Socialism sucks! Unless you need hurricane relief lol

So you made it clear you dont understand how single payer works. It doesnt affect the doctors or treatment at all. It only changes the accounting method

Go look it up: admin fees for single payer are 2%, theyre about 17% for private insurance

Lol industries better regulated by the govt? How about the police? Fire department? How about the public school system, should we do away with that? What about libraries?

Lol you are a fucking retard

gonna give billions to all those black and brown Houstonians.

I must have touched a nerve there... I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you snowflake.

Any time America invents a new medical device, procedure, or drug, Canada gets to use it too. We benefit from your advancements just as much as you do. So it's a moot point.

According to who? You and your imaginary stats.
Try refuting my post for once.

Your trying to claim the government will be better/more efficient at controlling a market rather than the private market. Except it has never done it before you believe it will work with healthcare.

Name calling again. Unable to refute any post in the entire thread or back anything you say with logic or reasoning and then disappearing when you lose and you resort to name calling.... again.


Pubic schools is classic example of how great the gov. is at running things. More cost and less quality.

Government run schools:
Cost: 15,000 per student/year
Quality: The government can dictate what a child does and doesn't learn and how they learn. The education system has become so degraded under government rule that students have to go through 4 years of college in an attempt to get the same education as 8th grader 100 years ago.

Homeschool:
Cost: less than 1000 per year
Quality: depending on parent, if done properly a child can be many years ahead of the government run counterpart.

And the same thing will continue to happen with healthcare.
More gov. = Higher cost and lower cost.

Thats why Obamacare is such a failure.

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Yea i dont really understand this argument. More dumb right wing fox news talking points

You literally have no idea what youre talking about. Single payer saves money because of the loss in efficiency we have due to for profit middlemen (the insurance companies).

This is BASIC SHIT YALL

And you OP have no idea how to articulate any logic response, you haven't yet done so in 5 pages of this thread. You claim its "BASIC SHIT YALL" yet are unable to back it with any logic or reasoning, only name calling, dodging questions, and magical stats that aren't a dependable source of info.

The problem with healthcare is not the for profit middleman, the main problem with healthcare is the governments complete overreach in rules/regulations of the healthcare industry which allows the profit insurance companies to make so much money. The solution is to take government out of healthcare and the cost will become so cheap people won't need health insurance. How do I know that.... because that is how it was done in America 100+ years ago before government got involved and they had the best/cheapest healthcare in the world.

I have already explained why socialized healthcare won't work..

If that is not enough for you the government run schools vs private homeschool is the perfect example of how the government completely fails at running things.


I already know the OP and anyone else will ignore my post, so answer this....
Explain where(give an example) and how(use some logic) the government is able to offer a cheaper and better product than the free market?

Unless you are dumb naggers too stupid to get out of the way and too fat and helpless to walk through knee deep water. Then you need to be rescued by the evil White men VOLUNTEERS..

It does suck and we can provide relief without becoming commie bastards

Sure: police, fire department, libraries, street cleaning, infrastructure such as highways etc

There are tons of examples lol

I already know the OP and anyone else will ignore my post, so answer this....
Explain where(give an example) and how(use some logic) the government is able to offer a cheaper and better product than the free market?



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And the reason is that if you delegate these services to private companies they will cut corners to turn a profit. This can be observed in say for example, the privatization of britains rail service

Op is a real

Never done. Yeah, maybe in Alabama.

US life expactancy is barely above Cuba.

unemployed basement dweller alert.

Lol it would never work? Its working all around the world... the fox news talking points that people go out of their way to get treated here, or die waiting for treatment in significant numbers in countries with socialized healthcare, simply can not be backed by any statistics.

45,000 people die every year in the US due to lack of affordable insurance. That is significant.

How much higher do you think our taxes should be? 80% of our yearly income? As reference could you tell me what Burger King you work at which results in you not giving a damn about taxes? Thanks.

ITT

"Guys only the government knows the right way to spend your hard earned money!"

US health care costs are the highest in the world. So much for "socialism".

America has been partially Socialist since the New Deal in the 30's. We just like to pretend we aren't.

Lol isnt it funny how people dont even realize that? And take for granted the socialist aspects of our govt, such as police and fire dept

They support these systems while simultaneously hating the ideology behind it, such idiots! Mind boggling

This is what happens when you have a forum full of middle american baby boomers who are stuck in a dated cold war propaganda ideology

Government has almost completely replaced western religion, so we're only going to get more progressively socialist all the time. People will always vote for who's giving them the most shit in this culture. I'm an Anarcho-Capitalist, but I can't deny reality/human nature.

Govt will certainly never replace industry in America. Capitalism runs deeply in our veins lol

There are certain industries where socialism just makes sense tho

Obviously things like public transportation, emergency responders, and also healthcare (though of course if you say that here you get met with fox news talking points with no data to back the claims)

Libertarianism is basically anarchism, which is a leftist ideology.

All great civilisations have laws and government, only retarded third world countries and libertarians don't

Bit of a difference between disaster relief and socialism as a government standard. For the long haul, socialism only benefits the lowest rung of the ladder. Only the truly uninspired would request it. And the monumentally lazy fight for it. What kind of slug would want a limit or regulation put on their own earning potential? The kind of slug that knows he is a slug.