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the “Baker Act” a law that enables authorities to institutionalize persons who present a danger to themselves or others NOW INVOKED IN FLORIDA

 
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With the outer edge of the storm approaching Friday, these officials — backed by a psychiatrist and observed by an Associated Press team — rolled through chillingly empty downtown streets as dawn broke over Biscayne Bay, searching for reluctant stragglers sleeping in waterfront parks.

“We’re going out and every single homeless person who is unwilling to come off the street, we are likely going to involuntarily Baker Act them,” said Ron Book, chairman of the Miami-Dade Homeless Trust.

Invoking the “Baker Act” — a law that enables authorities to institutionalize patients who present a danger to themselves or others — is not something law enforcement does lightly, but officers detained at least six people by Friday afternoon. Under the law, they can be held up to 72 hours before the state would have to go to court to prolong their detention.
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Why not let these people deal directly with the Law of Nature and any judgement that follows?
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This is disturbing. Once you decide it is OK to judge other people's decisions like this the applications are endless. The same logic could be applied to things like vaccines, educational decisions, and off-grid living.
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Re: the “Baker Act” a law that enables authorities to institutionalize persons who present a danger to themselves or others NOW INVOKED IN FLORIDA
During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
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During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
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AS much is spent on the war machine hearing this shows the times we live in
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During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
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Yes this.

I'm not sure where I stand on this entire issue. Families should try to take care of their own but I understand that they often reach the end of their rope.
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Re: the “Baker Act” a law that enables authorities to institutionalize persons who present a danger to themselves or others NOW INVOKED IN FLORIDA
During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
 Quoting: TheOracle'sCookie


I lived in Houston throughout the 80s, and I remember when they emptied out the mental institutions resulting in the then-new phenomenon of homeless people in Houston and other cities in Texas.

I lived near hwy. 59 and Buffalo Speedway, and a few of them set up home there under the freeway, one a woman. At the time it was shocking.

I imagine it's much worse now because there are even more crazy people and even less help for them.
Peepaws
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If the homeless want to tempt fate, and have fun in a cat 5 hurriane, we should totally allow them!

It's cruel to force them to safety, although death for them is certain if they're left outside the shelter.
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Re: the “Baker Act” a law that enables authorities to institutionalize persons who present a danger to themselves or others NOW INVOKED IN FLORIDA
It'd be easy to classify

many as 'dangerous'

drevil


hope the state is happy

to pay 75k/year/inmate

cry
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Why not let these people deal directly with the Law of Nature and any judgement that follows?
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Cause control freaks they gotta save everyone .... its how the authoritarian brian fires
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Re: the “Baker Act” a law that enables authorities to institutionalize persons who present a danger to themselves or others NOW INVOKED IN FLORIDA
During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
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AS much is spent on the war machine hearing this shows the times we live in
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The entire HHS budget is 1/10th the military budget.

The war machine created the majority of those people in one way or another.
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It'd be easy to classify

many as 'dangerous'

drevil


hope the state is happy

to pay 75k/year/inmate

cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69972183


considering Trump & Sessions relationships with the private prison industry

and considering that it is paid with tax dollars

they are more than happy
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It has always been that way from where I am.
If they are renters,drifter, home owners or not, if they go into public, or onto others peoples property and act dangerous to them selves or others they detain them.
They upon evaluation will be transported to the nearest mental health facility to be treated and kept from harming their selves or others.
That is standard detainment actions.
The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds.
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This law applies to all liberals and Neocons! No hurricane required! Oh, the irony!
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It'd be easy to classify

many as 'dangerous'

drevil


hope the state is happy

to pay 75k/year/inmate

cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69972183


considering Trump & Sessions relationships with the private prison industry

and considering that it is paid with tax dollars

they are more than happy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75503664


Usually the correct answer
is counter intuitive...

And the easiest
first considered option is
the most costliest
in the long term
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Why not let these people deal directly with the Law of Nature and any judgement that follows?
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"The AI algorithm has determined your life will be in danger if you stay here. Please submit to relocation or else a mental health check."

