!!
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Better hire some cobblers to mend them!
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i like the one where one of our Boomer Subs was
doing an emergency surface exercise and smash the Keel
of a 100 Party Boat.

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"I would FIRST go after the Navy Brass for allowing a ship to even be built that was susceptible to such shenanigans!! (if they did occur)

If you build a floating rust bucket that can be remotely disabled then you are NOT a World Class Navy ... YOU ARE A WORLD CLASS FUCK UP NAVY!!"


When the effects of nuclear EMP were discovered after the high altitude last nuke test in the South Pacific, the US military started jumping through hoops to "Harden all the critical electronics from EMP effects.

Unfortunately, the effectiveness of that hardening is a function of the strength of the EMP pulse, power, and source distance. It appears that the EMP hardening of our military has not kept up with the advances in high power non-nuclear directed EMP when that weapon is activated at a close range.

Our forces can probably defend against a known enemy's plane, missile, or ship carrying an EMP device, before it can get close enough to be effective against the hardened warship. A neutral ship carrying an EMP device, passing two miles away in unrestricted sea lanes, is a threat that is almost impossible to counter in peacetime.

I do admit that the Post Obama Navy has serious problems, in resources, meaningful training, and leadership. I also suggest that the smart phones have become a serious threat to readyness.

A last observation, is that there is no way a virus attack, even to Microsoft operating systems, or remotely activated Chinese components, or an on-board enemy agent, could knock all those redundant systems.
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Maybe one of those North Korean subs did a kamikaze attack.
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"I would FIRST go after the Navy Brass for allowing a ship to even be built that was susceptible to such shenanigans!! (if they did occur)

If you build a floating rust bucket that can be remotely disabled then you are NOT a World Class Navy ... YOU ARE A WORLD CLASS FUCK UP NAVY!!"


When the effects of nuclear EMP were discovered after the high altitude last nuke test in the South Pacific, the US military started jumping through hoops to "Harden all the critical electronics from EMP effects.

Unfortunately, the effectiveness of that hardening is a function of the strength of the EMP pulse, power, and source distance. It appears that the EMP hardening of our military has not kept up with the advances in high power non-nuclear directed EMP when that weapon is activated at a close range.

Our forces can probably defend against a known enemy's plane, missile, or ship carrying an EMP device, before it can get close enough to be effective against the hardened warship. A neutral ship carrying an EMP device, passing two miles away in unrestricted sea lanes, is a threat that is almost impossible to counter in peacetime.

I do admit that the Post Obama Navy has serious problems, in resources, meaningful training, and leadership. I also suggest that the smart phones have become a serious threat to readyness.

A last observation, is that there is no way a virus attack, even to Microsoft operating systems, or remotely activated Chinese components, or an on-board enemy agent, could knock all those redundant systems.
 Quoting: CaptnAndy


I would suggest that the US Navy REQUIRE "Eye Exams" for all of it's sailors and officers who are "supposed" to be looking through windows or serving "visual watch" functions.

Obviously and sadly the visual abilities of US Naval Officers and Enlisted Men has declined radically since WW2.
Their ability to see through those sophisticated and "new" devices called "windows" is apparently not there so testing them on that ability must be an absolute requirement for any sailor who ever serves "topsides", or on the bridge.

Maybe we could hire some Somali Pirates to assist them ... you know seamen who have little knowledge about technology but rely almost exclusively on "eyesight" to detect other vessels.
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Re: The McCain was fully disabled and not moving when the merchant oil tanker hit it 100% proof !
If you think even more the total shutdown of the ship makes sense. Why were people still in the birthing area when a ship was going to hit the destroyer ? Because the could not make an open call on the com system ?


Another question for the former navy guys here.
Are the cam systems on a ship electronic ?

Bet they are.
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Are you Antifa, BLM, CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, all of the above???
You are spouting crap without knowing the facts, again!! And anyone that has the truth from someone that was there is dismissed because it doesn't fit into your fantasy world.

Put down the game controller, Facebook, twitter, and get out of your mom's basement. Breathing some fresh air and a little exercise might do you some good.
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So were is the quote from the someone that was there ? I am looking at the evidence that we have at our fingertips now. The photo and the print. Again why are people in the birthing area while a ship 5 times it's size is bearing down on them from a certain angle. It's not a speedboat that can change angles at the drop of a hat. The first thing I would do is make sure no one is below decks, much less sleeping in the birthing area. Remember this was the middle of the day in daylight. I can assure you I am nothing you mentioned or accused me of (BLM, antifa or any other) I am a true blue patriotic American born thinker. I see it, read it and then I assess and comment. I've done more than you have by assuming. right ?
I am commenting on the evidence at hand, you on the otherhand are assuming reading some posts on a website.cruise right?
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Maybe one of those North Korean subs did a kamikaze attack.
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that fits. that's probly it.

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"I would FIRST go after the Navy Brass for allowing a ship to even be built that was susceptible to such shenanigans!! (if they did occur)

If you build a floating rust bucket that can be remotely disabled then you are NOT a World Class Navy ... YOU ARE A WORLD CLASS FUCK UP NAVY!!"


When the effects of nuclear EMP were discovered after the high altitude last nuke test in the South Pacific, the US military started jumping through hoops to "Harden all the critical electronics from EMP effects.

Unfortunately, the effectiveness of that hardening is a function of the strength of the EMP pulse, power, and source distance. It appears that the EMP hardening of our military has not kept up with the advances in high power non-nuclear directed EMP when that weapon is activated at a close range.

Our forces can probably defend against a known enemy's plane, missile, or ship carrying an EMP device, before it can get close enough to be effective against the hardened warship. A neutral ship carrying an EMP device, passing two miles away in unrestricted sea lanes, is a threat that is almost impossible to counter in peacetime.

I do admit that the Post Obama Navy has serious problems, in resources, meaningful training, and leadership. I also suggest that the smart phones have become a serious threat to readyness.

A last observation, is that there is no way a virus attack, even to Microsoft operating systems, or remotely activated Chinese components, or an on-board enemy agent, could knock all those redundant systems.
 Quoting: CaptnAndy


I would suggest that the US Navy REQUIRE "Eye Exams" for all of it's sailors and officers who are "supposed" to be looking through windows or serving "visual watch" functions.

Obviously and sadly the visual abilities of US Naval Officers and Enlisted Men has declined radically since WW2.
Their ability to see through those sophisticated and "new" devices called "windows" is apparently not there so testing them on that ability must be an absolute requirement for any sailor who ever serves "topsides", or on the bridge.

Maybe we could hire some Somali Pirates to assist them ... you know seamen who have little knowledge about technology but rely almost exclusively on "eyesight" to detect other vessels.
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maybe remedial driving lessons too?
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Also, it does not look like the "cargo ship" had any ballast. Sitting high in the water.
Not to mention the top looks rusted like its an old injury, and not just red lead primer exposed.
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So were is the quote from the someone that was there ? I am looking at the evidence that we have at our fingertips now. The photo and the print. Again why are people in the birthing area while a ship 5 times it's size is bearing down on them from a certain angle. It's not a speedboat that can change angles at the drop of a hat. The first thing I would do is make sure no one is below decks, much less sleeping in the birthing area. Remember this was the middle of the day in daylight. I can assure you I am nothing you mentioned or accused me of (BLM, antifa or any other) I am a true blue patriotic American born thinker. I see it, read it and then I assess and comment. I've done more than you have by assuming. right ?
I am commenting on the evidence at hand, you on the otherhand are assuming reading some posts on a website.cruise right?


I have the word of a lifelong friend that was on board the USS Donald Cook during the SU-24 incident. He has since been promoted to XO of a ship currently off Japan. Firsthand knowledge versus your basement dwelling armchair quarterback knowledge.

Nothing happened, but you continue to spout crap that is false and found to have come from Russian disinformation sites. Only a flyover twice. The ship was in no danger and the SU-24 was locked on by defensive systems in passive mode.

So, you claim to be a Patriot, yet parrot the Russian propaganda. So are you a Russian sympathizer? Or a moron in mom's basement believing anything on the internet, TV, or radio? It's one or the other.
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That was weird. It didn't quote correctly.


I have the word of a lifelong friend that was on board the USS Donald Cook during the SU-24 incident. He has since been promoted to XO of a ship currently off Japan. Firsthand knowledge versus your basement dwelling armchair quarterback knowledge.

Nothing happened, but you continue to spout crap that is false and found to have come from Russian disinformation sites. Only a flyover twice. The ship was in no danger and the SU-24 was locked on by defensive systems in passive mode.

So, you claim to be a Patriot, yet parrot the Russian propaganda. So are you a Russian sympathizer? Or a moron in mom's basement believing anything on the internet, TV, or radio? It's one or the other.
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So were is the quote from the someone that was there ? I am looking at the evidence that we have at our fingertips now. The photo and the print. Again why are people in the birthing area while a ship 5 times it's size is bearing down on them from a certain angle. It's not a speedboat that can change angles at the drop of a hat. The first thing I would do is make sure no one is below decks, much less sleeping in the birthing area. Remember this was the middle of the day in daylight. I can assure you I am nothing you mentioned or accused me of (BLM, antifa or any other) I am a true blue patriotic American born thinker. I see it, read it and then I assess and comment. I've done more than you have by assuming. right ?
I am commenting on the evidence at hand, you on the otherhand are assuming reading some posts on a website.cruise right?
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I have the word of a lifelong friend that was on board the USS Donald Cook during the SU-24 incident. He has since been promoted to XO of a ship currently off Japan. Firsthand knowledge versus your basement dwelling armchair quarterback knowledge.

Nothing happened, but you continue to spout crap that is false and found to have come from Russian disinformation sites. Only a flyover twice. The ship was in no danger and the SU-24 was locked on by defensive systems in passive mode.

So, you claim to be a Patriot, yet parrot the Russian propaganda. So are you a Russian sympathizer? Or a moron in mom's basement believing anything on the internet, TV, or radio? It's one or the other.


Show me a comment in the media or anywhere else for that matter of what you say is true. Let me ask you this question. If he said anything to you about this indecent other than what he told you, would he be able to do the job he has now !