Your robot overlords AKA 'protectors' have deemed this action necessary.
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It'd be easy to classify

many as 'dangerous'

drevil


hope the state is happy

to pay 75k/year/inmate

cry
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69972183


considering Trump & Sessions relationships with the private prison industry

and considering that it is paid with tax dollars

they are more than happy
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75503664


Usually the correct answer
is counter intuitive...

And the easiest
first considered option is
the most costliest
in the long term
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1st rule of government kick back club: always go with the costliest option

you don't get $20,000,000,000,000 in debt by giving a shit about other people's future
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This is disturbing. Once you decide it is OK to judge other people's decisions like this the applications are endless. The same logic could be applied to things like vaccines, educational decisions, and off-grid living.
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LOL
if you have a family member or friend with chronic mental illness,you are familiar w/this routine as all it is is a 72 hour hold, the person IS NOT dragged into a court room or hearing room-the chart and the legal aid loiyuuh is UNLESS the judge wants them there,which is rare/this ain't hollywood--and a decision gets made and most get tossed back out to the street WITHOUT EVER GETTING A HEARING TO BEGIN WITH in that time frame of a 72 hour or 96 hour hold.
the facilities know the law, most that have a family member with a chronic mental illness know the law AND some places even have the law POSTED PROMINENTLY regarding a 72 hour hold or a 96 hour hold
so those loitering outdoors get warned and either move on to shelter or will be deemed incompetent and off the streets that way.
so NOTE WELL that the esteemed city state leaves them alone to enjoy the right to live like animals, be exploited and abused and sometimes harm others in normal circumstances,but in a state of emergency will haul them in.

regarding vaccinations, we have the WONDERFUL WORLD OF CPS ,where your children are abducted by the state and on average are held while CPS investigates for more than SIX MONTHS IN THE CARE OF STRANGERS and if not aware of your most basic rights from habeus corpus,HOW TO FILE x.y and z- etc YOU WILL SUFFER IMMENSELY.
BS with off grid living usually involves CPS to get you,so if there's no kids,they have no authentic case to pursue and make money from.
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The deficit
is/was on a roller coaster
ride to recovery

trump-MFs
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If States decide to use
public funds

at least portion
some
for the liesure economy


perhaps wind power
sail boating, croc hunting
etc
could become a thing

tomato
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With the outer edge of the storm approaching Friday, these officials — backed by a psychiatrist and observed by an Associated Press team — rolled through chillingly empty downtown streets as dawn broke over Biscayne Bay, searching for reluctant stragglers sleeping in waterfront parks.

“We’re going out and every single homeless person who is unwilling to come off the street, we are likely going to involuntarily Baker Act them,” said Ron Book, chairman of the Miami-Dade Homeless Trust.

Invoking the “Baker Act” — a law that enables authorities to institutionalize patients who present a danger to themselves or others — is not something law enforcement does lightly, but officers detained at least six people by Friday afternoon. Under the law, they can be held up to 72 hours before the state would have to go to court to prolong their detention.
[link to apnews.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Goneviral


During the Reagan years they emptied all the state
"institutions" to place many mentally ill people on the
streets or in substandard 1/2 way houses. Other folks
are just people who have for one reason or another "fallen
through the cracks" where no aide is available to them.

Now, these same people are probably the ones who are
left as "stragglers" and homeless without the ability
to look after their own safety as a hurricane comes in.

It seems odd that they are willing to give a 72 hour
"institutionalization"--just until the storm passes
--then just yo dump them back on the streets...or more
than likely given a bus ticket to go to another state!

A strange system of standards in this country, it seems.

verysad

Interesting report, OP.

cheers
O'sCookie
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a lot can happen in 3 days
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Why not let these people deal directly with the Law of Nature and any judgement that follows?
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free body organs.

they can gather up the homeless "legally" and use them for spare parts now.






GLP