Nuff said !
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So were is the quote from the someone that was there ? I am looking at the evidence that we have at our fingertips now. The photo and the print. Again why are people in the birthing area while a ship 5 times it's size is bearing down on them from a certain angle. It's not a speedboat that can change angles at the drop of a hat. The first thing I would do is make sure no one is below decks, much less sleeping in the birthing area. Remember this was the middle of the day in daylight. I can assure you I am nothing you mentioned or accused me of (BLM, antifa or any other) I am a true blue patriotic American born thinker. I see it, read it and then I assess and comment. I've done more than you have by assuming. right ?
I am commenting on the evidence at hand, you on the otherhand are assuming reading some posts on a website.cruise right?
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I have the word of a lifelong friend that was on board the USS Donald Cook during the SU-24 incident. He has since been promoted to XO of a ship currently off Japan. Firsthand knowledge versus your basement dwelling armchair quarterback knowledge.

Nothing happened, but you continue to spout crap that is false and found to have come from Russian disinformation sites. Only a flyover twice. The ship was in no danger and the SU-24 was locked on by defensive systems in passive mode.

So, you claim to be a Patriot, yet parrot the Russian propaganda. So are you a Russian sympathizer? Or a moron in mom's basement believing anything on the internet, TV, or radio? It's one or the other.
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Show me a comment in the media or anywhere else for that matter of what you say is true. Let me ask you this question. If he said anything to you about this indecent other than what he told you, would he be able to do the job he has now !

Nuff said !

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Yes. Obviously he could tell me, it's not classified. Even a few of the sailors onboard that day gave statements to their hometown papers. Not hard to locate.

Also, our intelligence services found all information for the false story, that you keep repeating as fact, came from Russian government controlled sites.

Believe what you want, but you are part of the problem when you parrot the false information. No better than CNN.
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Yes. Obviously he could tell me, it's not classified. Even a few of the sailors onboard that day gave statements to their hometown papers. Not hard to locate.

Also, our intelligence services found all information for the false story, that you keep repeating as fact, came from Russian government controlled sites.

Believe what you want, but you are part of the problem when you parrot the false information. No better than CNN.
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Wasn't this thread about the McCain ?

You keep parroting about the Donald Cook ?

mmmmm scratching
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The Fitz was not hit by EMP as some have suggested. They saw it coming, hit the gas, and CRUNCH!
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Regardless theMcCain was a sitting duck, and why are there missing sailors? They saw this coming in broad daylight ,who are these commanding officers in charge, are they the ones who survived the Obutthole purge? That cruiser could have jumped out of the way with their gas turbine engines. Something very , very wrong is going on. huffy
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Scratch all you want. You are the one that first mentioned the USS Donald Cook with your fake CNN information. Keep spouting the Russian propaganda and I'll keep calling you out.

As you are aware, because you replied to me, I already responded regarding the two recent collisions.

OP, when you actually have facts, not crap that you keep flinging hoping some will stick ion your basement wall, then post it. Otherwise, stop doing the enemies' jobs for them. You are the problem.
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Didn't a few resign over the Cook incident?
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Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
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Didn't a few resign over the Cook incident?
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Never happened.
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Not into the EMP theory as it causes the electronics to fry and they would be unable to restart the engines. EMP is ancient technology.

Warning, space cadet thoughts. i have read stories where car engines and radios just stopped as they noted a UFO floating overhead. Once the UFO disappeared from sight, the engine restarted and the radios worked again. This is the technology that is being used, not only on Ships but also on aircraft.

It appears at this time they are only using this technology in small areas. The real problems will start when it is used on a Planetary scale. Every single aircraft in flight will instantly drop out of the sky. All Ships will be dead in the water.

The admirals know but blame the crew to cover up the truth. reminds me of the 911 omission commission would found Bin box cutter to be the mastermind of 911 the false flag.


It is always a good idea to plan ahead. Renaming all American warships, sitting duck, would be a good start.
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Didn't a few resign over the Cook incident?
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Never happened.
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It's obvious that whoever can make it happen don't have to lob a MIG at you to cause trouble.
Whose ships have not been disabled or spoofed? What if they decide to stall your car in the hammer lane one day?

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Slow is steady; steady is smooth; smooth is fast.
Success has a thousand fathers but failure only one son.
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Not into the EMP theory as it causes the electronics to fry and they would be unable to restart the engines. EMP is ancient technology.

Warning, space cadet thoughts. i have read stories where car engines and radios just stopped as they noted a UFO floating overhead. Once the UFO disappeared from sight, the engine restarted and the radios worked again. This is the technology that is being used, not only on Ships but also on aircraft.

It appears at this time they are only using this technology in small areas. The real problems will start when it is used on a Planetary scale. Every single aircraft in flight will instantly drop out of the sky. All Ships will be dead in the water.

The admirals know but blame the crew to cover up the truth. reminds me of the 911 omission commission would found Bin box cutter to be the mastermind of 911 the false flag.


It is always a good idea to plan ahead. Renaming all American warships, sitting duck, would be a good start.
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Ya move in the right direction
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how was it disabled ? China ?



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